China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[MrDollarBills]

What is Steve kerrs and Pops opinion on this matter? Why are they so quiet? What about LeBron? Isn’t he the one who said he wouldn’t shut up and dribble. Why is he shutting up and dribbling when it comes to China?

Steve Kerr and pop have a big opinion on anything trump related but money talks and money is telling them to shut up and coach. Such hypocrites


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Kerr said he didn't know enough about the situation to comment on it. Lebron is in China, where they just arrested a Rockets fan for posting a picture of himself holding a lighter to a chinese flag. Now is not the time for Lebron to speak out against China. It's generally not a good idea to insult the country you're visiting.

LeBron is not just a random fan. LeBron is LeBron. It’s not the same thing. LeBron is also the one who went at trump and said he would not just shut up and dribble but damn China is making him shut up and dribble easily.





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so you want Lebron James to start **** talking the CCP when he is on their territory? What happens if they arrest Lebron James and detain him indefinitely?

This isn't as simple as you think. Authoritarians are bat **** crazy dude.

[ken6199]

What is Steve kerrs and Pops opinion on this matter? Why are they so quiet? What about LeBron? Isn’t he the one who said he wouldn’t shut up and dribble. Why is he shutting up and dribbling when it comes to China?

Steve Kerr and pop have a big opinion on anything trump related but money talks and money is telling them to shut up and coach. Such hypocrites


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Again, it's not as simple as "money talks", it's called consequence. If I see a homeless guy I will give him $1 without hesitation, but when I see that only 20 dollar bill in my wallet, I will pause for a second. I may or may not give it to him, depending on the situation (or simply my mood on that day). And can people accuse me for not having heart? Money talks right?

There is a thing called internet proportionality issue. Depending on the situation saying different things will lead to different consequences, so as a speaker, they absolutely have the right to choose to say something or choose to stay quiet. Matter of fact, Pop already spoke about his opinion on Silver which was just Pop's admiration on how Silver handled the whole thing. Doc Rivers also said he choose not to comment on Morey himself but believes people will have to pay for the consequences of their words. I think judging Kerr and Pop as hypocrites itself is already an act of being hypocritical because you are measuring them with a rule that says: if you talk about this, you have to talk about that because that's my standard on you.

Put it in a different way. What if Kerr says something that will cause thousands of people to lose their jobs? (which is exactly what Morey did, unintentionally of course).

So freedom and human rights don’t mean anything when money and jobs are involved? Steve Kerr and Pop are constantly talking about how things are bigger then basketball and that they shouldn’t just shut up and do their job. Is speaking out about a cause you believe in only the right thing when there are no consequences? If Kerr would get people fired for saying black lives matter should he have ignored that as well?

I understand your points and surprisingly I agree, I just find it hilarious that the only difference between when Kerr/pop try to be SJW and now is consequences.


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In simple words, yes, because the consequences is that big. You don't just build a product over 30 years and say F that Imma walk away because I think values are more important. There are so many things tied to it, and honestly I don't even know the consequences and ripple effect well enough to give a full measure but hell yeah it's gonna be huge, at least big enough to swallow a tweet for. Not writing a tweet for it doesn't mean human rights don't mean anything, just like me not giving that 20 dollar bill to that homeless guy doesn't mean I don't have humanity.

[Sixersftw]

Dunno if this was posted but apparently the Sixers kicked out 2 people supporting Hong Kong last night.

https://6abc.com/sports/sixers-fan-supporting-hong-kong-ejected-from-preseason-game/5604293/

The NBA has a general "no politics" rule but its not a great look.

You're going to see more reactions like this if the NBA buckles against the Chinese government. A foreign nation dictating what American freedom of speech should be is going to cause a lot more trouble for the NBA at home than they might think.

Absolutely. The NBA is in an impossible position currently. It's going to get ugly and not just for NBA. Any industry, with some reliance on Chinese money, with a vocal fan base/user base is in for some interesting times.

