China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[Jcity08]

While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

The overall point is relatively simple. When the NBA players/coaches say things like "phuck Trump" or something along those lines, theyre not risking anything. When they denounce China for their human rights crimes, they actually risk their bottom line. Virtue isnt virtue if youre not willing to risk your profit for your beliefs.

The players/coaches saying "phuck Trump" are entitled to do so and the fact that they don't make immediate mention about the issues happening in Ukraine or the murderering/displacing of the Rohyinga people in Burma or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or Venezuala crisis..ect... among many other issues in the world, doesn't devalue the causes they did speak out for.

If having/publicly stating an opinion one thing but not everything is a problem, then this thread... no, this forum about sports is hypocritical, becayse the world is bigger than the crisis in HK and Morey is a hypocrite by the very same definition, because there is probably something that he hasn't publicly spoke about.

Whataboutism is exactly the tactic the Communist Chinese/Soviet Russia governments use and continue to deploy to playdown their issues.

The real problem is that the NBA took a stand against one of their own on behalf of the Communist Party of China. Not that Lebron or Kerr or Pop haven't immediately commented on this.

[Duffman100]

Interesting, where’s the human rights in this incident?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/18/us/florida-pledge-of-allegiance-altercation-arrest/index.html


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Sorry, what does that have to do with China?

Think again, read what you had posted previously, then try again.


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I've thought.
I've read.
I still don't see your point.

China is one of the worst countries for Human Rights violations. So I'll stick by what I said.

How about you try again? Or please, educate me.

[jbk1234]

Not saying Morey CAN'T have an opinion on this stuff but celebrities and athletes SHOULD stop trying to be virtue signalling politicians.

Daryl Morey should just shut up and dribble.

Yes, why would we want people who are able to influence thought signaling society to be more virtuous. Surely the goal should be to influence people to become more morally bankrupt.

Morey is a perfect example of what the other poster was talking about. People in Hong Kong are putting their lives on the line literally for what they believe in - Morey on the otherhand sends a meaningless tweet of support with no real action behind it then at the first sign of blowback takes it down.

LOL.

So Morey is at fault to succumbing to the pressure brought by the league and the owner v. the league and the owner being at fault for applying the pressure in the first place? What a perversion of the present reality.

[Plain Old Josh]

Fire Adam Silver.

[mademan]

America isnt perfect, and you'll find problems everywhere you look



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So you have to be perfect to critique another country?

Nope, but I don’t critique your country, I respect whatever **** is going on there.


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You should critique it. No government is above reproach. The CCP is an authoritarian regime that has hurt millions of their civilians who cant even vote them out. That is something that should be talked about and not hidden behind the wall of "well America isnt perfect, so shut up"

[mademan]

America isnt perfect, and you'll find problems everywhere you look



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So you have to be perfect to critique another country?

Have you seen any tweets from Morey about the USA? I will help you, no.

Thats a weird answer. Have you looked through his entire timeline? I've seen many critiques about the US from many in the NBA. It's not a taboo topic at all

[kio80]

Sorry, what does that have to do with China?

Think again, read what you had posted previously, then try again.


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I've thought.
I've read.
I still don't see your point.

China is one of the worst countries for Human Rights violations. So I'll stick by what I said.

How about you try again? Or please, educate me.

I respect your opinion, and freedom of speech. Allow me to not waste my time on someone who’s to stubborn to see a point.


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[mademan]

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

The overall point is relatively simple. When the NBA players/coaches say things like "phuck Trump" or something along those lines, theyre not risking anything. When they denounce China for their human rights crimes, they actually risk their bottom line. Virtue isnt virtue if youre not willing to risk your profit for your beliefs.

The players/coaches saying "phuck Trump" are entitled to do so and the fact that they don't make immediate mention about the issues happening in Ukraine or the murderering/displacing of the Rohyinga people in Burma or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or Venezuala crisis..ect... among many other issues in the world, doesn't devalue the causes they did speak out for.

If having/publicly stating an opinion one thing but not everything is a problem, then this thread... no, this forum about sports is hypocritical, becayse the world is bigger than the crisis in HK and Morey is a hypocrite by the very same definition, because there is probably something that he hasn't publicly spoke about.

Whataboutism is exactly the tactic the Communist Chinese/Soviet Russia governments use and continue to deploy to playdown their issues.

