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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:We all said "Its just the preseason" last year. Then it changed to "Wait till the playoffs!".
Better hope Brad has some tricks up his sleeve, as this team is going to bleed points. Kanter makes David Lee look like KG on PnR defense. Terrifying.
31to6 wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:31to6 wrote:
For context the 'plastic people' were the ones who doubted when we had KG and PP.
That was a very different situation than a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter veteran core.
This is where all the canaries in the coal mine pass out.
THAT is exactly what it is. I mean it's like I kind of cruised through a busy summer and came to and realized I'm rooting for a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter team. I mean, I'll always love the Celtics -- but that's the Celtics? Plus Tatum and Brown and a bunch of guys who I like -- but by this point it's fair to say this rebuild has ended up a bit below where I was hoping it would end up.
Hayward's injury, Kyrie's psychology, AD's cluster **** (including the **** Rose Rule!), the LAL pick turning into the SAC pick turning into the 14th pick -- last year, still, I thought we were as well set up as any team could hope to be. Now? We'll hopefully be scrappy and fun to root for and hopefully guys'll develop and be greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't fault Andrew at all for looking at those parts and being like "wait a minute".
Hope JT and JB light it up this year but I'd like their chances better if they had the ball more.
100proof wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:Parliament10 wrote:Hmmm.
Hayward would be a really expensive Bench player (Déjà vu).
You might have somethign there, though.
I think Hayward MAY walk for nothing in this scenario. I don’t think it would necessarily tick him off but he could either be the #3 guy on a contender or he could be the #1 on a bad team and have the ball in his hands a ton. Could see both of those scenarios being more attractive than this set up.
who cares.
The future of the team is not in Haywards hands.
He can perform, raise his value and ask for a trade.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:31to6 wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:
This is where all the canaries in the coal mine pass out.
THAT is exactly what it is. I mean it's like I kind of cruised through a busy summer and came to and realized I'm rooting for a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter team. I mean, I'll always love the Celtics -- but that's the Celtics? Plus Tatum and Brown and a bunch of guys who I like -- but by this point it's fair to say this rebuild has ended up a bit below where I was hoping it would end up.
Hayward's injury, Kyrie's psychology, AD's cluster **** (including the **** Rose Rule!), the LAL pick turning into the SAC pick turning into the 14th pick -- last year, still, I thought we were as well set up as any team could hope to be. Now? We'll hopefully be scrappy and fun to root for and hopefully guys'll develop and be greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't fault Andrew at all for looking at those parts and being like "wait a minute".
Hope JT and JB light it up this year but I'd like their chances better if they had the ball more.
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:31to6 wrote:
THAT is exactly what it is. I mean it's like I kind of cruised through a busy summer and came to and realized I'm rooting for a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter team. I mean, I'll always love the Celtics -- but that's the Celtics? Plus Tatum and Brown and a bunch of guys who I like -- but by this point it's fair to say this rebuild has ended up a bit below where I was hoping it would end up.
Hayward's injury, Kyrie's psychology, AD's cluster **** (including the **** Rose Rule!), the LAL pick turning into the SAC pick turning into the 14th pick -- last year, still, I thought we were as well set up as any team could hope to be. Now? We'll hopefully be scrappy and fun to root for and hopefully guys'll develop and be greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't fault Andrew at all for looking at those parts and being like "wait a minute".
Hope JT and JB light it up this year but I'd like their chances better if they had the ball more.
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:31to6 wrote:
THAT is exactly what it is. I mean it's like I kind of cruised through a busy summer and came to and realized I'm rooting for a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter team. I mean, I'll always love the Celtics -- but that's the Celtics? Plus Tatum and Brown and a bunch of guys who I like -- but by this point it's fair to say this rebuild has ended up a bit below where I was hoping it would end up.
Hayward's injury, Kyrie's psychology, AD's cluster **** (including the **** Rose Rule!), the LAL pick turning into the SAC pick turning into the 14th pick -- last year, still, I thought we were as well set up as any team could hope to be. Now? We'll hopefully be scrappy and fun to root for and hopefully guys'll develop and be greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't fault Andrew at all for looking at those parts and being like "wait a minute".
Hope JT and JB light it up this year but I'd like their chances better if they had the ball more.
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:31to6 wrote:
THAT is exactly what it is. I mean it's like I kind of cruised through a busy summer and came to and realized I'm rooting for a Kemba/Hayward/Kanter team. I mean, I'll always love the Celtics -- but that's the Celtics? Plus Tatum and Brown and a bunch of guys who I like -- but by this point it's fair to say this rebuild has ended up a bit below where I was hoping it would end up.
Hayward's injury, Kyrie's psychology, AD's cluster **** (including the **** Rose Rule!), the LAL pick turning into the SAC pick turning into the 14th pick -- last year, still, I thought we were as well set up as any team could hope to be. Now? We'll hopefully be scrappy and fun to root for and hopefully guys'll develop and be greater than the sum of their parts, but I don't fault Andrew at all for looking at those parts and being like "wait a minute".
Hope JT and JB light it up this year but I'd like their chances better if they had the ball more.
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
Darth Celtic wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
well, it's kind of protected 1-6 this year, not 1-3. So we won't get it unless it's 7 or higher.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Darth Celtic wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
well, it's kind of protected 1-6 this year, not 1-3. So we won't get it unless it's 7 or higher.
