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Re: Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at San Antonio Spurs (0-0) 

Post#461 » by fendilim » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:03 am

pepe1991 wrote:Stop with this crappy Pistons comparisons. Pistons won ring 15 years ago.

First of all let's say one fact- after they won championship Stern urged to put last nail in the handchacking coffin and make defense inferior part of a basketball.

Pistons won championship but they were so damn ugly to watch that it was impossible to root for them if you are not from Detroit and over a top basketball fan.
Just look at this box scores vs Nets

game 1: Nets 56- Pistons 78
And no, this is not halftime result, it's actual basketball team in 2004 scoring 56 points in 48 min , while shooting 19/70 from the field.

Game 2 Nets 80- Pistons 95, while Nets shot 3-15 from 3

Game 3 Nets 64- Pistons 92, Nets shot 0-10 for 3 and 22/76 from the field

Since ratings were apsolute $***t from what i could find, Stern made decision to make league more casual fans friendly and it started offensive revolution.

Today you simply WON'T win championship without superstars because pace and shooting exposes less talented teams more.


Just for comparison, in 2004 nba teams made,at average 5,8 threes a game. In 2019 Steph Curry and Klay made 8,9 threes a game.

i think you're downplaying that pistons team. they had a bunch of allstars and ben wallace, an hof finalist, was at the peak of his career. that pistons team was downright ugly to watch if you want offense but they were the epitome of a successful all defensive team.
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at San Antonio Spurs (0-0) 

Post#462 » by pepe1991 » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:30 am

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pepe1991 wrote:Stop with this crappy Pistons comparisons. Pistons won ring 15 years ago.

First of all let's say one fact- after they won championship Stern urged to put last nail in the handchacking coffin and make defense inferior part of a basketball.

Pistons won championship but they were so damn ugly to watch that it was impossible to root for them if you are not from Detroit and over a top basketball fan.
Just look at this box scores vs Nets

game 1: Nets 56- Pistons 78
And no, this is not halftime result, it's actual basketball team in 2004 scoring 56 points in 48 min , while shooting 19/70 from the field.

Game 2 Nets 80- Pistons 95, while Nets shot 3-15 from 3

Game 3 Nets 64- Pistons 92, Nets shot 0-10 for 3 and 22/76 from the field

Since ratings were apsolute $***t from what i could find, Stern made decision to make league more casual fans friendly and it started offensive revolution.

Today you simply WON'T win championship without superstars because pace and shooting exposes less talented teams more.


Just for comparison, in 2004 nba teams made,at average 5,8 threes a game. In 2019 Steph Curry and Klay made 8,9 threes a game.

i think you're downplaying that pistons team. they had a bunch of allstars and ben wallace, an hof finalist, was at the peak of his career. that pistons team was downright ugly to watch if you want offense but they were the epitome of a successful all defensive team.


I didn't say anything about their quality, rather circumstances how they won and how league was nothing like it is today.
They had talent, but they beat Lakers mostly because things that happend inside Lakers lockeroom, as both Shaq and Jackson walked after it.
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at San Antonio Spurs (0-0) 

Post#463 » by basketballRob » Mon Oct 7, 2019 8:55 am

fendilim wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Stop with this crappy Pistons comparisons. Pistons won ring 15 years ago.

First of all let's say one fact- after they won championship Stern urged to put last nail in the handchacking coffin and make defense inferior part of a basketball.

Pistons won championship but they were so damn ugly to watch that it was impossible to root for them if you are not from Detroit and over a top basketball fan.
Just look at this box scores vs Nets

game 1: Nets 56- Pistons 78
And no, this is not halftime result, it's actual basketball team in 2004 scoring 56 points in 48 min , while shooting 19/70 from the field.

Game 2 Nets 80- Pistons 95, while Nets shot 3-15 from 3

Game 3 Nets 64- Pistons 92, Nets shot 0-10 for 3 and 22/76 from the field

Since ratings were apsolute $***t from what i could find, Stern made decision to make league more casual fans friendly and it started offensive revolution.

Today you simply WON'T win championship without superstars because pace and shooting exposes less talented teams more.


Just for comparison, in 2004 nba teams made,at average 5,8 threes a game. In 2019 Steph Curry and Klay made 8,9 threes a game.

i think you're downplaying that pistons team. they had a bunch of allstars and ben wallace, an hof finalist, was at the peak of his career. that pistons team was downright ugly to watch if you want offense but they were the epitome of a successful all defensive team.
At the time they won the championship against the Lakers, I'm not sure any of them were in the allstar game that year.

