China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[MrDollarBills]

Its not unheard of to get fired for speaking up about a political issue. CNN fired a journalist (Marc Lamont Hill) for speaking out about Palestine a couple years ago. I know that Isreal didnt DIRECTLY put public pressure on CNN but it looked a bit strange

I dont think think the response is overboard. They are simply laying down the rules or enforcing the rules re their engagement w the NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/29/cnn-fires-marc-lamont-hill-wake-remarks-criticizing-israel-calling-free-palestine/%3foutputType=amp

Being responsible for costing the nba millions If not billions. Derailing decades of nba progress in China. Hurting his team financially and maybe in derailing their season or have long term effects basketball wise. May lose his job and be blacklisted. Might be hated by all the nba players getting pretty penny’s in China. So on and son on.

Yikes.

He deleted the tweet and apologized, yet the CCP is still carrying on like a pack of lunatics. I think right now, the ones who are in the wrong are the Chinese government for taking things overboard.

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Their response is completely overboard, especially since Morey, the Rockets, and the NBA apologized and yet The CCP persists with their bullying act, trying to treat the NBA like their treat their citizens.

And yes, it is not unheard of being fired for commentary on a political issue.

[MrDollarBills]

How about this analogy although I'm not sure of the equality in magnitude.

Speaking against their sovereignty is akin to making public racist remarks in America. How many examples of have we've witnessed of people getting fired or shunned for something they've expressed even years back? There are many examples of this in sports, entertainment and politics. Americans will do anything to try to bury you for something that you may have said or done 20 years back when it comes to race, but the Chinese are not allowed to react to something very sensitive to them right now?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences, true. The Rockets would be well within their rights to fire Morey.

However, comparing a tweet of a graphic that shows support for a pro democracy protest to someone making racist remarks is comparing apples to oranges.

[13th Man]

How about this analogy although I'm not sure of the equality in magnitude.

Speaking against their sovereignty is akin to making public racist remarks in America. How many examples of have we've witnessed of people getting fired or shunned for something they've expressed even years back? There are many examples of this in sports, entertainment and politics. Americans will do anything to try to bury you for something that you may have said or done 20 years back when it comes to race, but the Chinese are not allowed to react to something very sensitive to them right now?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences, true. The Rockets would be well within their rights to fire Morey.

However, comparing a tweet of a graphic that shows support for a pro democracy protest to someone making racist remarks is comparing apples to oranges.

It's about perception, I'll bet the Chinese would see it differently in fact in reverse.

*Btw, I'm not agreeing with them just pointing out the fact that politics is much more complicated than how we perceive it to be.

[mtron929]

Being responsible for costing the nba millions If not billions. Derailing decades of nba progress in China. Hurting his team financially and maybe in derailing their season or have long term effects basketball wise. May lose his job and be blacklisted. Might be hated by all the nba players getting pretty penny’s in China. So on and son on.

Yikes.

Even beyond China, I think in most Asian cultures, someone like Morey would have resigned already. There would be too much shame on what he has caused that the "right" thing to do in the East Asian culture would be to resign/apologize and disappear for a while.

Shame by offering support for Pro Democracy protesters in HK?? What is shameful is the laughable response by the CCP.

Not exactly. It is difficult to explain as you need to be immersed in this type of a culture. In the more collectivist society, it is shameful to have put this much burden on the company that you are working for. In this case, Morey has caused a lot of grief and trouble for the NBA and there is a shame in that from the Eastern culture's POV. I am not even saying that this is correct (it seems a bit silly), but the proper thing for him to do under this context would be to resign. And the fact that he is not doing so would be irritating to the Chinese to say the least.

[manou]

China is pushing all its power everywhere. Don't know if everyone is aware of a similar scandal right now, involving the giant video game company Blizzard, which just banned for a full year a esport pro player named Blitzchung for supporting HK. They even freezed all his prize money (how can that be legal?...). Thus starting a massive campaing against them on Reddit/Twitter and so on.

[Arco Thunder]

If they fire Morey there will be huge backlash in the US media, (both conservative and liberal) Adam Silver will be branded as a coward and the NBA's reputation everywhere but China will take permanent damage. I think you would see some players and coaches like Kerr start to speak up.

Now maybe they will decide this is a better alternative to losing the Chinese market but I'd be shocked if they go this route. Morey "resigning" would be viewed as a firing too.