The real problem is that the NBA took a stand against one of their own on behalf of the Communist Party of China. Not that Lebron or Kerr or Pop haven't immediately commented on this.

I dont expect them to comment on it out of nowhere. But now that Morey has been reprimanded in some ways and the NBA is apologizing to China and China is pulling out of the NBA, it's kind of hitting close to home. Lebron is the face of the NBA and he's quiet on the biggest political matter effecting the NBA right now, and it's because he has a chit ton of Chinese fans and if he comments on it, he'll lose out on money.

I say it all the time when these guys comment on politics and things like that. Nobody should care. If youre not willing to risk anything, then your opinion is meaningless.

[Duffman100]

Think again, read what you had posted previously, then try again.


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I've thought.
I've read.
I still don't see your point.

China is one of the worst countries for Human Rights violations. So I'll stick by what I said.

How about you try again? Or please, educate me.

I respect your opinion, and freedom of speech. Allow me to not waste my time on someone who’s to stubborn to see a point.


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You haven't made a point.

You patronizingly told me to think for myself... that's not a point.

[JN61]

Where is Lebron's opinion?

[spikeslovechild]

Yes, why would we want people who are able to influence thought signaling society to be more virtuous. Surely the goal should be to influence people to become more morally bankrupt.

Morey is a perfect example of what the other poster was talking about. People in Hong Kong are putting their lives on the line literally for what they believe in - Morey on the otherhand sends a meaningless tweet of support with no real action behind it then at the first sign of blowback takes it down.

LOL.

So Morey is at fault to succumbing to the pressure brought by the league and the owner v. the league and the owner being at fault for applying the pressure in the first place? What a perversion of the present reality.

The simple answer is yes.

He started this PR mess with China but like Lee Joon-seok jumped on the first life raft he saw as soon as he got pressured.

If you are going to take a stand against china take a MF stand don't shrink back afterwards. All this does is make Morey look weak. The Rockets look weak. The NBA look weak.

[levon]

It is basketball today. Silver and the league office are srrongly invested in making the game more global, especially with the African league and plans for India.

Sports have always been political, especially when they're global and international. Sports are diplomacy. They're meant to be unifying under microcosmic rulesets, within defined periods of time. They're meant to be human.

If tomorrow an African dictator got offended by a position some NBA GM took and decided to divest from the league, the NBA shouldn't just take its ball and go home. Diffusion of values and conversation about differences can't happen unless these diplomatic touch points are maintained.

To be clear, I don't condone what's happening in China, nor do I endorse the NBA's lukewarm response. But I think the rhetoric around here has been 100% about corporations and bottom lines and the Chinese market, and I think the NBA is a more nuanced organization than that given that it represents an entire sport trying to grow globally.

[kio80]

So you have to be perfect to critique another country?

Nope, but I don’t critique your country, I respect whatever **** is going on there.


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You should critique it. No government is above reproach. The CCP is an authoritarian regime that has hurt millions of their civilians who cant even vote them out. That is something that should be talked about and not hidden behind the wall of "well America isnt perfect, so shut up"

I agree, but I will let you critique your own country and government if you see fit.

If you are making a statement, please show proof, where did you get your numbers?



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[Jcity08]

The overall point is relatively simple. When the NBA players/coaches say things like "phuck Trump" or something along those lines, theyre not risking anything. When they denounce China for their human rights crimes, they actually risk their bottom line. Virtue isnt virtue if youre not willing to risk your profit for your beliefs.

The players/coaches saying "phuck Trump" are entitled to do so and the fact that they don't make immediate mention about the issues happening in Ukraine or the murderering/displacing of the Rohyinga people in Burma or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict or Venezuala crisis..ect... among many other issues in the world, doesn't devalue the causes they did speak out for.

If having/publicly stating an opinion one thing but not everything is a problem, then this thread... no, this forum about sports is hypocritical, becayse the world is bigger than the crisis in HK and Morey is a hypocrite by the very same definition, because there is probably something that he hasn't publicly spoke about.

Whataboutism is exactly the tactic the Communist Chinese/Soviet Russia governments use and continue to deploy to playdown their issues.

The real problem is that the NBA took a stand against one of their own on behalf of the Communist Party of China. Not that Lebron or Kerr or Pop haven't immediately commented on this.

