China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[13th Man]

This just proves that politics is very complex, I laugh at the people that make this matter out to be trivial and think that they know how everything is over there.

When you engage in political discourse no matter what the issue, you are bound to alienate a bunch of others that don't necessarily agree with you. Why do you think the moderators ban political talk from the GB for the most part with certain exceptions such as in this instance? Because people are going to end up arguing about sensitive and controversial issues.

The NBA made this bed imo, they perpetrated and selectively encouraged SJWs into the game. Now they have to deal with a crapstorm that they weren't prepared for because some prominent member of the NBA community thought he was being brave and doing his job as a difference maker.

[TinmanZBoy]

So far there is only one winner in this fiasco, that is Daryl ... everybody else is loser...

[I_Like_Dirt]

The NBA made this bed imo, they perpetrated and selectively encouraged SJWs into the game.

Wut?

I guess, you're right. The NBA should ban anyone with a political opinion from the sport, be it as players or management. That would certainly be good for the league.

[Ballerhogger]

I got feeling nba presence in China is going be lot less for the next 5 years

[KrAzY3]

UPDATE: Chinese state TV has now said it will cease all NBA preseason broadcasts after NBA Commissioner Adam Silver defended the freedom of speech rights of Rockets' general manger Daryl Morey go.nowth.is/2IvXoqU

Breaking news, China hates freedom of speech.

Big surprise there. The NBA made a deal with the devil though and they are getting what they deserve.

I got feeling nba presence in China is going be lot less for the next 5 years

Honestly, the western world just needs to pull out of China. The notion that the West was going to have some sort of a calming influence has shown to be completely unfounded. China has only tightened their hold even more.

They are censoring western movies, censoring video games, forcing companies to give up intellectual secrets, shown no regard for basic human rights, and because it still helps the bottom line companies are going along with it, for now. I predict there will be a lot of regret in the future though.

[spacemonkey]

To those wondering about the financial implications, the current broadcasting contract the NBA has with Tencent is worth 1.5b over 5 years, compared to the 24b or so they have with just ESPN and TNT.

Assuming it's a flat per-year amount (just for ease), that translates to 300m total per year, or if we want to talk about a salary cap hit, 5m per team (300/2) / 30.

Of course, the potential for earnings from China in the future is far, far higher.

[Ballerhogger]

I wonder how rockets owner and GM will respond ? I’m guessing with nothing now

[MotownMadness]

Silver just needs to go all Trump and start talking trash about China. Like literally screw off and and let that market go.

[Forte IV]

To those wondering about the financial implications, the current broadcasting contract the NBA has with Tencent is worth 1.5b over 5 years, compared to the 24b or so they have with just ESPN and TNT.

Assuming it's a flat per-year amount (just for ease), that translates to 300m total per year, or if we want to talk about a salary cap hit, 5m per team (300/2) / 30.

Of course, the potential for earnings from China in the future is far, far higher.

I wonder if the NBA will start to shift toward the India market instead. They just played the first games there and they have a 1.4 billion population. It's a huge market that hasn't really been tapped into yet. Would make sense.

[Cartuse]

Every human being on this planet has a bias. Even the “woke” YouTube sources you probably get your information from.

Every lie contains a little bit of truth in it. The key is finding those little truths to piece together a whole story.

I agree with this, but in a different sense. The "truth" that we get from everyone on the internet is a truth about their psychological needs of being right and of seeing their persona as someone who "knows" as opposed to the noisy crowd. It's not so much about facts as it is about self esteem.

I don't think most people are convinced by what they say, in the true deep belief sense, and that's why they say it so aggressively. It's not about discussing anymore, because there's no common ground to do so. All we have now are morality wars, in which those who choose to participate are the ones that, on all political sides, are in desperate need of acquiring beliefs, and know no other way to do so other than by attacking something. I mean, look at the back and forths in this thread alone...

Anyway, I know it sounds a bit like a cop out, but I don't think internet arguments have much value besides the potential of observing people's insecurities and desperate attempts to build an identity.

[ropjhk]

This is so lame. China needs to grow TF up. One guy makes a comment and the entire gov is so butthurt they cancel all NBA related events and partnerships? Pretty pathetic behavior

That's the Chinese government. Quell all dissent quickly and harshly.

And who are we to say whether that's wrong for their society? When judged by Western standards of morality one can find plenty of wrong with Chinese authoritarianism. But when judged through the lense of traditional Chinese ethics and moralities one can determine that Chinese authoritarianism is of a higher moral standard than Western democracy.

It's hard to argue with the results. China has lifted about a billion people out of poverty, and it's due to a lot more than just the US buying cheap stuff from China. The Chinese have a greater sense of collectivism that gives them a higher tolerance for authoritarianism. That higher tolerance for authoritarianism has led to a more efficient implementation of capitalism. The Chinese are also more family and generational oriented than Americans. That general philosophy makes them more tolerant to the concept of self sacrifice for future generations.

Here in the West we value the individual and individual rights at the expense of the collective. In China they value the collective at the expense of the individual. I pass no judgement on either society and urge my fellow Westerners to do the same because the history of interventionism is far worse (IMO and it's a whole other discussion) than any current issues that exist with China.