[kobe808lak]

China is pushing all its power everywhere. Don't know if everyone is aware of a similar scandal right now, involving the giant video game company Blizzard, which just banned for a full year a esport pro player named Blitzchung for supporting HK. They even freezed all his prize money (how can that be legal?...). Thus starting a massive campaing against them on Reddit/Twitter and so on.

Blizzard is terrified of China and losing market share there.

[MrDollarBills]

How about this analogy although I'm not sure of the equality in magnitude.

Speaking against their sovereignty is akin to making public racist remarks in America. How many examples of have we've witnessed of people getting fired or shunned for something they've expressed even years back? There are many examples of this in sports, entertainment and politics. Americans will do anything to try to bury you for something that you may have said or done 20 years back when it comes to race, but the Chinese are not allowed to react to something very sensitive to them right now?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences, true. The Rockets would be well within their rights to fire Morey.

However, comparing a tweet of a graphic that shows support for a pro democracy protest to someone making racist remarks is comparing apples to oranges.

It's about perception, I'll bet the Chinese would see it differently.

Oh they definitely would.

[manou]

If Morey resignes/is forced to resign, it'd be a damn shame, and a sign China is bigger than free speech, simple as that.

[JeepCSC]

Umm... Yeah... I was saying the treatment of non Han Chinese people in mainland China is abysmal. Are you disagreeing with that?

Like seriously here you're speaking in some weird tongue that only you seem to understand...

You said you only felt comfortable criticizing China on their treatment of non-Hans. The unsaid corollary to that is you are uncomfortable discussing China’s treatment of those of Han nationality. I took exception to that.

[mtron929]

If they fire Morey there will be huge backlash in the US media, (both conservative and liberal) Adam Silver will be branded as a coward and the NBA's reputation everywhere but China will take permanent damage. I think you would see some players and coaches like Kerr start to speak up.

Now maybe they will decide this is a better alternative to losing the Chinese market but I'd be shocked if they go this route. Morey "resigning" would be viewed as a firing too.

I kind of disagree. I do definitely agree with you that if the Rockets fire Morey, then there would be huge backlash and it seems like a wrong move. However, Morey resigning (although it kind of sucks for him) seems like the best way out of this mess for everyone involved.

[MrDollarBills]

China is pushing all its power everywhere. Don't know if everyone is aware of a similar scandal right now, involving the giant video game company Blizzard, which just banned for a full year a esport pro player named Blitzchung for supporting HK. They even freezed all his prize money (how can that be legal?...). Thus starting a massive campaing against them on Reddit/Twitter and so on.

This is par for the course for the CCP. Do business with someone, offer them tremendous value in exchange for their silence. This is what they are doing right now in Africa and The West Indies.

[kobe808lak]

Even beyond China, I think in most Asian cultures, someone like Morey would have resigned already. There would be too much shame on what he has caused that the "right" thing to do in the East Asian culture would be to resign/apologize and disappear for a while.

Shame by offering support for Pro Democracy protesters in HK?? What is shameful is the laughable response by the CCP.

Not exactly. It is difficult to explain as you need to be immersed in this type of a culture. In the more collectivist society, it is shameful to have put this much burden on the company that you are working for. In this case, Morey has caused a lot of grief and trouble for the NBA and there is a shame in that from the Eastern culture's POV. I am not even saying that this is correct (it seems a bit silly), but the proper thing for him to do under this context would be to resign. And the fact that he is not doing so would be irritating to the Chinese to say the least.

If 1 single deleted tweet causes this reaction from the CCP, maybe the NBA needs to re-consider it's goals in that market. Resigning would look even worse at this point, to bow down to the CCP censors...

The Chinese people don't have legal access to twitter, this is all on their government.

[MrDollarBills]

China is pushing all its power everywhere. Don't know if everyone is aware of a similar scandal right now, involving the giant video game company Blizzard, which just banned for a full year a esport pro player named Blitzchung for supporting HK. They even freezed all his prize money (how can that be legal?...). Thus starting a massive campaing against them on Reddit/Twitter and so on.

Blizzard is terrified of China and losing market share there.

Most US Companies who are in bed with them are. Disney is scared **** less of the Chinese Government.

[MrDollarBills]

Shame by offering support for Pro Democracy protesters in HK?? What is shameful is the laughable response by the CCP.

Not exactly. It is difficult to explain as you need to be immersed in this type of a culture. In the more collectivist society, it is shameful to have put this much burden on the company that you are working for. In this case, Morey has caused a lot of grief and trouble for the NBA and there is a shame in that from the Eastern culture's POV. I am not even saying that this is correct (it seems a bit silly), but the proper thing for him to do under this context would be to resign. And the fact that he is not doing so would be irritating to the Chinese to say the least.

