China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[lakerz12]

NBA: We care about causes, as long as doing so contributes to our selfish ambitions.

[VinBaker6]

I wonder what woke Rachel Nichols is gonna say about this live from China

[Mephariel]

So we can invade multiple countries w/o cause, cause the deaths of 100s of thousands of people, and China needs to get a clue. Get your tinfoil hat off man.

Agree.

So it's the job of United States to fix their mess? What is the United Nation for? Have we not learned any lessons from Iraq?

Trump is doing the right thing by looking out for the best interest of his citizens, not those of other countries.

I think he (or she, I guess) was just suggesting we not buy Made In China. Not sure how you guys jumped to "multiple invasions without cause" so quickly.

Is that even possible? China doesn't just make whole products, they make parts in thousands of products.

I think the problem is, who can you buy products from? Vietnam? India? Do we need to get started on their human rights issues too?

[PD28]

I wonder what woke Rachel Nichols is gonna say about this phone live from China

Probably be forced into some more apologies. Might even disappear for all we know.

[NekiEcko]

Here is the old school answer

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In my opinion, I am really thinking about not looking at the NBA after this. I heard so many things about CCP and their treatment not only to Hong Kong but Tibet and others.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I do find it funny that Rachel Nichols on The Jump blasted Charolette for the bathroom bill thing, but The Jump will be live from China tomorrow.

If she opens the show with a monologue about it, she could very well be thrown into jail, thus proving everyone's point about what a miserable country it is.

[scrabbarista]

Lol it’s funny so many people on here outraged and talking about human right and how the nba is bending over for Chinese money....

Meanwhile y’all are wearing nikes made by children and are using iPhones produced in China from slave workers. Take a look around your house. All you hypocrites attacking others for bending over to the Chinese have a house full of Chinese products. You’re the ones funding these governments and companies as well.

Nike is actually moving a lot of their production over to Thailand and Guatemala due to the rising labor costs in China. Looks like the SJW actually did something and caused China to improve its country's working conditions.

Um, I'd argue it's been 99% tariffs; horrible economic fundamentals; bad weather; the CCP being too much of a hassle to deal with; unfair advantages to domestic, state-owned corporations; concerns of the theft of intellectual property and trade secrets; obscene, rampant corruption; swine fever; pollution; bad press; a lack of rule-of-law; rising labor costs;

and... 1% something else... and

and... 0% SJW's.

I could be wrong, though.

[SlowPaced]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Yeah, this is stupid and smells strongly of Trump apologism/classic "PC" criticism. There's also nothing hypocritical about being more educated and more passionate about what's going on domestically versus what's going on in HK.

I can't stand childish whataboutism. "Oh Kerr denounced Trump? Why hasn't he said anything about X civil case? That means he just wants brownie points and doesn't feel strongly about our corroding democracy!"

Smells strongly of? Being generous there. It clearly is that. Whataboutism fueled by disdain towards Kerr, Pop and LeBron because of their anti-Trump stance. What's more ironic is that Daryl Morey is very anti-Trump himself. Just pick and choose what fits your agenda, is what Clay Travis is doing.

Also regarding Clay Travis, he has no right to call hypocrisy when the party he is accusing of hasn't voiced a statement. You can call cowardice or ignorance if they stay silent for a long while, but hypocrisy ain't it.

[Duke4life831]

I do find it funny that Rachel Nichols on The Jump blasted Charolette for the bathroom bill thing, but The Jump will be live from China tomorrow.

If she opens the show with a monologue about it, she could very well be thrown into jail, thus proving everyone's point about what a miserable country it is.

No way ESPN will let her do a monologue about it either. ESPN is owned by Disney, no way Disney is going to take any kind of chance of taking a hit with China. China is beginning to bring in more money for movies than the US, Disney aint risking hurting that relationship.

If she does say something I will be very surprised and I will come on here saying how wrong I was. But if she doesn't, hard not to see the obvious hypocrisy of refusing to go to Charlotte because of the bathroom bill but have no problem going to China to film her show. Its not just the big businesses that virtue signal, its the personalities as well.

[Fable]

[Mephariel]

Lol it’s funny so many people on here outraged and talking about human right and how the nba is bending over for Chinese money....

Meanwhile y’all are wearing nikes made by children and are using iPhones produced in China from slave workers. Take a look around your house. All you hypocrites attacking others for bending over to the Chinese have a house full of Chinese products. You’re the ones funding these governments and companies as well.

Nike is actually moving a lot of their production over to Thailand and Guatemala due to the rising labor costs in China. Looks like the SJW actually did something and caused China to improve its country's working conditions.