I dont expect them to comment on it out of nowhere. But now that Morey has been reprimanded in some ways and the NBA is apologizing to China and China is pulling out of the NBA, it's kind of hitting close to home. Lebron is the face of the NBA and he's quiet on the biggest political matter effecting the NBA right now, and it's because he has a chit ton of Chinese fans and if he comments on it, he'll lose out on money.

I say it all the time when these guys comment on politics and things like that. Nobody should care. If youre not willing to risk anything, then your opinion is meaningless to me.

Fair enough, you shouldn't have to care about opinions from people you don't believe in.

I think not making a statement should have been what Adam Silver did because its done more damage to the leagues integrity already.

If they choose to weigh in at all, they should do so knowing that they could end up potentially alienating their fanbase in the U.S. and Western circles, which is just as damaging... IMO.

[jbk1234]

Morey is a perfect example of what the other poster was talking about. People in Hong Kong are putting their lives on the line literally for what they believe in - Morey on the otherhand sends a meaningless tweet of support with no real action behind it then at the first sign of blowback takes it down.

LOL.

So Morey is at fault to succumbing to the pressure brought by the league and the owner v. the league and the owner being at fault for applying the pressure in the first place? What a perversion of the present reality.

The simple answer is yes.

He started this PR mess with China but like Lee Joon-seok jumped on the first life raft he saw as soon as he got pressured.

This is just more nonsense. Morey didn't start what is actually happening in Hong Kong or what's happening to religious minorities in China. The Chinese government did. The idea that having the temerity to speak up for, checks notes, democracy and basic freedoms is somehow bad is completely bonkers.

[ElodyTamTam]

LOL @ all the US imperialists calling China "authoritarian". LOL @ the same old trite "human rights" card being played once more when NBA teams periodically wear camo. Your terrorist soldiers killed over 10 million (and counting) Arab civilians in less than 30 years, your beloved NBA teams think that's something worth celebrating... but of course the problem is China, right?
Can't wait for the day you get fed your own medicine.

[spikeslovechild]

So Morey is at fault to succumbing to the pressure brought by the league and the owner v. the league and the owner being at fault for applying the pressure in the first place? What a perversion of the present reality.

The simple answer is yes.

He started this PR mess with China but like Lee Joon-seok jumped on the first life raft he saw as soon as he got pressured.

This is just more nonsense. Morey didn't start what is actually happening in Hong Kong or what's happening to religious minorities in China. The Chinese government did. The idea that having the temerity to speak up for, checks notes, democracy and basic freedoms is somehow bad is completely bonkers.

He stood up and immediately sat his ass back down. Wow what a response. Now the NBA and Rockets are emboldening the Chinese even further and where is Morey? Probably in a secure bunker somewhere.

[Catchall]

And who cares....

probably the worst type of comment made ive read

if you dont have an opinion either way, then dont comment at all. dont decry others for voicing their opinion on related topics of a bigger issue. on an issue that - contrary to your sentiments - people should very much care for. thats a thought for anyone that might be inclined to post 'who cares' or 'omg shut up' next time

Nope. That's my comment. China expects people to suck up to them and look the other way when they abuse human rights, as if everyone in the world is in the wrong except for the ccp. If they don't want to participate in G-league games, they can do as they please. Literally no one cares.

[seccom]

Whatever. NBA shouldn't bow down to China. Constant human rights issues, abusing protestors...

Before criticizing another country, just look up at your own reflection.

LaBron and GSW were critical for US policy and NBA did nothing, oh, when it is China, NBA saying "I am sorry". LOL.

[jbk1234]

The simple answer is yes.

He started this PR mess with China but like Lee Joon-seok jumped on the first life raft he saw as soon as he got pressured.

This is just more nonsense. Morey didn't start what is actually happening in Hong Kong or what's happening to religious minorities in China. The Chinese government did. The idea that having the temerity to speak up for, checks notes, democracy and basic freedoms is somehow bad is completely bonkers.

He stood up and immediately sat his ass back down. Wow what a response. Now the NBA and Rockets are emboldening the Chinese even further and where is Morey? Probably in a secure bunker somewhere.

And instead of blaming China, the NBA and/or the Rockets, you're blaming Morey. It's like blaming the person calling 911 instead of the person committing the crime.