China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[clyde21]

The league doesn't need them. There is no reason to do business with China. I thought the NBA actually cared about social justice? Their response to communist China is pathetic.

they only care about allowing men to walk into womens bathrooms, to them that's 'woke', but not protesting a literal holocaust in Xinjiang as we speak, that doesn't score any brownie points in America

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

I think the major issue that Americans are missing is that questions about Chinese sovereignty by an outsider are a very sensitive topic. This was not just a tweet about human rights or trade practices, it was about the territorial integrity of a Chinese region. This sentiment is not just a government sentiment, it is one shared by a billion Chinese citizens including millions living overseas. China suffered a century of ruthless and humiliating aggression from the Western powers who sought to divide China. Westerners saw a divided China as a weak China that could be colonized by imperialism. There's a famous Henri Meyer cartoon that few Americans will recognize, but almost every Chinese will. Heck, mainland China was not even recognized by the UN until 1971.

Chinese people understand that there are serious internal problems within the country and many of these are openly debated, but issues regarding Chinese sovereignty are a different matter and elicit a much different reaction. They invoke terrible memories that persist to this day. The message to the NBA was clear, you can criticize Chinese sovereignty all you want, but don't expect them to buy billions of dollars of your product.

China suffered terrible tragedies from foreign occupiers through WWII. Then the current Chinese government murdered tens of millions of Chinese citizens in the years after WWII.

But I do agree it's the US government that needs to be more forceful in standing up for US interests. China can't ban US companies from doing business there for supporting no taxation without representation, then expect to be able to access the US market, the dollar denominated world wide trading system, or US technology.

[Pan Jia Yuan]

Honestly, I knew something like this would happen in time, just didn't think it would be so abrupt. It's like Morey poked a stick into a hornets nest without realizing the magnitude of the situation and it's implications.

This is what happens when you condone and encourage SJW type behaviour, everybody thinks that they're world changers all of the sudden and that they're opinions are so important. How about stick to what you're good at rather than be Mr. Influencer on controversial topics you have little true knowledge of.

You know that by logic we should immediately shut down all democratic elections?
What do you think is the ultimate reason and fundament for, what you call, "SJW type behaviour"?
It's democracy and critical citizens freely voicing their opinions.
What you're asking for is submissive functional subjects.

So when a dictatorship gets criticized for treating ppl like submissive subjects - your answer is that they should behave more like submissive subjects.

[tondi123]

The league doesn't need them. There is no reason to do business with China. I thought the NBA actually cared about social justice? Their response to communist China is pathetic.

they only care about allowing men to walk into womens bathrooms, to them that's 'woke', but not protesting a literal holocaust in Xinjiang as we speak, that doesn't score any brownie points in America

The lefts always had an administration for communists and their tactics. Castro had half of Hollywood eating out of his hands for decades and he was a murdering tyrant as well. All this "woke" crap is more about destroying American values and institutions than it is protecting the rights of anyone.

[clyde21]

LOL @ all the US imperialists calling China "authoritarian". LOL @ the same old trite "human rights" card being played once more when NBA teams periodically wear camo. Your terrorist soldiers killed over 10 million (and counting) Arab civilians in less than 30 years, your beloved NBA teams think that's something worth celebrating... but of course the problem is China, right?
Can't wait for the day you get fed your own medicine.

Can't wait for us to get fed our own medicine? And what exactly would that be? Interesting.

You better not watch the NBA or you are one hell of a hypocrite.

Judging by his pro-China take, use of collectivistic language that targets all Americans for the actions of the United States and the use of the word "imperalist", he's most likely a communist. Expecting reasonable takes from a communist is setting yourself up for disappointment.

lol, you don't have to be communist to point out US' imperialism, and the US has slaughtered millions (I repeat, millions) and displaced tens of millions more since 2001 in the middle east...those are called facts.

but that doesn't make China any better, **** China

[13th Man]

Politics is part of life. In today's arena, players have voices that can reach far beyond any normal person with Twitter, Facebook, etc. There will always be politics in sports because it is human nature to want to speak out on certain things. The NFL is a good example why I don't get why you are all bothered by it. The players protest for 10 minutes during the singing of the anthem. It is not like they are protesting half the game. But people are complaining as if the players got on to their knees after every scrimmage.

Again, I don't see how you can ban political discussion or discourage discussion without getting a enormous amount of backlash. Speaking out for a cause is not a bad thing and yes, it will lead to a firestorm one day. But the NBA will need to learn how to put it out.