[flavio_93]

Again, it's not as simple as "money talks", it's called consequence. If I see a homeless guy I will give him $1 without hesitation, but when I see that only 20 dollar bill in my wallet, I will pause for a second. I may or may not give it to him, depending on the situation (or simply my mood on that day). And can people accuse me for not having heart? Money talks right?

There is a thing called internet proportionality issue. Depending on the situation saying different things will lead to different consequences, so as a speaker, they absolutely have the right to choose to say something or choose to stay quiet. Matter of fact, Pop already spoke about his opinion on Silver which was just Pop's admiration on how Silver handled the whole thing. Doc Rivers also said he choose not to comment on Morey himself but believes people will have to pay for the consequences of their words. I think judging Kerr and Pop as hypocrites itself is already an act of being hypocritical because you are measuring them with a rule that says: if you talk about this, you have to talk about that because that's my standard on you.

Put it in a different way. What if Kerr says something that will cause thousands of people to lose their jobs? (which is exactly what Morey did, unintentionally of course).

So freedom and human rights don’t mean anything when money and jobs are involved? Steve Kerr and Pop are constantly talking about how things are bigger then basketball and that they shouldn’t just shut up and do their job. Is speaking out about a cause you believe in only the right thing when there are no consequences? If Kerr would get people fired for saying black lives matter should he have ignored that as well?

I understand your points and surprisingly I agree, I just find it hilarious that the only difference between when Kerr/pop try to be SJW and now is consequences.


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In simple words, yes, because the consequences is that big. You don't just build a product over 30 years and say F that Imma walk away because I think values are more important. There are so many things tied to it, and honestly I don't even know the consequences and ripple effect well enough to fully comment but hell yeah it's gonna be huge, at least big enough to swallow a tweet for.

Yes I agree with you. The consequences are huge and if it was me I would not open my mouth at all especially since outraged like these are forgotten about in a month. I just find it funny how they’re being shown for being frauds. Next time they open their mouth about trump and try to fight human rights or equality on Twitter it’s going to be a joke cause they’re only doing it cause there are no consequences


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[Jabroni Lames]

Dunno if this was posted but apparently the Sixers kicked out 2 people supporting Hong Kong last night.

https://6abc.com/sports/sixers-fan-supporting-hong-kong-ejected-from-preseason-game/5604293/

The NBA has a general "no politics" rule but its not a great look.

Not sure how I feel about random fans bringing politics into the stadium. That could open up a Pandora''s box. Have to side with the NBA on this one. Daryl Morey's case is different - he's technically an NBA employee that can be more or less controlled.

[mtron929]

How about this analogy although I'm not sure of the equality in magnitude.

Speaking against their sovereignty is akin to making public racist remarks in America. How many examples of have we've witnessed of people getting fired or shunned for something they've expressed even years back? There are many examples of this in sports, entertainment and politics. Americans will do anything to try to bury you for something that you may have said or done 20 years back when it comes to race, but the Chinese are not allowed to react to something very sensitive to them right now?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

No one here is trying to change the behavior of China, that would obviously be hopeless.The only action we're evaluating right now is the NBA's response. Should the NBA punish its employee for personal opinions on his own time?

The comparison is, I guess, to Donald Sterling, who was pushed out due to his private racist comments. However, the difference is clear - the NBA ITSELF has a policy against racism, and it is therefore logical for them to enforce this. However, the NBA does not have its own policy against political protest, and it cannot be expected to enforce EVERYONE'S pet peeves. Saudi Arabia has an even stronger and more deeply-rooted societal hatred of female licentiousness, and they're obviously entitled, but that doesn't mean the NBA should enforce Saudi Arabia's preferences, and say, ban an assistant coach for posting a photo on Instagram of his girlfriend without a burka.

It's simply impossible for all private speech to be policed based upon the demands of all possible people, however heart-felt those demands are.

The analogy to Sterling is misleading here since he was the owner and as such, only the NBA had the power to oust him. With Morey, it is Fertitta who has the power to fire him and in most other circumstances, Morey would be fired for causing such a financial havoc. But Morey is actually being saved right now because this is such a unique situation and firing him would have unimaginable consequences that might really change the history of the world.