Um, I'd argue it's been 99% tariffs; horrible economic fundamentals; bad weather; the CCP being too much of a hassle to deal with; unfair advantages to domestic; state-owned corporations; concerns of the theft of intellectual property and trade secrets; obscene, rampant corruption; swine fever; pollution; bad press; a lack of rule-of-law; rising labor costs;

and... 1% something else... and

and... 0% SJW's.

I could be wrong, though.

And here is the problem...Thailand, the country that conducts torture, arrests people without explanations, and has a rampant human trafficking market...

Are we so proud that we are buying things from Thailand?

[scrabbarista]

Agree.

So it's the job of United States to fix their mess? What is the United Nation for? Have we not learned any lessons from Iraq?

Trump is doing the right thing by looking out for the best interest of his citizens, not those of other countries.

I think he (or she, I guess) was just suggesting we not buy Made In China. Not sure how you guys jumped to "multiple invasions without cause" so quickly.

Is that even possible? China doesn't just make whole products, they make parts in thousands of products.

I think the problem is, who can you buy products from? Vietnam? India? Do we need to get started on their human rights issues too?

Well, "shop your conscience," then. If you think they're all the same, then don't discriminate. I happen to know a thousand times more about China and Taiwan than I do about India. What I know about these three countries means that if I have a choice to buy from any of them, I'll reach for Taiwan, then India, then China. Does that mean I'm actually right in my judgment? No. Does it mean my life is 100% free of Made In China? No, that's absurd, given the current state of global production. It just means that when I buy something with a label, (when I remember to,) I look at the label, and I make a decision based on the information that I have. That's all. I don't judge anyone else for how they shop. I would just kindly remind them that if they actually believe (as I do) that buying Made In China can contribute to human rights violations, that they look at tags and labels when they shop. If they don't, it's a free country. Just get in where you fit in. Lol.

[dc]

I do find it funny that Rachel Nichols on The Jump blasted Charolette for the bathroom bill thing, but The Jump will be live from China tomorrow.

If she opens the show with a monologue about it, she could very well be thrown into jail, thus proving everyone's point about what a miserable country it is.

She likely wouldn't be. But she and her crew/ESPN would likely be escorted out of the country and then barred from ever entering again. They'd be Richard Gere'd.

It's also possible she may have signed something promising not to talk about certain topics on air, much like all Olympic athletes had to do at the 2008 Olympics.

[scrabbarista]

Nike is actually moving a lot of their production over to Thailand and Guatemala due to the rising labor costs in China. Looks like the SJW actually did something and caused China to improve its country's working conditions.

Um, I'd argue it's been 99% tariffs; horrible economic fundamentals; bad weather; the CCP being too much of a hassle to deal with; unfair advantages to domestic; state-owned corporations; concerns of the theft of intellectual property and trade secrets; obscene, rampant corruption; swine fever; pollution; bad press; a lack of rule-of-law; rising labor costs;

and... 1% something else... and

and... 0% SJW's.

I could be wrong, though.

And here is the problem...Thailand, the country that conducts torture, arrests people without explanations, and has a rampant human trafficking market...

Are we so proud that we are buying things from Thailand?

No, not proud. See my previous comment in this thread: I shop based on what I know. I happen to know a fair amount about China. Now, thanks to you, I'm a little more informed on Thailand. I don't consider it my duty to educate myself on the human rights records of all 270 some-odd countries on Earth, nor do I consider it my job as a human being to know where all of my stuff is made. If I did, I might be more of a prick than a saint. Nor do I consider it my job to change anyone else's shopping habits or judge the way they shop. But I do, whenever I remember to, shop based on what I know. I'm just a guy with a conscience, and sometimes when I shop, I engage that conscience. I don't congratulate myself for it or advertise it unless the subject of China and/or shopping is already on the table and the mood seems right. I mean, I hope your question was a rhetorical device to bring up Thailand's human rights record, and not the first in a litany of the atrocities committed by every government on the face of the Earth and how "proud" we should be on a scale of 1-100 to buy their stuff. If you meant it as the former, I think it's a good question.

[Hindenburg]

So Silver said he's backing Morey? Hard to read his response. He's basically tip toing on both sides, not giving a clear answer.

[13th Man]

NBA players are people. They are going to have political viewpoints and some are more vocal than others. You don't have to agree with them, and you can criticize, but if they are saying what the league is allowing them to do, why do you care? It is not like NBA players are telling teams there can be no repercussions. If there are repercussions, then the players need to be prepare to face them. Now, if a player comes out and say he is immune to consequences, then that is one thing. But that is not what is happening here.

I've already stated my reasons many times on why I care. Because I pay for cable or go to sporting events as a means to de-stress and escape from the real world problems. Why should I pay money for entertainment to be fed something that was not advertised which could possibly get me worked up for no good reason? If I wanted to get worked up, I would engage in political debates and such, there are various other avenues for that.

