China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

wade44 · Post #101 » by **wade44** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:00 pm

JN61 wrote:Where is Lebron's opinion?

Imagine the further outrage and damage to NBA China caused by an "icon" like Lebron if he took the same political stances that he does with US politics

Promezclan · Post #102 » by **Promezclan** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:01 pm

levon wrote:It is basketball today. Silver and the league office are srrongly invested in making the game more global, especially with the African league and plans for India.

Sports have always been political, especially when they're global and international. Sports are diplomacy. They're meant to be unifying under microcosmic rulesets, within defined periods of time. They're meant to be human.

If tomorrow an African dictator got offended by a position some NBA GM took and decided to divest from the league, the NBA shouldn't just take its ball and go home. Diffusion of values and conversation about differences can't happen unless these diplomatic touch points are maintained.

To be clear, I don't condone what's happening in China, nor do I endorse the NBA's lukewarm response. But I think the rhetoric around here has been 100% about corporations and bottom lines and the Chinese market, and I think the NBA is a more nuanced organization than that given that it represents an entire sport trying to grow globally.

Huh?. There was a massive sports boycott of South Africa during apartheid. Believe me, if some African dictator tried to get an NBA executive fired for tweeting an opinion, the NBA wouldn't even acknowledge it. There is one difference, and that is market size.

Which isn't to trivialize the situation they're in, because it is a big potential market, and they are a business. But just giving into any demand, no matter how petty, obviously isn't a great strategy, either.

The G League thing may be good for the NBA, though. The Chinese regime can save face, and say they punished the imperialist scum, and the NBA can walk away, because obviously this is 100% irrelevant to them.

Sedale Threatt · Post #103 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:03 pm

levon wrote:... and I think the NBA is a more nuanced organization than that given that it represents an entire sport trying to grow globally.

And why do you think the NBA does this? Out of any real altruistic mission, or to expand its fan base and make more money?

Corporations can do good things, but at the end of the day, they exist for one reason, and one reason only: To make money. Everything else is just PR.

Nowak008 · Post #104 » by **Nowak008** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:07 pm

Harden will make close to 400 million dollars in NBA salary in his career...why does he feel like he has to bow to China? Pathetic.

Catchall · Post #105 » by **Catchall** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:08 pm

ElodyTamTam wrote:LOL @ all the US imperialists calling China "authoritarian". LOL @ the same old trite "human rights" card being played once more when NBA teams periodically wear camo. Your terrorist soldiers killed over 10 million (and counting) Arab civilians in less than 30 years, your beloved NBA teams think that's something worth celebrating... but of course the problem is China, right?
Can't wait for the day you get fed your own medicine.

So you're in favor of Hong Kong being free from the communist government of the mainland?

Plutonashfan · Post #106 » by **Plutonashfan** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:08 pm

Lol this is ridiculous. But then again after watching the latest Southpark episode nothing surprises me how stupid and evil that country government is, but also how money hunger, soulless, gutless these American corporations. They make a deal with devil all in name of profit.

scrabbarista · Post #107 » by **scrabbarista** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:08 pm

SK21209 wrote:The China-Hong Kong issue is not the hill I'm dying on because it's completely **** and finally shedding light on the nature of Xi's regime but I am starting to become very uncomfortable with this new trend of expecting/pressuring corporations to take stands on social/non-economic political issues. That is not a path this country needs to go down.

A fair point - but only to an extent. I'm not asking for a political word from the NBA or the Rockets. That's not the place of a basketball league or a basketball team. All I'm asking is that they don't share in the censorship of a maniacal, murderous regime. Just let Morey keep his job, and move on. That's it. If the Chinese Communist politburo wants to dismantle a multi-billion dollar industry every time a seven-word retweet gets on its bad side, let's see how that works out for them.

Maroko · Post #108 » by **Maroko** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:13 pm

mademan wrote:
Maroko wrote:
mademan wrote:
So you have to be perfect to critique another country?

Have you seen any tweets from Morey about the USA? I will help you, no.