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[Sixersftw]

Dunno if this was posted but apparently the Sixers kicked out 2 people supporting Hong Kong last night.

https://6abc.com/sports/sixers-fan-supporting-hong-kong-ejected-from-preseason-game/5604293/

The NBA has a general "no politics" rule but its not a great look.

Not sure how I feel about random fans bringing politics into the stadium. That could open up a Pandora''s box. Have to side with the NBA on this one. Daryl Morey's case is different - he's technically an NBA employee that can be more or less controlled.

I definitely side with NBA generally on that rule but its certainly a bad look given the s***storm of the last week.

[ken6199]

So freedom and human rights don’t mean anything when money and jobs are involved? Steve Kerr and Pop are constantly talking about how things are bigger then basketball and that they shouldn’t just shut up and do their job. Is speaking out about a cause you believe in only the right thing when there are no consequences? If Kerr would get people fired for saying black lives matter should he have ignored that as well?

I understand your points and surprisingly I agree, I just find it hilarious that the only difference between when Kerr/pop try to be SJW and now is consequences.


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In simple words, yes, because the consequences is that big. You don't just build a product over 30 years and say F that Imma walk away because I think values are more important. There are so many things tied to it, and honestly I don't even know the consequences and ripple effect well enough to fully comment but hell yeah it's gonna be huge, at least big enough to swallow a tweet for.

Yes I agree with you. The consequences are huge and if it was me I would not open my mouth at all especially since outraged like these are forgotten about in a month. I just find it funny how they’re being shown for being frauds. Next time they open their mouth about trump and try to fight human rights or equality on Twitter it’s going to be a joke cause they’re only doing it cause there are no consequences


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Lol won't call it a joke but yeah, you always take those words with a grain of salt. Like I go accuse Harden for not moving enough? How the heck I know better than him. Same for the Kerrs and Pops talking about politics.

[Jcity08]

What is Steve kerrs and Pops opinion on this matter? Why are they so quiet? What about LeBron? Isn’t he the one who said he wouldn’t shut up and dribble. Why is he shutting up and dribbling when it comes to China?

Steve Kerr and pop have a big opinion on anything trump related but money talks and money is telling them to shut up and coach. Such hypocrites


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Kerr said he didn't know enough about the situation to comment on it. Lebron is in China, where they just arrested a Rockets fan for posting a picture of himself holding a lighter to a chinese flag. Now is not the time for Lebron to speak out against China. It's generally not a good idea to insult the country you're visiting.

LeBron is not just a random fan. LeBron is LeBron. It’s not the same thing. LeBron is also the one who went at trump and said he would not just shut up and dribble but damn China is making him shut up and dribble easily.





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Lebron not talking about the current incident with Moreys comments & HK, is literally a controversy you're creating out of nothing. Lebron can speak out about issues important to him and not speak out on other issues, thats not a hypocritical stance.

If a player has an issue, in the moment, about political/social issues within the borders of their country, they don't have to speak about every issue that is going on in every part of the world.

No one is going to look at Morey to speak on every new issue happening around the world, in perpetuity, because he made a comment on HK, or else he is a hypocrite. That would be considered insane.

Yes I agree with you. The consequences are huge and if it was me I would not open my mouth at all especially since outraged like these are forgotten about in a month. I just find it funny how they’re being shown for being frauds. Next time they open their mouth about trump and try to fight human rights or equality on Twitter it’s going to be a joke cause they’re only doing it cause there are no consequences


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Thats literally an insane stance to hold. and I hope you hold everyone in your life, including yourself and all public figures you support to that extreme metric.

[MotownMadness]

So freedom and human rights don’t mean anything when money and jobs are involved? Steve Kerr and Pop are constantly talking about how things are bigger then basketball and that they shouldn’t just shut up and do their job. Is speaking out about a cause you believe in only the right thing when there are no consequences? If Kerr would get people fired for saying black lives matter should he have ignored that as well?

I understand your points and surprisingly I agree, I just find it hilarious that the only difference between when Kerr/pop try to be SJW and now is consequences.