We don't know what the future holds for this team. We probably have allstars and possibly all defensive players on this team.

I also disagree that they were ugly to watch. They won with defense but they were pretty efficient on offense too.


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Re: Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at San Antonio Spurs (0-0) 

Post#464 » by pepe1991 » Mon Oct 7, 2019 9:43 am

basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Stop with this crappy Pistons comparisons. Pistons won ring 15 years ago.

First of all let's say one fact- after they won championship Stern urged to put last nail in the handchacking coffin and make defense inferior part of a basketball.

Pistons won championship but they were so damn ugly to watch that it was impossible to root for them if you are not from Detroit and over a top basketball fan.
Just look at this box scores vs Nets

game 1: Nets 56- Pistons 78
And no, this is not halftime result, it's actual basketball team in 2004 scoring 56 points in 48 min , while shooting 19/70 from the field.

Game 2 Nets 80- Pistons 95, while Nets shot 3-15 from 3

Game 3 Nets 64- Pistons 92, Nets shot 0-10 for 3 and 22/76 from the field

Since ratings were apsolute $***t from what i could find, Stern made decision to make league more casual fans friendly and it started offensive revolution.

Today you simply WON'T win championship without superstars because pace and shooting exposes less talented teams more.


Just for comparison, in 2004 nba teams made,at average 5,8 threes a game. In 2019 Steph Curry and Klay made 8,9 threes a game.

i think you're downplaying that pistons team. they had a bunch of allstars and ben wallace, an hof finalist, was at the peak of his career. that pistons team was downright ugly to watch if you want offense but they were the epitome of a successful all defensive team.
At the time they won the championship against the Lakers, I'm not sure any of them were in the allstar game that year.

We don't know what the future holds for this team. We probably have allstars and possibly all defensive players on this team.

I also disagree that they were ugly to watch. They won with defense but they were pretty efficient on offense too.


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Great point about 2004 allstar game, they only had 1 allstar -Ben Wallace

And on Sophomore roster they had Prince.

That's not all Ben was also only played named into all nba teams ( all nba second team ) , he also didn't won DPOY that year,and nobody but him was voted into all nba defensive teams either.

As for being ugly to watch, they struggled to score 80 points on lot of nights ( 18times scored less that year) and they strangled opponents ( 11 times in regular season opponents didn't even score 70 ).

My point wasn't about their beauty of play or being or not being allstars, but that league changed since. 15 years passed by, league is way more "casual fans" frinedly, with lot of points and with manufacture of "stars" based on usage rate, pace, 3 ball and volumen of shots more than probably ever in history of basketball.
I mean 70 players averaged 15 ppg , in 2004 - 44.

That's 26 players more that put up that number.
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Post#465 » by Bensational » Mon Oct 7, 2019 11:04 am

I'm not concerned about trying to define the future of the team just yet. For me, this season is another 'evaluation season', but more of a fun one.

WeHam have already identified what works for us presently. We know what we're getting from Vuc, Ross and Cliff's coaching. We know that is good enough to get us in the playoff conversation.

Now we get to evaluate our emerging talent. AG looks ready for a larger role - we'll get to see how much larger he can handle. Isaac looks like he's learned how to defend wings at an even higher level, and has some new confidence in his offense. Fultz is here. Bamba looks to be understanding the game a bit better.

Despite any criticisms I've aired of management, this is the most exciting season in forever. The championship path may not be clear yet, but we're poised to be competitive, and we've got the development of plenty of youth to track, too. Buckle up people, this is going to be a good season!
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Post#466 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Oct 7, 2019 1:00 pm

Last reg. season, we scored 125 or more only 4 times.
I'm happy with the output, while understanding the circumstances.
Some of the line ups over the last few years couldn't put up 100 on their best day.
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Post#467 » by Def Swami » Mon Oct 7, 2019 1:47 pm

Bensational wrote:I'm not concerned about trying to define the future of the team just yet. For me, this season is another 'evaluation season', but more of a fun one.

WeHam have already identified what works for us presently. We know what we're getting from Vuc, Ross and Cliff's coaching. We know that is good enough to get us in the playoff conversation.

Now we get to evaluate our emerging talent. AG looks ready for a larger role - we'll get to see how much larger he can handle. Isaac looks like he's learned how to defend wings at an even higher level, and has some new confidence in his offense. Fultz is here. Bamba looks to be understanding the game a bit better.

Despite any criticisms I've aired of management, this is the most exciting season in forever. The championship path may not be clear yet, but we're poised to be competitive, and we've got the development of plenty of youth to track, too. Buckle up people, this is going to be a good season!