If 1 single deleted tweet causes this reaction from the CCP, maybe the NBA needs to re-consider it's goals in that market. Resigning would look even worse at this point, to bow down to the CCP censors...

The Chinese people don't have legal access to twitter, this is all on their government.

This isn't about the Chinese people. This is the CCP bringing one of their partners to heel. The fact that they had the audacity to say this:


https://www.businessinsider.com/china-suspend-nba-broadcasts-adam-silver-defend-daryl-morey-2019-10

"We believe that any speech challenging a country's national sovereignty and social stability is not within the scope of freedom of speech," CCTV added.

Says everything. This is a display of power, simple and plain. This should be condemned by not only the NBA, but the US Government.

[Blazers-1977]

China is pushing all its power everywhere. Don't know if everyone is aware of a similar scandal right now, involving the giant video game company Blizzard, which just banned for a full year a esport pro player named Blitzchung for supporting HK. They even freezed all his prize money (how can that be legal?...). Thus starting a massive campaing against them on Reddit/Twitter and so on.

Blizzard is terrified of China and losing market share there.

Most US Companies who are in bed with them are. Disney is scared **** less of the Chinese Government.

This is why CNBC should press CEO’s who do business with China on this issue . What is China gonna do ban every US corporation

[13th Man]

This has really become bigger than basketball or perhaps even money itself.

This is my opinion being pro-democracy. If China continues to over-react and not give in an inch, the NBA should walk away from China completely and tell them to go F themselves. We need to stand up for our values as well. Negotiating is about finding some middle ground while both parties have their integrity in tact. It simply cannot work if it's too one-sided....unless if you're willing to sell out or values and your integrity completely.

[bulliedog8]

Google "xinjiang muslims" and see what you find. It is unimaginable what they are doing to that population, and we are fortunate that that level of insanity doesn't exist in the US or Europe at such scale.

Here's a sample:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/06/asia/china-xinjiang-video-intl-hnk/index.html

What is funny is america is the least racist country in the world. Only the media goes out of their way to play up racism here and pit races against each other. Unfortunately people fall for it.

This isnt overly true. Physical racism may be down but systematic racism is still alive and well. And its only gotten worse with the current administration in office

I disagree with systematic racism. There are no rules or laws that hurt minorities in america. There is nothing about the system that has hurt me, my dad, my brothers, or any of my friends that are also minorities. Is there bias by those in the system? Yes, but that isnt the system itself. Just individuals, and there is bias against everyone, whether black, white, hispanic, asian, etc.

And there is no excuse nowadays not to be able to be successful if you are a minority. If youre a poor black in the inner cities, there are so many programs, scholarships, etc to help get you out. The big issue now a days is the government rewards single parenthood. We need more fathers in the picture, need 2 parent households. Give incentives for keeping families together, not tearing them apart.If I didnt have my dad around, I wouldnt be surprised if i ended up down the wrong path growing up. He made sure I stayed out of trouble.

Id love to see what other country in the world, you can be like a Gucci Mane, lil wayne, lebron, etc, and make it as big as they did. Outside of america, only soccer players make it that big. I bet we have more minority and women ceos, cfos, etc than any other country in the world too.

The only ones holding anyone back is themselves. If you cant make it in life, thats on you.

[E-Balla]

Umm... Yeah... I was saying the treatment of non Han Chinese people in mainland China is abysmal. Are you disagreeing with that?

Like seriously here you're speaking in some weird tongue that only you seem to understand...

You said you only felt comfortable criticizing China on their treatment of non-Hans. The unsaid corollary to that is you are uncomfortable discussing China’s treatment of those of Han nationality. I took exception to that.

No the unsaid corollary is that China's treatment of Han Chinese isn't bad so there's nothing to criticize there. Unless of course you know of some human rights issues concerning the government treatment of the accepted majority, in which case I'd love to read up on it. See how when you use your words you clear up misconceptions pretty simply?

[sikma42]

Why would you want to create a more hostile situation between the US and China. Wtf is your end goal? Do you want people to die

Blizzard is terrified of China and losing market share there.

Most US Companies who are in bed with them are. Disney is scared **** less of the Chinese Government.

This is why CNBC should press CEO’s who do business with China on this issue . What is China gonna do ban every US corporation

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