[HeartBreakKid]

[quote="spacemonkey"]To those wondering about the financial implications, the current broadcasting contract the NBA has with Tencent is worth 1.5b over 5 years, compared to the 24b or so they have with just ESPN and TNT.

Assuming it's a flat per-year amount (just for ease), that translates to 300m total per year, or if we want to talk about a salary cap hit, 5m per team (300/2) / 30.

Of course, the potential for earnings from China in the future is far, far higher.[/quote]

Thing is they will have the same problems all foreign companies have in China - they're largely at the mercy of the Chinese government. China really can just snap the NBA out of existence in their own country at a whim's notice.

[Mind_Odyssey]

Every human being on this planet has a bias. Even the “woke” YouTube sources you probably get your information from.

Every lie contains a little bit of truth in it. The key is finding those little truths to piece together a whole story.

I agree with this, but in a different sense. The "truth" that we get from everyone on the internet is a truth about their psychological needs of being right and of seeing their persona as someone who "knows" as opposed to the noisy crowd. It's not so much about facts as it is about self esteem.

I don't think most people are convinced by what they say, in the true deep belief sense, and that's why they say it so aggressively. It's not about discussing anymore, because there's no common ground to do so. All we have now are morality wars, in which those who chose to participate are the ones that, on all political sides, are in desperate need to acquire beliefs, and try to do so by opposition to something. I mean, look at the back and forths in this thread alone...

Anyway, I know it sounds a bit like a cop out, but I don't think internet arguments have much value besides the potential of observing people's insecurities and desperate attempts to build an identity.

This is really good stuff and I agree strongly about the self esteem component. I do think there is a long of insecurity in people today. It’s easier to hide it if you interact with a online community. I’m not sure if it is good or bad, because the alternative is people lashing out in public.

[HeartBreakKid]

This is so lame. China needs to grow TF up. One guy makes a comment and the entire gov is so butthurt they cancel all NBA related events and partnerships? Pretty pathetic behavior

That's the Chinese government. Quell all dissent quickly and harshly.

And who are we to say whether that's wrong for their society? When judged by Western standards of morality one can find plenty of wrong with Chinese authoritarianism. But when judged through the lense of traditional Chinese ethics and moralities one can determine that Chinese authoritarianism is of a higher moral standard than Western democracy.

It's hard to argue with the results. China has lifted about a billion people out of poverty, and it's due to a lot more than just the US buying cheap stuff from China. The Chinese have a greater sense of collectivism that gives them a higher tolerance for authoritarianism. That higher tolerance for authoritarianism has led to a more efficient implementation of capitalism. The Chinese are also more family and generational oriented than Americans. That general philosophy makes them more tolerant to the concept of self sacrifice for future generations.

Here in the West we value the individual and individual rights at the expense of the collective. In China they value the collective at the expense of the individual. I pass no judgement on either society and urge my fellow Westerners to do the same because the history of interventionism is far worse (IMO and it's a whole other discussion) than any current issues that exist with China.

China does not value the collective anymore than any other Eastern country - yet their practices are far more authoritarian than any East Asian nation - with the only exception being North Korea, which isn't saying much.

What they're doing to uyghurs and tibetans is not a "cultural" thing. Unfair business practices and mass censorship are not really cultural things. Undemocratic elections are not a cultural thing.

I don't even know what "Traditional Chinese" means - China rid most of all their traditions in favor of communism (now capitalism) decades ago. Most Chinese customs today are incredibly modern, including their lingua franca.

[DetroitPistons]

Lol now the NBA wants to talk about how it's not their role to adjudicate political differences.

GOOD! Then get your SJW politics out of basketball finally. Stop worrying about stupid crap like transgender bathroom bills and making half of the refs women and focus on growing your business and putting a good product on the floor.

[Mind_Odyssey]

Every human being on this planet has a bias. Even the “woke” YouTube sources you probably get your information from.

Every lie contains a little bit of truth in it. The key is finding those little truths to piece together a whole story.

Disregarding the snide comment and whatever implications were supposed to come with it about "woke YouTube sources" (it's whatever, my original post was pretty snide too), you're not wrong, at least about the part where every source of media is biased and that one should do their due diligence in piecing together a whole story. From where I'm standing, there's a good amount of the opposite going on in this thread, hence the original post.

I agree with you. However, society has made it “not worth” doing due diligence anymore.

Charisma has always trumped intelligence unfortunately.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Silver is in a tough spot. China wants blood on this issue to save face, they want Morey's ass fired.

BUT if he does that, he looks soft as charmin to his US fan base.

[geminiz]

I like how Silver is still using every opportunity to suck up to Xi and the CCP by lumping Taipei with Shanghai and Beijing. This guy is in the wrong profession.

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[NYKHardKnock]

Wait, is China really censoring Winnie the Pooh because he resembles Xi according to...South Park? That can't be true, right?

Is true, words are banned via smart phones to make sure no one can degrade Xi

[kio80]

In regards to Adam Silver’s latest statement, I think it’s pretty fair, and I applaud him for his stance.

As much as some patriotic Chinese company, and the CBA ( yes, we have that in China too, and yes, Hong Kong is a part of China) may be a little sensitive, there is no need to attack the Chinese government and its political views, what you see fit in your own place, may not apply to a different place.


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