Training Camp Thread, 2019-20 -- Strus, Gates & Maten Waived

[batabatuta]

Our front court is going to get manhandled against bigger size teams.

Tacko is the secret weapon.

He’s not going anywhere and I’ll be shocked if he isn’t a key contributor in the second half of the season. They won’t have a choice but to play him.

Not sure about being a key contributor but totally agree they won't have a choice but to play him. Pretty sure he won't go to the G-league. Last year they have the luxury with Baynes and Horford, now they don't. Also, fans and Celtics haters may buy tickets just to see him. They can't afford him not to show up at regular season games. He is going to get his baptism by fire. Honestly, i just wanted him to play decent. Him mastering that hook shot is a bonus if ever.

[sam_I_am]

I thought Tacko had made visible strides in his mobility and positioning since summer league. That's good progress in very little time. He's working hard.

I wish his one hook shot went down. He worked with Kareem on it. At his size if it drops regularly, that's a weapon.

I agree he is making progress and he looks physically immature for his age so I think he can get better. I’d like C’s to take a chance on him but I seriously doubt he helps the team at all this year excepting the marketing team. I actually think Javonte Green could help the team a little this year and would be nice to have around if team were to trade Hayward or Brown. Javonte is already signed to a deal so the team either keeps him or cuts him.

The team would love to stash Tacko in Maine but risk losing him if they do. I am not sure he is worth ditching Wannamaker, Ojeleye or Green. Strus looks like a guy they could cut and bring back to Maine. Waters is a worth keeping over Tacko on his 2 way in my opinion.

[BigTrade92]

I don't think Tacko is a secret weapon at all. He had a positive impact for a few minutes and then the Hornets adjusted. Tacko has a long, long way to go before becoming a competent NBA player.

They should waive or trade Ojeleye, sign Tremont Waters to a regular NBA deal, sign Javonte Green to a mimimum deal, and get Tacko on a 2-way. Then send him up to Portland and let him play 30-35 minutes a night (or until he fouls out). Tacko needs to play lots of basketball. Sitting on Boston's bench except for occasional 2-3 minute cameos won't help him very much.

I agree with you about tacko. He’s a gimmicky fan favorite -I get it but he’s got a long way to go even if we have issues at the position he’s not the answer.

That’s nice. When he’s a rotation player at season’s end, I’ll be sure to remind all the Tacko doubters.

Absolutely and I’ll even buy us red claw tickets so we can go watch him play- on the house, if you provide beverages of course.

Think I’ll pass. But I’ll be watching the Celtics in Boston where Tacko will be contributing.

[Resistance]

I gotta rewatch the game, didn't see much of Greene. But, I hope Tacko makes the 15-man roster.

Greene may have inside track if the box score is to be believed. I like Greene's size too.

And, Tacko is a really smart man. He was honors at UCF and went to school for engineering I believe. I know it is weird to see a 7-6 smart dude, but he really is all there in the brains department.

That makes him a lot of fun to be around.

John

Do the Celtics have the automatic right to keep Fall on a two-way? I'm guessing yes, but I'm not sure.

I raise that because Green is reported to be a guy who will be either on the 15-man roster or gone, for reasons related to the size of his guarantee.

He would need to sign a contract for a two way player instead of his current Exhibit 10 contract.

Since there is a limit on the number of two way contracts per team, they would need to create an opening first so they can give Fall a two way contract.

[SmartWentCrazy]

https://theathletic.com/1274937/2019/10/08/most-nba-players-experienced-a-bit-of-shrinkage-this-week-not-jayson-tatum-hes-still-growing/#click=https://t.co/HsMYpNmgg8

Tatum was 6’7 5/8 and his wingspan is 6’11.5. He has grown 3/4 of an inch and his wing span has increased half an inch— combining those, his standing reach should be 9’0 now. If he could gain another 15 to 20 lbs, he should be big enough to play PF long term

Kemba also checked in at exactly 6’0.

[Andrew McCeltic]

My gut says they won't give Tacko a full-time roster spot. Whether he makes it through waivers or not, I don't know. Apart from the novelty of his size and length, he does have surprising mobility, and it sounds like he's growing as a player with good pro-level coaching.

[MagicBagley18]

That’s nice. When he’s a rotation player at season’s end, I’ll be sure to remind all the Tacko doubters.

