China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[TerryTate]

Whatever. NBA shouldn't bow down to China. Constant human rights issues, abusing protestors...

"Constant humans right issues" can be equally said about the US and half of it's "middle eastern" allies.
Globally, there is a lot of focus is in HK right now... but Saudi, UAE, Israel.... cmon. It's not like HK is a glorified ghetto, like the people of Palestine.

Every country does have human rights issues. But if you follow politics and the news, China is really really bad for it.

Journalists just... disappear... even from HK. Which is a lot about what this protest is about.

How about the Journalist from Saudi or UAE, which cause Canada to lose it's armoured vehicle contract with Saudi (because Trudea decided to say something about it).... I mean it's NO different.

We just turned a blind eye like everyone else did.....

It's all perspective.....

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

This just proves that politics is very complex, I laugh at the people that make this matter out to be trivial and think that they know how everything is over there.

When you engage in political discourse no matter what the issue, you are bound to alienate a bunch of others that don't necessarily agree with you. Why do you think the moderators ban political talk from the GB for the most part with certain exceptions such as in this instance? Because people are going to end up arguing about sensitive and controversial issues.

The NBA made this bed imo, they perpetrated and selectively encouraged SJWs into the game. Now they have to deal with a crapstorm that they weren't prepared for because some prominent member of the NBA community thought he was being brave and doing his job as a difference maker.

At the end of the day, it is very simple. In America, you can make any sort of non-violent statement you want without repercussion from the government. In China, you can't. You can't publish a political cartoon involving Winnie the Pooh. You can't say the CEO of HK should be directly elected by the people. You can't say politicians are corrupt. If you do, you get snatched up in the middle of the night, imprisoned without opportunity for an public trial, and your family and business will feel repercussions as well.

It makes the two countries fundamentally incompatible.

[Indomitable]

thats why you never get down on your knees to suck up to a authoritarian person...because no matter what, they dont care about you, just themselves

Exactly

[KrAzY3]

China really can just snap the NBA out of existence in their own country at a whim's notice.

This is one reason that these companies need to walk away. They can invest all the time and energy they want into cultivating the market, only to be forced out of it the next day. They have absolutely no control over the situation.

This is even worse for other companies though. They move their plant to China, next thing they know a product using their mold is on the black market, or there's just outright intellectual theft. I get the incentive, short term monetary gain, but there is a price to be paid. It's not just a moral issue though, it's the simple question of whether or not you are willing to sell out to China knowing they will undermine you at any point it is convenient for them.

[Saints14]

Lol China is so soft

[wade44]

These guys never learn. Keep politics and sports separate

Also way too complex of a rabbit hole for Morey to be digging into & trying to make waves in. Some of these guys just don't get it

Human rights violations aren't political....no matter how much you want them to be.

Society should question people who try to correlate the two. People who advocate to "keep politics" out of sports usually have no interest in democracy or freedom at all.

This would of course explain the inexplicable amount of Trump Supporters siding with China...because they support authoritarianism, as well.

Pro-CCP and Pro Trump Supporters share a lot of the same ideology...especially in the censorship department.

I like how not embracing politics in sports automatically makes me a Trump supporter. Have to love Liberals shoving their ideologies down everyone's throats

[Jim Naismith]

This just proves that politics is very complex, I laugh at the people that make this matter out to be trivial and think that they know how everything is over there.

When you engage in political discourse no matter what the issue, you are bound to alienate a bunch of others that don't necessarily agree with you. Why do you think the moderators ban political talk from the GB for the most part with certain exceptions such as in this instance? Because people are going to end up arguing about sensitive and controversial issues.

The NBA made this bed imo, they perpetrated and selectively encouraged SJWs into the game. Now they have to deal with a crapstorm that they weren't prepared for because some prominent member of the NBA community thought he was being brave and doing his job as a difference maker.

At the end of the day, it is very simple. In America, you can make any sort of non-violent statement you want without repercussion from the government.

Edward Snowden did this in Hong Kong and the US government tried to hunt him down.