Cannot agree with this more. Even the last Dwight Howard season was kind of unbearable given his antics and impending free agency that just hung over the whole season.

This team is genuinely fun with some high upside, high character players. Lord knows I've been super critical of the front office, but we will have a fun, competitive team with room for improvement.

I've said this before on here, championships are not the end all be all for me. I watch the game for reasons beyond that. I admire teams that set themselves up to be good for years and years and are always in the mix. I hope the Magic can develop what the Blazers, Raptors, Jazz, Nuggets have established. I always wanted that for the Dwight Howard-led Magic until he cratered the franchise.

People often say the middle of the pack is the worst place to be in the NBA. But after actually experiencing it for the first time in the franchise's history over the last 7 seasons, I'm pretty sure the bottom feeders is worse. The teams like the Suns, Kings, Knicks, and Wolves who haven't seen the playoffs in almost a decade (despite some good players passing through) is just an endless abyss of incompetence. Without some real luck and great management, it's really hard to pull a team out of that chaos and anarchy.

Steve Clifford is probably the best decision the front office made. Every coach talks about it, but Clifford was the only one to establish a culture of discipline and responsibility and unselfishness on the court. There's an actual professionalism and respect that the Magic finally have around the league that they never had under the previous regime. You can see it in the way guys like Woj and Lowe cover the Magic now. There are definitely front offices who garner that respect, like the Pacers, Celtics, Jazz, Heat, and Spurs for example. They hold everyone in their organization accountable and take their jobs seriously. And then there's the opposite end of the spectrum - the Kings, Suns, Wolves - the same teams that can never escape the sellers of the NBA and cycle through GM's and coaches every other season.

So I've taken issue with roster construction with the front office. But, I can't deny they put together a playoff team with multiple young players and upside and there's a newfound energy and respect around the franchise.
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Post#468 » by Knightro » Mon Oct 7, 2019 1:48 pm

Bensational wrote:I'm not concerned about trying to define the future of the team just yet. For me, this season is another 'evaluation season', but more of a fun one.

WeHam have already identified what works for us presently. We know what we're getting from Vuc, Ross and Cliff's coaching. We know that is good enough to get us in the playoff conversation.

Now we get to evaluate our emerging talent. AG looks ready for a larger role - we'll get to see how much larger he can handle. Isaac looks like he's learned how to defend wings at an even higher level, and has some new confidence in his offense. Fultz is here. Bamba looks to be understanding the game a bit better.

Despite any criticisms I've aired of management, this is the most exciting season in forever. The championship path may not be clear yet, but we're poised to be competitive, and we've got the development of plenty of youth to track, too. Buckle up people, this is going to be a good season!


I agree with this.

We know wholeheartedly that the Magic can have success playing "Clifford Ball". They have the personnel to pull off exactly what he preaches - tough defense, low turnovers, great on the glass, defend without fouling, limit the oppositions easy points in every way possible.

What makes this season more exciting than last year is the Magic have three young guys in Isaac, Bamba and Fultz who all *COULD* provide things that the team didn't have last year.

It's a very good thing to have a playoff team that also has three guys aged 21-22 who are all going to get consistent minutes and don't have a defined ceiling to their games yet.

Throw in any improvements you get from Gordon and a bounce back shooting season from Fournier and baby you got a stew going!
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Post#469 » by jezzerinho » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:47 pm

There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.
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Post#470 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:11 pm

jezzerinho wrote:There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.


What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse
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Post#471 » by tiderulz » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:31 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.


What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse

who did the Nets lose though? Russell? traded for Irving. Even with Durant out, a Nets team with that swap is better than it was last year.
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Post#472 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:38 pm

tiderulz wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.


What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse

who did the Nets lose though? Russell? traded for Irving. Even with Durant out, a Nets team with that swap is better than it was last year.

Not that much better.
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Post#473 » by tiderulz » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:44 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse

who did the Nets lose though? Russell? traded for Irving. Even with Durant out, a Nets team with that swap is better than it was last year.

Not that much better.

depends on where you see the gap between Irving and Russell
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Post#474 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:53 pm

tiderulz wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
tiderulz wrote:who did the Nets lose though? Russell? traded for Irving. Even with Durant out, a Nets team with that swap is better than it was last year.

Not that much better.

depends on where you see the gap between Irving and Russell

That's what I'm saying. I don't think the difference between the 2 is that large.
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Post#475 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:59 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:Not that much better.

depends on where you see the gap between Irving and Russell

That's what I'm saying. I don't think the difference between the 2 is that large.


