China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[UcanUwill]

What a pathetic move. So trigger over one guy, like they didnt know people had those views about them in west, what a shocker that must have been to them, clowns. Not as bad as Phillipines banning a guy over criticizing Pacmans basketball skills, but still pathetic.

[JellosJigglin]

It's a LOT more than a shame imo. It proves that all their other progressive social justice stuff is just posturing, it is absolutely meaningless if they don't back it up in practice. Any time Adam Silver or an NBA exec opens their mouth about social justice they should be booed into silence. Complete hypocrites.

Every corporation world wide is a sell out, LOL. Shouldn't really come as a surprise all of a sudden to anyone.

Remember Nike giving Kaepernick an extension and people praising them for being "Woke", etc...? They extended Kaepernick because they felt that associating with him would help them sell more shoes/apparel to their target demographic. All the same while, they donated more money to Republican candidates for public office than they did Democrats, because they're a big corporation looking for tax breaks. Nike played both sides of the coin.

If the NBA and other corporations were really that big about freedom/democracy/liberties/social justice, they never would've made any inroads to places like China/middle east to begin with. The fact that they did indicates they're just another corporation whose primary objective is to collect as much money as they can from anywhere they can get it from.

What's wrong with working for money?

[dc]

What's wrong with working for money?

Nothing, really. But people shouldn't be regarding a corporation like the NBA as some kind of social vanguard. They're not.

[LofJ]

I understand not wanting a business partner to make negative comments about your conduct, but nonetheless China needs to get real.

Morey should not have spoken about Hong Kong because of who he works for, but regardless he is an American citizen and he has the right to say whatever he wants. The NBA should probably discipline him, but hell no to firing him or even worse blackballing him. He doesn't deserve that and it runs counter to the values that America and by extension the NBA should stand up for.

[levon]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

[sikma42]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

I dont think this falls into whataboutism. This issue now directly effects the NBA. If they weren't knowledgable about it, they should become knowledgable about it. Someone will ask them about it, and we will see what they say...

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[HeatRing2012]

What's wrong with working for money?

Nothing, really. But people shouldn't be regarding a corporation like the NBA as some kind of social vanguard. They're not.

yet the NBA seizes the mantle of a progressive organisation fighting for the (formerly) oppressed.

if you are openly anti-slave and anti-patriarchal you should be anti-holocaust as well (see Uyghurs).

I'm kinda shocked people in here are defending the communist party. seems the democracy really is dead.

[DetroitPistons]

These guys never learn. Keep politics and sports separate

Also way too complex of a rabbit hole for Morey to be digging into & trying to make waves in. Some of these guys just don't get it

Not saying Morey CAN'T have an opinion on this stuff but celebrities and athletes SHOULD stop trying to be virtue signalling politicians.

Daryl Morey should just shut up and dribble.

[KqWIN]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

Agreed. The things that NBA players often stand up are literally things that have effected their personal lives and are still affecting their communities. It's completely unreasonable to expect everyone to be "woke" about everything.

I can see how you would put a higher standard on a large organizations, but as far as individuals, this expectation is childish.

[Hornet Mania]

It's a LOT more than a shame imo. It proves that all their other progressive social justice stuff is just posturing, it is absolutely meaningless if they don't back it up in practice. Any time Adam Silver or an NBA exec opens their mouth about social justice they should be booed into silence. Complete hypocrites.

Every corporation world wide is a sell out, LOL. Shouldn't really come as a surprise all of a sudden to anyone.

Remember Nike giving Kaepernick an extension and people praising them for being "Woke", etc...? They extended Kaepernick because they felt that associating with him would help them sell more shoes/apparel to their target demographic. All the same while, they donated more money to Republican candidates for public office than they did Democrats, because they're a big corporation looking for tax breaks. Nike played both sides of the coin.

If the NBA and other corporations were really that big about freedom/democracy/liberties/social justice, they never would've made any inroads to places like China/middle east to begin with. The fact that they did indicates they're just another corporation whose primary objective is to collect as much money as they can from anywhere they can get it from.

Oh, I completely agree. All I'm saying is that people should absolutely not take these corporations seriously when they make a big show about fighting for justice. This is a great moment to hammer home that point so that no one gets caught up in the back-slapping next time the league office tries to prove it really genuinely cares about the greater good.

[foreigngrammar]

This sucks. I was really looking forward to this game.

Is this sarcasm?

Guess what!?

Anyway... **** China!
I hope one day all cultures and people will be on a same page. Dreaming on...

Like one said, sports and politics are two seperate things.

[SK21209]

The China-Hong Kong issue is not the hill I'm dying on because it's completely **** and finally shedding light on the nature of Xi's regime but I am starting to become very uncomfortable with this new trend of expecting/pressuring corporations to take stands on social/non-economic political issues. That is not a path this country needs to go down.

[TheDoors24]

The NBA doesn't care about the fans in china and probably neither do the players. The NBA and players "care" because of the HUGE population in china and the $$$$.

If the $$$$ wasn't there you think the NBA and it's players would give two you know what about china. lol. nope.

[Frank Dux]

Fire Adam Silver.

[Imon]

Next on China's stupid checklist.

☐ - Demand Houston stops using Yao's likeness
☐ - Void Jeremy Lin's contract
☐ - Topple Stephon Marbury's statue in China

[mademan]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

The overall point is relatively simple. When the NBA players/coaches say things like "phuck Trump" or something along those lines, theyre not risking anything. When they denounce China for their human rights crimes, they actually risk their bottom line. Virtue isnt virtue if youre not willing to risk your profit for your beliefs.

[kio80]

Whatever. NBA shouldn't bow down to China. Constant human rights issues, abusing protestors...

Interesting, where’s the human rights in this incident?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/18/us/florida-pledge-of-allegiance-altercation-arrest/index.html


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[JellosJigglin]

What's wrong with working for money?

Nothing, really. But people shouldn't be regarding a corporation like the NBA as some kind of social vanguard. They're not.

yet the NBA seizes the mantle of a progressive organisation fighting for the (formerly) oppressed.

if you are openly anti-slave and anti-patriarchal you should be anti-holocaust as well (see Uyghurs).

I'm kinda shocked people in here are defending the communist party. seems the democracy really is dead.

I support the free market principles of a capitalist economy. That is the antithesis of the communist party. China adopted some capitalist policies and that has pulled millions from poverty into the middle class. Not many owners would invest billions to buy a team and then work for free. They're trying to make money. This doesn't mean they support communism. Quite the opposite, actually.

[levon]

I dont think this falls into whataboutism. This issue now directly effects the NBA. If they weren't knowledgable about it, they should become knowledgable about it. Someone will ask them about it, and we will see what they say...

Yes, someone will ask them about it, and then we can discuss their responses or lack thereof. But I very much disagree with drumming up animosity towards people who speak out about injustice because they don't speak out against ALL injustice before they even have an opportunity to find the words to say, or become educated enough on the subject. It's counterproductive at best, and completely irrational.

And that guy's message wasn't an honest "I wonder what they'll say" or "Eagerly awaiting". It was clearly mocking their outspokenness in the past on domestic issues by using China as a rhetorical device. I don't know about you, but at this point I'm well beyond liberal-shaming and I'm more focused on limiting the power of deleterious idiots worldwide.

[Catchall]

And who cares....