[Showdown]

Cancelled

[SwatLakeCity527]

This is so lame. China needs to grow TF up. One guy makes a comment and the entire gov is so butthurt they cancel all NBA related events and partnerships? Pretty pathetic behavior

That's the Chinese government. Quell all dissent quickly and harshly.

And who are we to say whether that's wrong for their society? When judged by Western standards of morality one can find plenty of wrong with Chinese authoritarianism. But when judged through the lense of traditional Chinese ethics and moralities one can determine that Chinese authoritarianism is of a higher moral standard than Western democracy.

It's hard to argue with the results. China has lifted about a billion people out of poverty, and it's due to a lot more than just the US buying cheap stuff from China. The Chinese have a greater sense of collectivism that gives them a higher tolerance for authoritarianism. That higher tolerance for authoritarianism has led to a more efficient implementation of capitalism. The Chinese are also more family and generational oriented than Americans. That general philosophy makes them more tolerant to the concept of self sacrifice for future generations.

Here in the West we value the individual and individual rights at the expense of the collective. In China they value the collective at the expense of the individual. I pass no judgement on either society and urge my fellow Westerners to do the same because the history of interventionism is far worse (IMO and it's a whole other discussion) than any current issues that exist with China.

.............

Harvesting organs from religious minorities.

Social credit.

No freedom of speech.

Complete tyranny.

Harvesting organs from religious minorities.

Your post is hilarious.

[TerryTate]

Lol @ all of this. Hate to say it but I called these shenanigans from the getgo. I agree with Adam Silver's response except I find this ones sentence a little bit rich.


"It is inevitable that people around the world -- including from America and China -- will have different viewpoints over different issues. It is not the role of the NBA to adjudicate those differences."


You got that right, it is not your duty however the NBA does come off as hypocritical when they get involved with other social justice issues. This is selective activism, why support certain agendas but not others?

How about this novel idea? Keep all the political crap out of the NBA so that you won't come off as being selective or hypocritical??

Not quite. There is a big difference with bringing social justice issues to light WITHIN its own country and getting involved with an outside government that has its own belief systems. A country that intends to have 2 billion cameras installed in every location by 2022.

So, if another mass shooting happens, another innocent life is taken or any of the sort happens in this country, the league should stay away from any recognition because it’s a political issue?

That’s a strange way of thinking, buddy. These social justice issues were what built the league in the first place from the 50s, 60s on.

I'm sorry, but when an American decides to bring out the "Social Justice" line, I just gotta say something....

How about all the Black people who are in jail for smoking weed and a White Havard rapist is not?

Don't talk to me about social justice, when your country is probably MORE backwards than half of the world. Every major country has healthcare and doesn't pay a fortune for it. It's actually despicable to see some of the stories of people who go homeless can't they can't pay their medical bill.... Veterans, consistently left to dry.... Where's the respect my veterans talk when their benefits get cut.... I mean it's just irony at it's best.

What country with 2 billion cameras, well the UK does have that too.....and the US was spying on everyone's communication, just like China does.... it was just hidden from the official public. There is no difference.

I could go on and on and on..... but look at the mirror before you start sling ****.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Have they cancelled the Lakers/Nets preseason games? They boot Lebron out, then things are getting serious.

Having him play there is a cash cow for the NBA but also for China, they probably have crazy demand for that game from fans and media/advertisers.

[sikma42]

Morey should be fired but NBA cant because it will make them look horrible. But his actions were irresponsible and puy a lot people in tough situation. After Houston he will have a hard time getting a job in thr NBA.

Silver is in a tough spot. China wants blood on this issue to save face, they want Morey's ass fired.

BUT if he does that, he looks soft as charmin to his US fan base.

Sent from my SM-N960U using RealGM mobile app

[Indomitable]

What's wrong with working for money?

Nothing, really. But people shouldn't be regarding a corporation like the NBA as some kind of social vanguard. They're not.

yet the NBA seizes the mantle of a progressive organisation fighting for the (formerly) oppressed.

if you are openly anti-slave and anti-patriarchal you should be anti-holocaust as well (see Uyghurs).