I'd even argue Russell was better than Irving of last year.
Irving is going to come in and be ball dominant, which I think will take a while for Dinwiddie and LaVert to get accustom to. Their PF is a big hole.
They added DeAndre Jordan, not sure how he and Allen are going to split the center position.
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Post#476 » by GelbeWand09 » Mon Oct 7, 2019 7:07 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
tiderulz wrote:depends on where you see the gap between Irving and Russell

That's what I'm saying. I don't think the difference between the 2 is that large.


I'd even argue Russell was better than Irving of last year.
Irving is going to come in and be ball dominant, which I think will take a while for Dinwiddie and LaVert to get accustom to. Their PF is a big hole.
They added DeAndre Jordan, not sure how he and Allen are going to split the center position.


I don't think he is better, but Russell played 82 games. I doubt Irving even plays 70 games next season. Chicago i think is better and underrated. They added Satoransky & Young + a healthy Markkannen. I think they can play for the 8-7th seed if they get anything out there PG rotation.
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Post#477 » by jezzerinho » Mon Oct 7, 2019 8:00 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.


What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse


Well you've just named 5 similar or better teams. ORL finished behind 4 of them and also behind the Nets and Toronto, neither of whom I think are gimmes to finish ahead of. There might well be a disappointing team in there, but there'll equally likely be a surprise team like we were.
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Post#478 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Oct 7, 2019 8:21 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:There's nothing wrong with a bit of excitement, when Magic fans have had little to be excited about for years.

But I'd be reticent about believing strongly the team can improve on last year, in terms of League standings and playoff results. I think ORL can improve quite a bit as a roster and will have a year of Clifford ball under their belts.

But the rise of a lot of teams in the East, the reality that ORL was incredibly lucky with injury and helped by schedule, the degree to which the offence ran through Vooch.... It could be that the Magic has to improve a fair bit just to keep pace with last year. I don't believe all the little incremental improvements will yield pro rata improvements in league position. That's just pro sport.


What "rise of a lot of teams in the East"?

I'd argue the only team that REALLY got better in the East is INDY, and maybe DET.
MIL, PHI and BOS are still better, But:
MIAMI is the same, just switched Butler for Josh and Dragic is a year older.
CHA got worse
Nets are still a year out with no KD this year
ATL? a year or 2 away still
NYK? same thing
WAS is worse
CAVS are a mess
TOR got worse


Well you've just named 5 similar or better teams. ORL finished behind 4 of them and also behind the Nets and Toronto, neither of whom I think are gimmes to finish ahead of. There might well be a disappointing team in there, but there'll equally likely be a surprise team like we were.

you said "RISE", none of those teams are rising, i.e. moving up. By rise, I thought you meant teams that finished behind us.
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Post#479 » by Max Power » Mon Oct 7, 2019 9:01 pm

I think this is going to be a good year also. I think we’re definitely still a playoff team, but by no means automatic. The team still needs to put the work in to improve like last year. An injury or two or a lapse in focus by the young guys can take this thing off the rails quickly.

I think this team can be a top 5 seed. Indians not having Victor for a good stretch may give the Magic the opportunity to sneak in there. I’m not sold on Toronto without Kawhi just yet and Brooklyn’s leader right now is Kyrie, and I don’t think that guy is a good leader at all. They’ll be ok, not great until KD comes back. All that presents an opportunity for the Magic to be that team the Pacers have been lately. A solid top 5 team nobody wants in the playoffs. With the young guys improvements and the depth the Magic have, it could happen. Don’t discount Aminu’s Impact on this team either.
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at San Antonio Spurs (0-0) 

Post#480 » by jezzerinho » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:17 pm

Max Power wrote:I think this is going to be a good year also. I think we’re definitely still a playoff team, but by no means automatic. The team still needs to put the work in to improve like last year. An injury or two or a lapse in focus by the young guys can take this thing off the rails quickly.

I think this team can be a top 5 seed. Indians not having Victor for a good stretch may give the Magic the opportunity to sneak in there. I’m not sold on Toronto without Kawhi just yet and Brooklyn’s leader right now is Kyrie, and I don’t think that guy is a good leader at all. They’ll be ok, not great until KD comes back. All that presents an opportunity for the Magic to be that team the Pacers have been lately. A solid top 5 team nobody wants in the playoffs. With the young guys improvements and the depth the Magic have, it could happen. Don’t discount Aminu’s Impact on this team either.


All entirely plausible. Don't disagree. Or we might have to improve just to stand still.

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