Because where is it going to stop? You say that nobody should be bothered by players kneeling. Then they start to bash political figures that they don't like. Then they start talking about people sharing public restrooms. Then they talk about China. See my point? Where do you draw the line? Many of these are controversial topics backed by political agenda, just because you are ok with them doesn't mean that others aren't. And because there is no line, the NBA now look like hypocrites because they backed on SJW issue but not another. What happens is when you give people an inch, they eventually want to take a mile.

It's easy, just put policies in place, corporations do this all the time. Nobody is saying that they can't have an opinion or cannot speak their minds. How about doing it on your own time and not use your employer's time and platform for it? Why is that so hard to abide by?

How often do they do that? 90%+ of the time, you turned on the football game, you see people playing football. You turned on a basketball game, you see basketball. How often do you hear about those topics in the middle of the game? Almost never. If you hear about the political issues, it is because you want to read about it online. So I don't see how this affects the product. If you don't like the politics, don't click on twitter links or read articles. But the fact that you do should tell you why politics is a part of life and you can't just get rid of it. It is human nature to be curious about what others are saying and it is human nature to say it. You keep saying where it is going to stop as if players are not playing the game anymore. They are, but they are also public figures that will voice their opinions.

As for putting policies in place, unless they ban the use of Twitter, facebook, etc, how are they going to stop it? NBA players have multiple platforms they can use outside of work hours. And why stop it? Social commentary is part of the reason the players have followers and it increase popularity of the NBA's reach.

Again, If you've been following my argument, nowhere did I suggest that they stop using OTHER platforms to voice their concerns. The Morey case is different because the Chinese took great exception to it in any case, they consider his words a representation of the Houston Rockets and the NBA.

When I go watch a game or watch an ESPN broadcast, I don't want to hear peeps try to push their political agenda onto me. I watch sports as an escape from all of this. You're ok with it because those things align with your ideologies, what if they pushed a different agenda in which you don't agree with? It starts off with race, then transforms into LGTBQ rights, then onto bashing Trump, then onto who knows what else? We're already being pushed extreme biased views by 90% of the mainstream media, sports was an outlet in which I would be free of this. Also notice that all of the SJW issues pushed are left leaning, this is a fact I'm sure you cannot be that blind not to see this.

The movie industry has already been tainted, cable news outlets, the press, the comedy industry, and now sports entertainment. There is basically nothing left that is sacred in its purest form and you're ok with that? Look what happened to Dave Chappelle not too long ago, he got 17% on Rotten tomatoes while getting a 99% rating from the real public audience.

Can we not have just one source of entertainment to leave politics alone?

[sikma42]

Dangerous game to play. What do you think happens if the dollar is no longer the global currency?

I think the major issue that Americans are missing is that questions about Chinese sovereignty by an outsider are a very sensitive topic. This was not just a tweet about human rights or trade practices, it was about the territorial integrity of a Chinese region. This sentiment is not just a government sentiment, it is one shared by a billion Chinese citizens including millions living overseas. China suffered a century of ruthless and humiliating aggression from the Western powers who sought to divide China. Westerners saw a divided China as a weak China that could be colonized by imperialism. There's a famous Henri Meyer cartoon that few Americans will recognize, but almost every Chinese will. Heck, mainland China was not even recognized by the UN until 1971.

Chinese people understand that there are serious internal problems within the country and many of these are openly debated, but issues regarding Chinese sovereignty are a different matter and elicit a much different reaction. They invoke terrible memories that persist to this day. The message to the NBA was clear, you can criticize Chinese sovereignty all you want, but don't expect them to buy billions of dollars of your product.

China suffered terrible tragedies from foreign occupiers through WWII. Then the current Chinese government murdered tens of millions of Chinese citizens in the years after WWII.

But I do agree it's the US government that needs to be more forceful in standing up for US interests. China can't ban US companies from doing business there for supporting no taxation without representation, then expect to be able to access the US market, the dollar denominated world wide trading system, or US technology.

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[13th Man]

Honestly, I knew something like this would happen in time, just didn't think it would be so abrupt. It's like Morey poked a stick into a hornets nest without realizing the magnitude of the situation and it's implications.

This is what happens when you condone and encourage SJW type behaviour, everybody thinks that they're world changers all of the sudden and that they're opinions are so important. How about stick to what you're good at rather than be Mr. Influencer on controversial topics you have little true knowledge of.

You know that by logic we should immediately shut down all democratic elections?
What do you think is the ultimate reason and fundament for, what you call, "SJW type behaviour"?
It's democracy and critical citizens freely voicing their opinions.
What you're asking for is submissive functional subjects.

So when a dictatorship gets criticized for treating ppl like submissive subjects - your answer is that they should behave more like submissive subjects.

You are missing my point, which has nothing to do with democracy or dictatorship. It has more to do with letting controversial political discussion seep into sports and then normalizing it.

How about let sports be about watching sports without pushing a political agenda? How hard is that not to understand?