I'm kinda shocked people in here are defending the communist party. seems the democracy really is dead.

Some people are childish.

[Johnny Bball]

In regards to Adam Silver’s latest statement, I think it’s pretty fair, and I applaud him for his stance.

As much as some patriotic Chinese company, and the CBA ( yes, we have that in China too, and yes, Hong Kong is a part of China) may be a little sensitive, there is no need to attack the Chinese government and its political views, what you see fit in your own place, may not apply to a different place.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So wait... I can't stand up and criticize other nations or governments because they aren't what we do in Canada isn't the same? What the **** are talking about!!

I haven't really hauled off and attacked the CCP here, but you sure make me want to. Maybe it's because how you act doesn't elicit the same reaction here as it does to other people in other places ...when condescended to.

[queridiculo]

Kudos to Silver and the NBA for taking a stand.

[Sgt Major]

There's a nice comment about this on Jazzfans:

"Imagine USA in a similar situation and imagine how we would react.

Imagine we lost a war that was not a war where we were the ones attacked. They took NYC and kept it as their country. 150 years later its back and a part of the USA but a group of people there are protesting because they dont like certain USA policies and think they are bad (you can pick whatever policy you want depending on your political affiliation). Do you think USA citizens would be happy to have people from other countries that dont really know all the information to be cheering for the protesters? Does that mean the protesters are completely wrong? No, there is just a lot to this".

US Citizens have the freedom of the press, so the answer would be both - some Americans would care, some would not. That isn't similar to China at all.

People are not aware that the control of censorship is several tiers higher in China than any Western country. There is hardly any duality in China compared to the United States.

Anyway, this is a silly question because in USA they would at least consider a referendum. NYC would likely be able to govern itself as well (Hong Kong does not). So to answer the question - yes, some citizens absolutely would be happy. Like - what? That is America's history, it is filled with protest and duality.

The post that is quoted is shallow because it is saying to imagine a similar situation but is failing to point out how drastically different USA and China are in regards to domestic policy.

Freedom of press? Ever heard of Alex Jones and what happened to his social media and PayPal accounts?

Is this freedom of press?

https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo

Or CNN that has been caught fabricating news a million times?

Don't learn history from the TV, try reading about Chinese history and then get back to this Hong Kong circus.

OnePlus 6/Tapatalk

[kio80]

The best case scenario is if Morey resigns as the rockets GM, both China and the NBA saves face. Morey will be looked at like a national hero and will get employed by a large corporation outside of the NBA.

Just a wild guess.

[Ice Man]

I like how not embracing politics in sports automatically makes me a Trump supporter.

Your very next sentence confirms that you are.

[kio80]

In regards to Adam Silver’s latest statement, I think it’s pretty fair, and I applaud him for his stance.

As much as some patriotic Chinese company, and the CBA ( yes, we have that in China too, and yes, Hong Kong is a part of China) may be a little sensitive, there is no need to attack the Chinese government and its political views, what you see fit in your own place, may not apply to a different place.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So wait... I can't stand up and criticize other nations or governments because they aren't what we do in Canada isn't the same? What the **** are talking about!!

I haven't really hauled off and attacked the CCP here, but you sure make me want to. Maybe it's because how you act doesn't elicit the same reaction here as it does to other people in other places ...when condescended to.

I didn’t say you can’t criticize other nations or governments, I am just saying there’s no need to.
Goodnight and take a chill pill my friend.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[13th Man]

Lol now the NBA wants to talk about how it's not their role to adjudicate political differences.

GOOD! Then get your SJW politics out of basketball finally. Stop worrying about stupid crap like transgender bathroom bills and making half of the refs women and focus on growing your business and putting a good product on the floor.

Amen.

Notice that they only push narratives that are left leaning but people play it all off as harmless and as to what everybody should agree upon. I'm sorry but no.....you are no better than CNN who tries to come off as being impartial when they are anything but.

The league clearly has a biased agenda, get this political crap out of the NBA.

Sent from my SM-A705W using RealGM mobile app