Thats a weird answer. Have you looked through his entire timeline? I've seen many critiques about the US from many in the NBA. It's not a taboo topic at all

That's a weird answer. I am talking about Morey and yes I did check his previous tweet and nothing about the US specially during the blackslivematter nothing.

DowJones · Post #109 » by **DowJones** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:15 pm

The league doesn't need them. There is no reason to do business with China. I thought the NBA actually cared about social justice? Their response to communist China is pathetic.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #110 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:16 pm

Notice they didn't cancel the games with Lakers/Lebron, if they called those off then it would be something.

The dollars at stake for all parties with something like that is too great, best believe the NBA HQ called up Lebron and told him exactly what to say on the topic.

13th Man · Post #111 » by **13th Man** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:16 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:From yesterday:

Read on Twitter

Totally agree with this dude.

Many people here including myself have always had issues with the players, coaches or league becoming progressive and forcing their SJW issues down our throats when at the end of the day, all the fans really want is an escape from their real life problems. We don't need to spend our hard earned money to escape to more political BS.

Look at this very site. Why do you think political talk is not allowed on the General Board? Because it is a clear distraction from the real topics that we all want to discuss which is basketball. So why would anyone endorse activism in sports when it causes a huge distraction?

The NBA made this bed imo. They, along with the mainstream media like ESPN, TNT etc. have turned SJW on us. Everybody in the league suddenly thinks that they are some world changer activist with their holier than thou opinions when they should be focusing on what they're good at and what they're getting paid for.

What I find ever more funny and hypocritical is that all these Trump hating activists that are now are silent and bowing down to China whereas Trump is actually the one who is standing up to China and not letting them bully us. Anyone else see the irony in all of this?

scrabbarista · Post #112 » by **scrabbarista** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:17 pm

Plutonashfan wrote:Lol this is ridiculous. But then again after watching the latest Southpark episode nothing surprises me how stupid and evil that country government is, but also how money hunger, soulless, gutless these American corporations. They make a deal with devil all in name of profit.

If you find this stuff entertaining, may I kindly suggest checking out the Youtube channel "China Uncensored." It was suppressed in the search results for about three years (I checked every week - and that was when it already had tens of millions of views), but for about a month now it's started to pop back up again. For whatever reason, Alphabet, Inc., has been a little less willing to censor for China lately.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #113 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:19 pm

Lol. They got bots on RealGM. Their reach goes far and wide. Be careful y'all.

spikeslovechild · Post #114 » by **spikeslovechild** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:21 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
This is just more nonsense. Morey didn't start what is actually happening in Hong Kong or what's happening to religious minorities in China. The Chinese government did. The idea that having the temerity to speak up for, checks notes, democracy and basic freedoms is somehow bad is completely bonkers.

He stood up and immediately sat his ass back down. Wow what a response. Now the NBA and Rockets are emboldening the Chinese even further and where is Morey? Probably in a secure bunker somewhere.

And instead of blaming China, the NBA and/or the Rockets, you're blaming Morey. It's like blaming the person calling 911 instead of the person committing the crime.

Who said I'm not blaming them as well but that is to be expected but to me Morey cowardice is what makes this story interesting. I don't think I've seen such a spineless/weak/pathetic example of virtue signalling in sometime.

He showed zero courage of his convictions, somehow managed to embolden the Chinese further, and made the entire NBA look weak and subservient to China.

EAS Law · Post #115 » by **EAS Law** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:23 pm

kio80 wrote:
mademan wrote:
kio80 wrote:
Exactly my point, however, comparison to China or not, it’s arguable, your opinion is as valuable as mine.

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What point? lol.

America isnt perfect, and you'll find problems everywhere you look

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Why is the standard upon which we determine right from wrong “perfection”? Why does one nation or group need to be perfect to determine when something is or isn’t right based on an innate human sentiment?

Virtually every time there is some debate about a matter outside of the US, the argument that the US has committed XYZ atrocities however many decades or centuries ago always comes up and has the effect of deflecting what’s really at issue and what should really be important.

Lalouie · Post #116 » by **Lalouie** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:23 pm

are they going to kick out american players?

