IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook

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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#41 » by NBAFan93 » Sun Oct 6, 2019 9:49 pm

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SecondTake wrote:Last season he was injured and battling mental issues with his shooting. He says he's going to be ready this season. With a cast like the rockets and no injury he should be closer to his MVP form

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If statistics say guys like Terrance Ferguson and Jerami grant are good three point shooters, that’s a reason to not always trust statistics. Those guys are on the court for their defense, not their offense.

They aren’t high volume but you can’t really argue with shooting percentages. It’s like arguing against the final score of a game. The numbers are a reflection of what happened. Just like russ jacking up 5-6 3 pointers a game shows he’s not a good shooter. Grant and Ferguson both attempted just under 300 three pointers last year. It’s not being reasonable to blame OKCs shooting struggles on them. Westbrook is the one consistently poor shooter.


How much you want to bet the Jerami Grant barely every shoots 3’s on the Nuggets this season - he’s gonna he in the paint dunking and catching lobs... He can shoot a completely open 3 at a normal clip, but he’s not a shooter. Ferguson is barely better than Roberson when it comes to shooting.
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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#42 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Oct 6, 2019 9:59 pm

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If statistics say guys like Terrance Ferguson and Jerami grant are good three point shooters, that’s a reason to not always trust statistics. Those guys are on the court for their defense, not their offense.

They aren’t high volume but you can’t really argue with shooting percentages. It’s like arguing against the final score of a game. The numbers are a reflection of what happened. Just like russ jacking up 5-6 3 pointers a game shows he’s not a good shooter. Grant and Ferguson both attempted just under 300 three pointers last year. It’s not being reasonable to blame OKCs shooting struggles on them. Westbrook is the one consistently poor shooter.


How much you want to bet the Jerami Grant barely every shoots 3’s on the Nuggets this season - he’s gonna he in the paint dunking and catching lobs... He can shoot a completely open 3 at a normal clip, but he’s not a shooter. Ferguson is barely better than Roberson when it comes to shooting.


You may be right but even if grant doesn’t shoot threes, what does that prove in regard to okcs offensive issues last season? I’m not saying grant is steph curry but he was asked to be a stretch four for okc and hit open threes. He did so very effectively on a decent volume. The spacing issues weren’t because of Grant and Ferguson.

Russ has one of the worse volume shooting three point seasons ever. Teams ignored him in the playoffs the last two years and it worked. There isn’t a reason to think it will be significantly different this year with PJ tucker shooting instead of grant or Harden shooting instead of George. Houston has a center in like Adams in Capela. They have more weapons than okc, no doubt. However if russ shoots 6 threes a game, who he is taking them away from? Eric Gordon? You can win with a point guard with russ’ limitations physically. I firmly believe that. But you can’t win when that player won’t mentally acknowledge them and adjust his game accordingly.
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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#43 » by SecondTake » Sun Oct 6, 2019 10:53 pm

Russ was decent from three his MVP season. He said he's going to fix his three so you should expect it fixed this season. Last offseason he was hurt and just had a kid.
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ThunderBolt wrote:They aren’t high volume but you can’t really argue with shooting percentages. It’s like arguing against the final score of a game. The numbers are a reflection of what happened. Just like russ jacking up 5-6 3 pointers a game shows he’s not a good shooter. Grant and Ferguson both attempted just under 300 three pointers last year. It’s not being reasonable to blame OKCs shooting struggles on them. Westbrook is the one consistently poor shooter.


How much you want to bet the Jerami Grant barely every shoots 3’s on the Nuggets this season - he’s gonna he in the paint dunking and catching lobs... He can shoot a completely open 3 at a normal clip, but he’s not a shooter. Ferguson is barely better than Roberson when it comes to shooting.


You may be right but even if grant doesn’t shoot threes, what does that prove in regard to okcs offensive issues last season? I’m not saying grant is steph curry but he was asked to be a stretch four for okc and hit open threes. He did so very effectively on a decent volume. The spacing issues weren’t because of Grant and Ferguson.

Russ has one of the worse volume shooting three point seasons ever. Teams ignored him in the playoffs the last two years and it worked. There isn’t a reason to think it will be significantly different this year with PJ tucker shooting instead of grant or Harden shooting instead of George. Houston has a center in like Adams in Capela. They have more weapons than okc, no doubt. However if russ shoots 6 threes a game, who he is taking them away from? Eric Gordon? You can win with a point guard with russ’ limitations physically. I firmly believe that. But you can’t win when that player won’t mentally acknowledge them and adjust his game accordingly.


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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#44 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Sun Oct 6, 2019 10:58 pm

Why didn't OKC look to deal Westbrook in that deal as well?
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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#45 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Oct 6, 2019 11:04 pm

SecondTake wrote:Russ was decent from three his MVP season. He said he's going to fix his three so you should expect it fixed this season. Last offseason he was hurt and just had a kid.
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How much you want to bet the Jerami Grant barely every shoots 3’s on the Nuggets this season - he’s gonna he in the paint dunking and catching lobs... He can shoot a completely open 3 at a normal clip, but he’s not a shooter. Ferguson is barely better than Roberson when it comes to shooting.


You may be right but even if grant doesn’t shoot threes, what does that prove in regard to okcs offensive issues last season? I’m not saying grant is steph curry but he was asked to be a stretch four for okc and hit open threes. He did so very effectively on a decent volume. The spacing issues weren’t because of Grant and Ferguson.

Russ has one of the worse volume shooting three point seasons ever. Teams ignored him in the playoffs the last two years and it worked. There isn’t a reason to think it will be significantly different this year with PJ tucker shooting instead of grant or Harden shooting instead of George. Houston has a center in like Adams in Capela. They have more weapons than okc, no doubt. However if russ shoots 6 threes a game, who he is taking them away from? Eric Gordon? You can win with a point guard with russ’ limitations physically. I firmly believe that. But you can’t win when that player won’t mentally acknowledge them and adjust his game accordingly.


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You are embarrassing yourself.
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Re: IF the Thunder kept PG/Westbrook 

Post#46 » by NBAFan93 » Sun Oct 6, 2019 11:06 pm

SecondTake wrote:Russ was decent from three his MVP season. He said he's going to fix his three so you should expect it fixed this season. Last offseason he was hurt and just had a kid.
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How much you want to bet the Jerami Grant barely every shoots 3’s on the Nuggets this season - he’s gonna he in the paint dunking and catching lobs... He can shoot a completely open 3 at a normal clip, but he’s not a shooter. Ferguson is barely better than Roberson when it comes to shooting.


You may be right but even if grant doesn’t shoot threes, what does that prove in regard to okcs offensive issues last season? I’m not saying grant is steph curry but he was asked to be a stretch four for okc and hit open threes. He did so very effectively on a decent volume. The spacing issues weren’t because of Grant and Ferguson.

Russ has one of the worse volume shooting three point seasons ever. Teams ignored him in the playoffs the last two years and it worked. There isn’t a reason to think it will be significantly different this year with PJ tucker shooting instead of grant or Harden shooting instead of George. Houston has a center in like Adams in Capela. They have more weapons than okc, no doubt. However if russ shoots 6 threes a game, who he is taking them away from? Eric Gordon? You can win with a point guard with russ’ limitations physically. I firmly believe that. But you can’t win when that player won’t mentally acknowledge them and adjust his game accordingly.


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He was also decent from 3 after the all star break. Take out the first half of the season and all his %ages look much better except for his FTs. And then his FT got better in the playoffs. Where he stunk in the playoffs was mostly from 2.

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