China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[DaPessimist]

The CCTV statement about canceling the G-League games really says it all. Quoted from the ESPN writeup:

"We're strongly dissatisfied and oppose Adam Silver's claim to support Morey's right to freedom of expression."

So there you have it in black and white. The CCP's problem specifically is that an American corporation allows its employees (an American citizen in Morey's case) freedom of expression. Not on NBATV, or during an NBA broadcast, just on their personal social media. The official stance is loud and clear, if any western corporation wants to do business with China their employees have to lose their right to freedom of expression or the corporation will lose its right to do any business in that country.

Donald Sterling was banned from the NBA for a private conversation in his own home.

Great example. But now you can expect a **** of enraged comments saying that such statements cannot be filed under freedom of speech, while supporting the violation of a country's sovereignty is something that should totally be supported.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

[Jim Naismith]

Donald Sterling was banned from the NBA for a private conversation in his own home.

Great example. But now you can expect a **** of enraged comments saying that such statements cannot be filed under freedom of speech, while supporting the violation of a country's sovereignty is something that should totally be supported.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Adam Silver believes that Donald Sterling's statements weren't covered by free speech.

[Sgt Major]

Donald Sterling was banned from the NBA for a private conversation in his own home.

Great example. But now you can expect a **** of enraged comments saying that such statements cannot be filed under freedom of speech, while supporting the violation of a country's sovereignty is something that should totally be supported.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Well, Chinese reactions are the consequences that people around here deem unacceptable.

[DowJones]

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Anyone defending this stance is a moron.

China lecturing the United States on what is free-speech is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

[RB34]

This just in:

Chinese fans are now supporting 9/11 as a response to Adams Silvers revised statement.

What a world we live in.

[Jim Naismith]

This just in:

Chinese fans are now supporting 9/11 as a response to Adams Silvers revised statement.

What a world we live in.

Do you oppose their free speech?

[DaPessimist]

Great example. But now you can expect a **** of enraged comments saying that such statements cannot be filed under freedom of speech, while supporting the violation of a country's sovereignty is something that should totally be supported.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Well, Chinese reactions are the consequences that people around here deem unacceptable.

Because their reaction is ridiculous. Random employee makes a random tweet and the Country of China wants to ban the NBA?

China looks incredibly thin-skinned here.

[nikster]

Great example. But now you can expect a **** of enraged comments saying that such statements cannot be filed under freedom of speech, while supporting the violation of a country's sovereignty is something that should totally be supported.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Adam Silver believes that Donald Sterling's statements weren't covered by free speech.

Adam silver believes it was covered by free speech. That doesn’t prevent the NBA from firing him tho

[shanghaifanzi]

daryl morey could running as US president next year

he succesfully turning sports into political arena

[RB34]

This just in:

Chinese fans are now supporting 9/11 as a response to Adams Silvers revised statement.

What a world we live in.

Do you oppose their free speech?

They can say what they want, I just think it’s poor form to cheer the deaths of thousands of innocents regardless of who they are or where they come from.

[Sgt Major]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Well, Chinese reactions are the consequences that people around here deem unacceptable.

Because their reaction is ridiculous. Random employee makes a random tweet and the Country of China wants to ban the NBA?

China looks incredibly thin-skinned here.

What I'm seeing is that China wants the NBA to say that any support for violation of Chinese sovereignty coming from an NBA official or an official of an NBA team is not acceptable.

[sikma42]

Random employee?? Wtf are you talking about

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Well, Chinese reactions are the consequences that people around here deem unacceptable.

Because their reaction is ridiculous. Random employee makes a random tweet and the Country of China wants to ban the NBA?

China looks incredibly thin-skinned here.

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[Jim Naismith]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. The problem isn't that China disagrees with Morey's statement, it's that they believe he doesn't have the right to make the statement at all.

Adam Silver believes that Donald Sterling's statements weren't covered by free speech.

Adam silver believes it was covered by free speech. That doesn’t prevent the NBA from firing him tho

Doesn't prevent China from boycotting NBA to pressure them to fire Morey either.

[Karate Diop]

Hong Kong gets all the attention, while China low key is committing genocide against a certain religious minority... It's almost as if they're dragging on the Hong Kong issue to deflect attention from that...

[Sabas11]

This just in:

Chinese fans are now supporting 9/11 as a response to Adams Silvers revised statement.

What a world we live in.

Always been that way, large masses and exacerbated nationalism, it's a recipe for irrationality. Make no mistake, it happens in "Western democracies' too.

[Hornet Mania]

The CCTV statement about canceling the G-League games really says it all. Quoted from the ESPN writeup:

"We're strongly dissatisfied and oppose Adam Silver's claim to support Morey's right to freedom of expression."