I've said from day one to keep political BS out of sports and I stand by this. The fact that the NBA was supporting and encouraging this type of behaviour probably pushed others like Morey to follow suit. They've been playing a dangerous game all along and many people like yourself use the argument of "why do you care?" or "where is the harm?'. As you can see the line is very thin between no harm and catastrophic harm as we're witnessing right now.

It' simple. Don't allow engagement of political/SJW BS into the league and you won't get burned.

No offense, but politics have been in sports for decades. And honestly, anytime you pay for anything involving public figures, there will always be a chance politics is involved. You been around for too long not to know that. I don't understand how that bothers you that much. It is not like every game, there is a 30 min segment devoted to politics. You have occasional outbursts from vocal players. Sports is 75% the game, 25% the other stuff. When you think about it, what form of entertainment doesn't have politics? Movies? Sure. Sports? Sure. Music? Sure.

I am not sure what you mean by the NBA supporting and encouraging this type of behavior. Is the NBA supposed to censor speech? If Lebron James isn't allow to speak up, or is discouraged, wouldn't that create even more of a backlash?

Regardless of the company, there will always be a risk of a vocal employee causing a political firestorm. Disney isn't the NBA, but when Liu Yifei, who plays Mulan, spoke up in favor of the Hong Kong police, it created a political nightmare for them too. You can't prevent every incident no matter what your stance is.

It's the point that politics should stay out of sports no matter how small or big the impact on people which is subjectable. It's starts off with something innocent like topic A, then goes onto topic B then onto topic C. Where is the line before you reach topic X? Nobody knows because the lines vary from each person depending on their perspective.

Yes, I have watched sports shows which have engaged on topics that do bother me. You understand as well as I do that political discussion can be a point of contention to different people. So why allow or encourage this type of controversial discussion when it's not really necessary? Do you really think more good comes out of SJW activism than bad?

Again, when I watch sports I don't want to be riled up by political discussion. This has already happened with the NFL losing a ton of viewership. It happened to Gilette when they offended men by trying to pussify us. Seriously, we don't need this in sports because it will only turn ugly rather than help out the general public.

[Tony Franciosa]

Right, the Chinese government can do what it wants, but this whole situation shows all of us what they want and how they think and act so we shouldn't be buying all of their stuff and giving them all of the money they need to suppress their own people and build up their military. We might be next.

So we can invade multiple countries w/o cause, cause the deaths of 100s of thousands of people, and China needs to get a clue. Get your tinfoil hat off man.

Agree.

So it's the job of United States to fix their mess? What is the United Nation for? Have we not learned any lessons from Iraq?

Trump is doing the right thing by looking out for the best interest of his citizens, not those of other countries.

Lol at the thought of Tr*mp doing anything for anyone other than himself.

[Duffman100]

Always thought Reddit was full of CCP shills, didn't realize RealGM had its share too

A mod saying this, SMFH. The stupid is strong with you.

So we ignore human rights violations in other countries because the countries we live in don't have a clean record?

That means everyone would ignore everything and countries and dictators would be free to do anything without world wide pressure to stop.

[13th Man]

So Silver said he's backing Morey? Hard to read his response. He's basically tip toing on both sides, not giving a clear answer.

The NBA is basically trying to stay out of it. Saying that they support Morey's right to free speech but makes it clear that his opinions are his and his own, not representative of the NBA.

My opinion? I don't see anything wrong with this as I don't believe that Morey is speaking on behalf of the NBA either.

Now, if China is going to over-react, play hardball and start revoking access and cutting ties to the league, the NBA should definitely react accordingly. They can say screw you guys, if you're going to act irrationally over one comment that's not even representative of the league then go F yourself. I'm hoping that they will have the guts to do this but I don't see this happening, the almighty dollar is too strong.

[scrabbarista]

So Silver said he's backing Morey? Hard to read his response. He's basically tip toing on both sides, not giving a clear answer.

There are multiple ways to read it. Ultimately, his real answer will be in his actions. If Morey leaves the Rockets any time in the next 12-18 months, then that's one answer. If Morey sticks with the team, then that's another answer. It could play out in other ways that I can't foresee, too, but it's definitely going to be Silver's actions, not his words, that show what he really means. His words, as they probably should be, are going to be as cautious, circumspect, and two-sided as possible.

To be clear, in case you didn't read between the lines: it's perfectly plausible that Silver would say, "we support free expression and blah blah blah" and then turn around and "help" Fertitta get rid of Morey as quietly as possible. Not saying that's what's gonna happen, and I sure hope not, but Silver's words won't mean anything compared to what he actually does.