Mephariel · Post #117 » by **Mephariel** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:26 pm

13th Man wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:From yesterday:

Read on Twitter

Totally agree with this dude.

Many people here including myself have always had issues with the players, coaches or league becoming progressive and forcing their SJW issues down our throats when at the end of the day, all the fans really want is an escape from their real life problems. We don't need to spend our hard earned money to escape to more political BS.

Look at this very site. Why do you think political talk is not allowed on the General Board? Because it is a clear distraction from the real topics that we all want to discuss which is basketball. So why would anyone endorse activism in sports when it causes a huge distraction?

The NBA made this bed imo. They, along with the mainstream media like ESPN, TNT etc. have turned SJW on us. Everybody in the league suddenly thinks that they are some world changer activist with their holier than thou opinions when they should be focusing on what they're good at and what they're getting paid for.

What I find ever more funny and hypocritical is that all these Trump hating activists that are now are silent and bowing down to China whereas Trump is actually the one who is standing up to China and not letting them bully us. Anyone else see the irony in all of this?

So basically, don't talk about politics because you don't agree with them? If Tom Brady kneed down to pay respect to fallen policemen, would you have an issue with it? Athletes are people and they can talk about topics like normal people talk about.

And there is no irony. Trump standing up to China is basically him trying to start something he has no clue how to finish, but it looks good to the America public. The trade war has been a disaster. If he really want to stand up to China, why doesn't he pull Ivanka's business out of there? Why doesn't he stop trading with China until they let Hong Kong go? Why doesn't Trump openly side with Hong Kong? Trump made millions off of China but he is standing up to them?

levon · Post #118 » by **levon** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:27 pm

Promezclan wrote:
levon wrote:It is basketball today. Silver and the league office are srrongly invested in making the game more global, especially with the African league and plans for India.

Sports have always been political, especially when they're global and international. Sports are diplomacy. They're meant to be unifying under microcosmic rulesets, within defined periods of time. They're meant to be human.

If tomorrow an African dictator got offended by a position some NBA GM took and decided to divest from the league, the NBA shouldn't just take its ball and go home. Diffusion of values and conversation about differences can't happen unless these diplomatic touch points are maintained.

To be clear, I don't condone what's happening in China, nor do I endorse the NBA's lukewarm response. But I think the rhetoric around here has been 100% about corporations and bottom lines and the Chinese market, and I think the NBA is a more nuanced organization than that given that it represents an entire sport trying to grow globally.

Huh?. There was a massive sports boycott of South Africa during apartheid. Believe me, if some African dictator tried to get an NBA executive fired for tweeting an opinion, the NBA wouldn't even acknowledge it. There is one difference, and that is market size.

Which isn't to trivialize the situation they're in, because it is a big potential market, and they are a business. But just giving into any demand, no matter how petty, obviously isn't a great strategy, either.

The G League thing may be good for the NBA, though. The Chinese regime can save face, and say they punished the imperialist scum, and the NBA can walk away, because obviously this is 100% irrelevant to them.

I didn't say "try to get a GM fired", I said divested. As in ni more teams in that country, no more games. You can substitute Africa for India if you like if market size is your concern. I recognize the population difference.

I'm not sure the NBA community would stand for Morey being fired over a tweet because of foreign pressure, particularly with how salient that issue is in the US today.

I don't know enough about sports boycotting South Africa, but that seems like good precedence so I will learn.

I just wanted to address the "NBA shouldn't bow down to China just because it affects their bottom line!" position. It's not so black and white to me in this case.

Showdown · Post #119 » by **Showdown** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:28 pm

Plutonashfan wrote:Lol this is ridiculous. But then again after watching the latest Southpark episode nothing surprises me how stupid and evil that country government is, but also how money hunger, soulless, gutless these American corporations. They make a deal with devil all in name of profit.

That's the american way

MotownMadness · Post #120 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:37 pm

NBA is getting ragged on from the likes of Schumer to Ted Cruz. Glad Silver looks like such a puss on the main stage