So there you have it in black and white. The CCP's problem specifically is that an American corporation allows its employees (an American citizen in Morey's case) freedom of expression. Not on NBATV, or during an NBA broadcast, just on their personal social media. The official stance is loud and clear, if any western corporation wants to do business with China their employees have to lose their right to freedom of expression or the corporation will lose its right to do any business in that country.

Donald Sterling was banned from the NBA for a private conversation in his own home.

Ridiculous comparison.

Donald Sterling made statements that were clearly offensive and arguably proved he had a dehumanizing view of about 75% of the NBA's players. The NBA moved quickly in that instance because you simply cannot lose the support of nearly your entire labor force, and nearly all of the most marketable stars. An anti-racist labor strike would have done irreparable damage to the entire league, the NBA would simply not be able to exist without the support of its black players and fans. The Sterling situation, if it had been allowed to fester, could have become an existential threat the NBA's normal operations within the United States and Canada.

Conversely, the NBA can operate as-is at present with or without the CCP's support if that is what the league chose to do. Currently 90% of NBA revenue is coming outside of China. Bowing and scraping to China today is all about future growth tomorrow, not an existential threat to the present. The NBA could still grow without China and the NBA could still easily exist in its present form without China.

And beyond all that there is an importance difference in where this directive is coming from that makes those situation incomparable. The NBA is a private organization that can hire or fire based on its 'values'. Obviously being racist in a league where 75% of the work force is black is naturally at odds with those 'values'. The players, fans and owners spoke out about Sterling as individuals and the league moved to make a change to undo the damage. In this case an authoritarian government is issuing directives to a private organization that its employees either have to surrender their right to freedom of expression and essentially say only what the CCP will allow or that organization will lose its right to exist within China.

[Durant Durant]

seems like the only way to end this is to fire Morey.

[Jim Naismith]

The CCTV statement about canceling the G-League games really says it all. Quoted from the ESPN writeup:

"We're strongly dissatisfied and oppose Adam Silver's claim to support Morey's right to freedom of expression."

So there you have it in black and white. The CCP's problem specifically is that an American corporation allows its employees (an American citizen in Morey's case) freedom of expression. Not on NBATV, or during an NBA broadcast, just on their personal social media. The official stance is loud and clear, if any western corporation wants to do business with China their employees have to lose their right to freedom of expression or the corporation will lose its right to do any business in that country.

Donald Sterling was banned from the NBA for a private conversation in his own home.

Ridiculous comparison.

Donald Sterling made statements that were clearly offensive and arguably proved he had a dehumanizing view of about 75% of the NBA's players. The NBA moved quickly in that instance because you simply cannot lose the support of nearly your entire labor force, and nearly all of the most marketable stars. An anti-racist labor strike would have done irreparable damage to the entire league, the NBA would simply not be able to exist without the support of its black players and fans. The Sterling situation, if it had been allowed to fester, could have become an existential threat the NBA's normal operations within the United States and Canada.

Conversely, the NBA can operate as-is at present with or without the CCP's support if that is what the league chose to do. Currently 90% of NBA revenue is coming outside of China. Bowing and scraping to China today is all about future growth tomorrow, not an existential threat to the present. The NBA could still grow without China and the NBA could still easily exist in its present form without China.

And beyond all that there is an importance difference in where this directive is coming from that makes those situation incomparable. The NBA is a private organization that can hire or fire based on its 'values'. Obviously being racist in a league where 75% of the work force is black is naturally at odds with those 'values'. The players, fans and owners spoke out about Sterling as individuals and the league moved to make a change to undo the damage. In this case an authoritarian government is issuing directives to a private organization that its employees either have to surrender their right to freedom of expression and essentially say only what the CCP will allow or that organization will lose its right to exist within China.

Chinese fans spoke out as individuals to what they perceived to be an arrogant white man trying to recolonialize Hong Kong.

[Sgt Major]

There's a nice comment about this on Jazzfans:

"Imagine USA in a similar situation and imagine how we would react.

Imagine we lost a war that was not a war where we were the ones attacked. They took NYC and kept it as their country. 150 years later its back and a part of the USA but a group of people there are protesting because they dont like certain USA policies and think they are bad (you can pick whatever policy you want depending on your political affiliation). Do you think USA citizens would be happy to have people from other countries that dont really know all the information to be cheering for the protesters? Does that mean the protesters are completely wrong? No, there is just a lot to this".

[E-Balla]

Hong Kong gets all the attention, while China low key is committing genocide against a certain religious minority... It's almost as if they're dragging on the Hong Kong issue to deflect attention from that...

That genocide has gone on for a while and no one cared before Hong Kong. They only care about Hong Kong because it allows us to feel superior to China while also defending European colonialism.