[scrabbarista]

I hope to see less Chinese pandering from now on.

Man, this sums up the last, like, twenty hours that I've spent on these boards. If there's one thing the world could do with a whole lot less of, it's Chinese pandering. More Chinese pandas, please; less Chinese pandering. Who's with me.

[NPZ]

Fire Adam Silver.

Glad this hypocrite's ways got exposed on this issue.

Brawn is IN China right now lest they cancelled these two preseason Laker vs Nets gms and I don't know about it yet. I wouldn't be too thrilled myself with having to defend freedom in HK while I was on Chinese soil (yikes!), however. He'd probably get home alive, but you don't want to stick your neck out too far while you're actually inside their borders. Silver was not. Anyway, he decided to play in China in the Olympics so it wouldn't be surprised if he still hadn't felt their human rights vios weren't important enough for him to not play in 2008.

[13th Man]

Nobody is pandering to the Chinese. Their situation is extremely complicated, stay out of their business. You meddle into **** you know little about and chances are you could get burned.

[NPZ]

The movie industry has already been tainted, cable news outlets, the press, the comedy industry, and now sports entertainment. There is basically nothing left that is sacred in its purest form and you're ok with that? Look what happened to Dave Chappelle not too long ago, he got 17% on Rotten tomatoes while getting a 99% rating from the real public audience.

Can we not have just one source of entertainment to leave politics alone?

Just saw Chappelle standup yesterday. Funny in parts, kinda meh in others, but he's still the last or one of the last household name comics flying the FU attitude flag which makes him undeniably important. Beyond whether his jokes hit MY personal mark or not, I support his right to offend and he even had people in his audience who weren't lookin too pleased at some jokes.

[13th Man]

Morey used very poor judgement with that tweet, I thought he was smarter than that. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting fired tbh.

[wco81]

Nobody is pandering to the Chinese. Their situation is extremely complicated, stay out of their business. You meddle into **** you know little about and chances are you could get burned.

Nothing complicated. Chinese Communist Party is authoritarian and will run over civilian protesters with tanks.

They suppress that information so now a lot of Chinese lemmings have this mistaken sense of nationalistic pride so they support suppression of dissent in places like Tibet or the muslim minority and now HK as well.

[RookieStar]

I hope to see less Chinese pandering from now on.

Man, this sums up the last, like, twenty hours that I've spent on these boards. If there's one thing the world could do with a whole lot less of, it's Chinese pandering. More Chinese pandas, please; less Chinese pandering. Who's with me.

I'm with ya bro. More cute pandas please.

[LKN]

Who cares.... It's not like the product is in danger of being replaced by a competitor (at least not a quality one)

[13th Man]

Nobody is pandering to the Chinese. Their situation is extremely complicated, stay out of their business. You meddle into **** you know little about and chances are you could get burned.

Nothing complicated. Chinese Communist Party is authoritarian and will run over civilian protesters with tanks.

They suppress that information so now a lot of Chinese lemmings have this mistaken sense of nationalistic pride so they support suppression of dissent in places like Tibet or the muslim minority and now HK as well.

You're seeing this from a western perspective. It's their country, who are you to tell them how it should be run?

[SupaManu]

So we can invade multiple countries w/o cause, cause the deaths of 100s of thousands of people, and China needs to get a clue. Get your tinfoil hat off man.

Agree.

So it's the job of United States to fix their mess? What is the United Nation for? Have we not learned any lessons from Iraq?

Trump is doing the right thing by looking out for the best interest of his citizens, not those of other countries.

Yes, we have people struggling in this country, we imprisoned people who want to be in this country, and separated kids from their parents, and this forum is worried about what's happening in China.

Hey you dimwits, worry about what's happening here.

Don’t break the law and come here illegally then, i have no sympathy for people who knowingly break the law. My family are immigrants but we did it the legal way.

[13th Man]

Agree.

So it's the job of United States to fix their mess? What is the United Nation for? Have we not learned any lessons from Iraq?

Trump is doing the right thing by looking out for the best interest of his citizens, not those of other countries.

Yes, we have people struggling in this country, we imprisoned people who want to be in this country, and separated kids from their parents, and this forum is worried about what's happening in China.

Hey you dimwits, worry about what's happening here.

Don’t break the law and come here illegally then, i have no sympathy for people who knowingly break the law. My family are immigrants but we did it the legal way.

Amen, my family as well. My best job ever was working for the police dept. to bust criminals from my very own country it was very satisfying. The only discrimination that I have are against people that break the law or abuse their power of authority.

[Hello Brooklyn]

There are plenty of other countries where the NBA can expand that doesn't have these types of blatant human rights issues. China's loss more than ours.