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In simple words, yes, because the consequences is that big. You don't just build a product over 30 years and say F that Imma walk away because I think values are more important. There are so many things tied to it, and honestly I don't even know the consequences and ripple effect well enough to fully comment but hell yeah it's gonna be huge, at least big enough to swallow a tweet for.

Yes I agree with you. The consequences are huge and if it was me I would not open my mouth at all especially since outraged like these are forgotten about in a month. I just find it funny how they’re being shown for being frauds. Next time they open their mouth about trump and try to fight human rights or equality on Twitter it’s going to be a joke cause they’re only doing it cause there are no consequences


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They are only gonna talk about something that benefits a democratic agenda.

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[MotownMadness]

Kerr said he didn't know enough about the situation to comment on it. Lebron is in China, where they just arrested a Rockets fan for posting a picture of himself holding a lighter to a chinese flag. Now is not the time for Lebron to speak out against China. It's generally not a good idea to insult the country you're visiting.

LeBron is not just a random fan. LeBron is LeBron. It’s not the same thing. LeBron is also the one who went at trump and said he would not just shut up and dribble but damn China is making him shut up and dribble easily.





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Lebron not talking about the current incident with Moreys comments & HK, is literally a controversy you're creating out of nothing. Lebron can speak out about issues important to him and not speak out on other issues, thats not a hypocritical stance.

If a player has an issue, in the moment, about political/social issues within the borders of their country, they don't have to speak about every issue that is going on in every part of the world.

No one is going to look at Morey to speak on every new issue happening around the world, in perpetuity, because he made a comment on HK, or else he is a hypocrite. That would be considered insane.

Nike probably sewed his mouth shut

[Myth]

LeBron is not just a random fan. LeBron is LeBron. It’s not the same thing. LeBron is also the one who went at trump and said he would not just shut up and dribble but damn China is making him shut up and dribble easily.





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Lebron not talking about the current incident with Moreys comments & HK, is literally a controversy you're creating out of nothing. Lebron can speak out about issues important to him and not speak out on other issues, thats not a hypocritical stance.

If a player has an issue, in the moment, about political/social issues within the borders of their country, they don't have to speak about every issue that is going on in every part of the world.

No one is going to look at Morey to speak on every new issue happening around the world, in perpetuity, because he made a comment on HK, or else he is a hypocrite. That would be considered insane.

Nike probably sewed his mouth shut

I believe LeBron did talk about it, but Nike confiscated the tape.

[AZNKidd]

How about this analogy although I'm not sure of the equality in magnitude.

Speaking against their sovereignty is akin to making public racist remarks in America. How many examples of have we've witnessed of people getting fired or shunned for something they've expressed even years back? There are many examples of this in sports, entertainment and politics. Americans will do anything to try to bury you for something that you may have said or done 20 years back when it comes to race, but the Chinese are not allowed to react to something very sensitive to them right now?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

No one here is trying to change the behavior of China, that would obviously be hopeless.The only action we're evaluating right now is the NBA's response. Should the NBA punish its employee for personal opinions on his own time?

The comparison is, I guess, to Donald Sterling, who was pushed out due to his private racist comments. However, the difference is clear - the NBA ITSELF has a policy against racism, and it is therefore logical for them to enforce this. However, the NBA does not have its own policy against political protest, and it cannot be expected to enforce EVERYONE'S pet peeves. Saudi Arabia has an even stronger and more deeply-rooted societal hatred of female licentiousness, and they're obviously entitled, but that doesn't mean the NBA should enforce Saudi Arabia's preferences, and say, ban an assistant coach for posting a photo on Instagram of his girlfriend without a burka.

It's simply impossible for all private speech to be policed based upon the demands of all possible people, however heart-felt those demands are.

The analogy to Sterling is misleading here since he was the owner and as such, only the NBA had the power to oust him. With Morey, it is Fertitta who has the power to fire him and in most other circumstances, Morey would be fired for causing such a financial havoc. But Morey is actually being saved right now because this is such a unique situation and firing him would have unimaginable consequences that might really change the history of the world.