I made a mistake with bottom 3– should have said bottom 2; forgot the lottery is for top 4 spots now.
Basically, I want it to be an unprotected pick. That will maximize its trade value.
Dannyboy36 wrote:100proof wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:
I think Hayward MAY walk for nothing in this scenario. I don’t think it would necessarily tick him off but he could either be the #3 guy on a contender or he could be the #1 on a bad team and have the ball in his hands a ton. Could see both of those scenarios being more attractive than this set up.
who cares.
The future of the team is not in Haywards hands.
He can perform, raise his value and ask for a trade.
Oh man. We definitely should care. That would hurt us.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
This season wont be pretty. The bright side is that future MEM pick— if they suck and finish bottom 3, it plus Hayward as filler salary constitutes as a great starting point for another star.
Id caution everyone to lower their expectations for the team. This is a bridge year. We’ll make the playoffs and be somewhere in the 3-6 range, but our ceiling is the second round and were likely one-and-done. All that matters next year is Memphis sucking and Tatum taking a leap.
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
Thats the point— an unprotected lottery pick has significant value
100proof wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:100proof wrote:
who cares.
The future of the team is not in Haywards hands.
He can perform, raise his value and ask for a trade.
Oh man. We definitely should care. That would hurt us.
The future is Tatum, brown, new picks, rookies
Kemba and hayward are the bridge between rookies and new picks and now
Brown and tatum cross both timelines
Dannyboy36 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Dannyboy36 wrote:
We don’t get it if it’s bottom 3 though. I hope that doesn’t happen. That could be a really good player. I think I’d prefer the pick at #7 for us now.
Thats the point— an unprotected lottery pick has significant value
Oh in 2021, right.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:We all said "Its just the preseason" last year. Then it changed to "Wait till the playoffs!".
Better hope Brad has some tricks up his sleeve, as this team is going to bleed points. Kanter makes David Lee look like KG on PnR defense. Terrifying.
These were my thoughts after seeing the preseason game. We are gonna get obliterated on the boards unless we change it up.
However, this is a bridge year— all that matters is Tatum IMO.
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:We all said "Its just the preseason" last year. Then it changed to "Wait till the playoffs!".
Better hope Brad has some tricks up his sleeve, as this team is going to bleed points. Kanter makes David Lee look like KG on PnR defense. Terrifying.
These were my thoughts after seeing the preseason game. We are gonna get obliterated on the boards unless we change it up.
However, this is a bridge year— all that matters is Tatum IMO.
That's where part of my gloom comes from - we went from being contenders to having a bridge year. Ugh. I apologize in advance if I pull a Kyrie this year.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
These were my thoughts after seeing the preseason game. We are gonna get obliterated on the boards unless we change it up.
However, this is a bridge year— all that matters is Tatum IMO.
That's where part of my gloom comes from - we went from being contenders to having a bridge year. Ugh. I apologize in advance if I pull a Kyrie this year.
New stars will become available next summer. Haywards expiring deal and an unprotected lottery pick are a great start to a future package.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
These were my thoughts after seeing the preseason game. We are gonna get obliterated on the boards unless we change it up.
However, this is a bridge year— all that matters is Tatum IMO.
That's where part of my gloom comes from - we went from being contenders to having a bridge year. Ugh. I apologize in advance if I pull a Kyrie this year.
New stars will become available next summer. Haywards expiring deal and an unprotected lottery pick are a great start to a future package.
chrisab123 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
That's where part of my gloom comes from - we went from being contenders to having a bridge year. Ugh. I apologize in advance if I pull a Kyrie this year.
New stars will become available next summer. Haywards expiring deal and an unprotected lottery pick are a great start to a future package.
Yeah but who fits that description? Even if they did Boston cant compete in trades with LAL LAC BRK NYK MIA because the player will pull an AD and threaten to not show up.
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
That's where part of my gloom comes from - we went from being contenders to having a bridge year. Ugh. I apologize in advance if I pull a Kyrie this year.
New stars will become available next summer. Haywards expiring deal and an unprotected lottery pick are a great start to a future package.
One can only hope. You need top 5 talent to win, but man, I can't see anyone shaking loose that we can get. Danny was patient and put himself in a perfect position to nab AD, but that little drama queen just ruined everything. We are going to need a lot of luck to become contenders.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:chrisab123 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
New stars will become available next summer. Haywards expiring deal and an unprotected lottery pick are a great start to a future package.
Yeah but who fits that description? Even if they did Boston cant compete in trades with LAL LAC BRK NYK MIA because the player will pull an AD and threaten to not show up.
Just spitballing, but guys I could see asking out:
-Giannis [pending FA, could tell Milwaukee hes out regardless]
-Harden [Could see this season blowing up on them, with Morey getting fired and Harden wanting out]
-Lillard [Portland could crash down to earth and he could ask out; wouldnt be a good fit but its a non-zero chance]
-Ben Simmons [theyd never trade him here, but he’s always going to be a bad fit with Embiid and maybe they look to do something new when they lose in round 2 again]
-Beal [if he turns down the supermax, no idea why he wouldnt consider playing with Tatum, who hes mentored for about 12 years now].
Not all are great fits, but new stars become available pretty regularly each year. Just need to regroup and stay ready.