Absolutely and I’ll even buy us red claw tickets so we can go watch him play- on the house, if you provide beverages of course.

Think I’ll pass. But I’ll be watching the Celtics in Boston where Tacko will be contributing.

Was that you in the tacko costume the other night?

[OldCeltics]

Tacko can dominate most bigs, and take over games already. Only reason he won't is minutes, and conditioning.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Minutes, conditioning, skill level, understanding of the game, the fact that 1 on 1 big matchups like Perk v Dwight are rare in the current NBA, so “dominating” other centers isn’t a simple thing.. plus his lack of lower body strength, and a three point shot, and issues with his positioning generally.

I think he could have dominant stretches even now, at his size, just from other teams getting psyched out once in awhile.

[MagicBagley18]

Tacko can dominate most bigs, and take over games already. Only reason he won't is minutes, and conditioning.

So he can dominate and take over games already but the coaching staff won’t allow that to happen because of his minutes and conditioning ??

I understand this guy is a fan favorite and a hell of a personality but what exactly is everyone here watching?...he hasn’t dominated anything nor can he -yet. I say he never will but I have to allow the idea that it’s theoretically possible.

to say he can dominate and take over games based on summer league and 1 pre-season game is next level ridiculous, he didn’t even dominate the college level and his rpg was terrible for a guy his size.

[Andrew McCeltic]

When he blocks shots and dunks while barely leaving the ground, it *feels* dominant. But for all his outlier attributes, he isn’t Shaq.

[OldCeltics]

Tacko can dominate most bigs, and take over games already. Only reason he won't is minutes, and conditioning.

So he can dominate and take over games already but the coaching staff won’t allow that to happen because of his minutes and conditioning ??

I understand this guy is a fan favorite and a hell of a personality but what exactly is everyone here watching?...he hasn’t dominated anything nor can he -yet. I say he never will but I have to allow the idea that it’s theoretically possible.

to say he can dominate and take over games based on summer league and 1 pre-season game is next level ridiculous, he didn’t even dominate the college level and his rpg was terrible for a guy his size.

When he is in, he takes over the game with his physical tools, not many can stop him on offensive, and he will get blocks. Though he is mobile for his size, he still would have trouble playing over long periods of time. He's 10 minute player first few seasons. But when he is in there, he will make an impact on both sides of court.

[MagicBagley18]

Tacko can dominate most bigs, and take over games already. Only reason he won't is minutes, and conditioning.

So he can dominate and take over games already but the coaching staff won’t allow that to happen because of his minutes and conditioning ??

I understand this guy is a fan favorite and a hell of a personality but what exactly is everyone here watching?...he hasn’t dominated anything nor can he -yet. I say he never will but I have to allow the idea that it’s theoretically possible.

to say he can dominate and take over games based on summer league and 1 pre-season game is next level ridiculous, he didn’t even dominate the college level and his rpg was terrible for a guy his size.

When he is in, he takes over the game with his physical tools, not many can stop him on offensive, and he will get blocks. Though he is mobile for his size, he still would have trouble playing over long periods of time. He's 10 minute player first few seasons. But when he is in there, he will make an impact on both sides of court.

He is playing against bums and his entire offense is dunks which he gets over barely nba level competition...he has no offense at all.

[BigTrade92]

Absolutely and I’ll even buy us red claw tickets so we can go watch him play- on the house, if you provide beverages of course.

Think I’ll pass. But I’ll be watching the Celtics in Boston where Tacko will be contributing.

Was that you in the tacko costume the other night?

I wish. That guy is going to be the go-to Tacko gif from now on.

[ddb]

My guy told me that T Waters is currently beating out Wanamaker in camp. They really like Waters.

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[Slartibartfast]

My guy told me that T Waters is currently beating out Wanamaker in camp. They really like Waters.

He's a lot faster than Wanamaker. Wanamaker is just too similar to Smart as a playmaker. A decent set-up guard who doesn't really move the defense.

Might as well go with a different look.

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[Gant]

My guy told me that T Waters is currently beating out Wanamaker in camp. They really like Waters.

Waters has been so impressive on both ends. He's a real point guard, and the team goes right into sync when he runs the show. On defense he's amazingly effective.

If Waters does make the actual 15 man roster and Wanamaker becomes superfluous, that creates some flexibility as Tacko and Javonte Green both are proving themselves.