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I think an actual precedent, more than an analogy, is the league protecting Kanter for his political views against the current Turkish regime to the extent that it allowed him to sit out games in Toronto.

[MrDollarBills]

Dunno if this was posted but apparently the Sixers kicked out 2 people supporting Hong Kong last night.

https://6abc.com/sports/sixers-fan-supporting-hong-kong-ejected-from-preseason-game/5604293/

The NBA has a general "no politics" rule but its not a great look.

You're going to see more reactions like this if the NBA buckles against the Chinese government. A foreign nation dictating what American freedom of speech should be is going to cause a lot more trouble for the NBA at home than they might think.

Absolutely. The NBA is in an impossible position currently. It's going to get ugly and not just for NBA. Any industry, with some reliance on Chinese money, with a vocal fan base/user base is in for some interesting times.

Yep. That video game publisher Blizzard is already catching heat for kowtowing to the Chinese government by banning a player from competitive gaming play over pro HK support.

I don't think it matters what end of the political spectrum someone is on, Americans aren't going to take lightly to China trying to tell us what we can and cannot say.

[BlueSan]

A Basketball game is not a place to go into political debates and sensitive topics like HK, the fan was rightfully ejected.

And when California wants out of USA which is their constitutional right, you can be 100% sure, the stance will be the same, same for Catalonia from Spain, Scotland from UK etc...

Let us not be hypocritical about it just cause it is China

[AZNKidd]

The problem is that for companies to do business in a another country, it must follow the country’s way to doing things, ie it’s rules and norms. This is where it gets dicey with HK. HK is an independent autonomous region in China where it gets to deals with their own domestic affairs. China doesn’t get to censor their media or use their own forceful ways to crackdown on dissenting views. This is where it gets tricky and puts the CCP and local government in a bind and the reason why the protests have gone on for so long. The local government can’t give in to protestors at this pint without pissing off CCP leadership, at the same time they can’t use the CCP way of censoring and forceful crackdowns.

For foreign democratic governments, this should be bright line. But for businesses invested in China it isn’t because of what I said in the first sentence.

[MrDollarBills]

A Basketball game is not a place to go into political debates and sensitive topics like HK, the fan was rightfully ejected.

And when California wants out of USA which is their constitutional right, you can be 100% sure, the stance will be the same, same for Catalonia from Spain, Scotland from UK etc...

Let us not be hypocritical about it just cause it is China

The very notion of California wanting out of the US is a Russian propaganda campaign. It's false.

[kg01]

Kerr said he didn't know enough about the situation to comment on it. Lebron is in China, where they just arrested a Rockets fan for posting a picture of himself holding a lighter to a chinese flag. Now is not the time for Lebron to speak out against China. It's generally not a good idea to insult the country you're visiting.

LeBron is not just a random fan. LeBron is LeBron. It’s not the same thing. LeBron is also the one who went at trump and said he would not just shut up and dribble but damn China is making him shut up and dribble easily.


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so you want Lebron James to start **** talking the CCP when he is on their territory? What happens if they arrest Lebron James and detain him indefinitely?

This isn't as simple as you think. Authoritarians are bat **** crazy dude.

Great point. If I'm them dudes in China, you won't hear me say a word until I safely de-plane in the States.

I'd 'no comment' my way through that trip if I'm them. F all the folks lookin' for response(s). Those'll be the same dudes feigning outrage then ultimately losing interest if I get tossed in a dark room for a couple years for "questioning the soverignty of the Republic" or whatever.

[Jabroni Lames]

Lebron not talking about the current incident with Moreys comments & HK, is literally a controversy you're creating out of nothing. Lebron can speak out about issues important to him and not speak out on other issues, thats not a hypocritical stance.

If a player has an issue, in the moment, about political/social issues within the borders of their country, they don't have to speak about every issue that is going on in every part of the world.

No one is going to look at Morey to speak on every new issue happening around the world, in perpetuity, because he made a comment on HK, or else he is a hypocrite. That would be considered insane.

Nike probably sewed his mouth shut

I believe LeBron did talk about it, but Nike confiscated the tape.

Official statement from Lebron and Rich Paul was located...