China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[lakerz12]

I’m surprised they kicked them out. Is that typical for any protest signs? Like if someone bought a ticket to an NBA game and sat there with an anti-abortion sign or something like that, would they be asked to leave? I’m not sure. If it’s not policy to kick out people w/ signs that aren’t NBA related, it’s wrong.

Agreed. That is just stupid and borderlining on racist imo. Minus points for the Sixers organization, just plain stupidity and selling out. The NBA is all over the map with this, very disappointing.

Do you support Americans having a voice or not? Or only on certain issues that suits your stance? Disgusting.

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we allow free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

[seewhy]

But HK is not protesting for independence. They are protesting for Universal Suffrage and against Police Brutality. They want to become California, part of the USA, but a self governed state.

It is CCP that put out "HK Independence" as their defensive argument.

yeah yeah, just like those rioters are never violent, never did occupied airport and never threw firebombs at police. I guess people will always want to see and believe what they want.

Yeah, Yeah, the dirty cops did not use live bullet, no one were beaten to the point of brain hemorrhage,
the taxi driver did not drive straight into a group of protesters, 8964 never happen, every minority in China suddenly speak perfect Chinese, cultural revolution completely change China into a communist state and Great Leap Forward was a great success and did not caused a famine.

I guess CCP will always want people to see and believe what they want.

Right, those "dirty cop" just beat peaceful demonstrator without any reason. Did you even see the video on Youtube where the rioter who got shot was charging the police with a stick? And what year was cultural revolution and great leap forward again and what year is it today? But I get it, you hate China and CCP. Have fun and believe what you want.

[seewhy]

Agreed. That is just stupid and borderlining on racist imo. Minus points for the Sixers organization, just plain stupidity and selling out. The NBA is all over the map with this, very disappointing.

Do you support Americans having a voice or not? Or only on certain issues that suits your stance? Disgusting.

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we tolerate free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

And you are Chinese and the visiting team so you know those sign aren't insulting to them?

By the way, you may want to check up on the limitation on free speech. The Supreme Court upheld a state law prohibiting one person from insulting or defaming another on a public street. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire,315 U.S. 568 (1942)

[xdrta+]

Americans: China absolutely overreacted over Daryl Morey's tweet.
Also Americans: Going **** over unsubstantiated allegations about "Russian meddling" in the US elections.

Unsubstantiated, except for those who did substantiate it. Like US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation made into it. Oh, except by Russia and Trump, they deny it, I'll give you that.

[AZNKidd]

yeah yeah, just like those rioters are never violent, never did occupied airport and never threw firebombs at police. I guess people will always want to see and believe what they want.

Yeah, Yeah, the dirty cops did not use live bullet, no one were beaten to the point of brain hemorrhage,
the taxi driver did not drive straight into a group of protesters, 8964 never happen, every minority in China suddenly speak perfect Chinese, cultural revolution completely change China into a communist state and Great Leap Forward was a great success and did not caused a famine.

I guess CCP will always want people to see and believe what they want.

Right, those "dirty cop" just beat peaceful demonstrator without any reason. Did you even see the video on Youtube where the rioter who got shot was charging the police with a stick? And what year was cultural revolution and great leap forward again and what year is it today? But I get it, you hate China and CCP. Have fun and believe what you want.

The last I checked Chairman Mao’s portrait is still hanging prominently in tiananmen square and I don’t think I need to mention his role in the cultural revolution and the Great Leap Forward. And if you fail to recognize the difference between China the country and culture versus CCP the political entity, then continue on living in your Communist media propaganda bubble.

[seewhy]

Yeah, Yeah, the dirty cops did not use live bullet, no one were beaten to the point of brain hemorrhage,
the taxi driver did not drive straight into a group of protesters, 8964 never happen, every minority in China suddenly speak perfect Chinese, cultural revolution completely change China into a communist state and Great Leap Forward was a great success and did not caused a famine.

I guess CCP will always want people to see and believe what they want.

Right, those "dirty cop" just beat peaceful demonstrator without any reason. Did you even see the video on Youtube where the rioter who got shot was charging the police with a stick? And what year was cultural revolution and great leap forward again and what year is it today? But I get it, you hate China and CCP. Have fun and believe what you want.

The last I checked Chairman Mao’s portrait is still hanging prominently in tiananmen square and I don’t think I need to mention his role in the cultural revolution and the Great Leap Forward. And if you fail to recognize the difference between China the country and culture versus CCP the political entity, then continue on living in your Communist media propaganda bubble.

Yes you got bunch of George Washington pictures around and the America is still the same as 17-somthing. Great logic there.

[13th Man]

Agreed. That is just stupid and borderlining on racist imo. Minus points for the Sixers organization, just plain stupidity and selling out. The NBA is all over the map with this, very disappointing.

Do you support Americans having a voice or not? Or only on certain issues that suits your stance? Disgusting.

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we allow free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

Plus they are playing in America. Why should we cower to them in our own backyard? Lol.

Don't put out a statement that you support Morey's freedom of expression then kick out your own people from the games while endorsing other SJW agendas. All over the map.

[Fable]

Americans: China absolutely overreacted over Daryl Morey's tweet.
Also Americans: Going **** over unsubstantiated allegations about "Russian meddling" in the US elections.

Unsubstantiated, except for those who did substantiate it. Like US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation made into it. Oh, except by Russia and Trump, they deny it, I'll give you that.

Since you're a very knowledgeable person and have "US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation" behind you. Go on. Substantiate it. Give me and Americans evidence. Sources.
No. Steele dossier about "golden showers" doesn't count.
Remember how Mueller was going to prove Trump collusion with Russia? I remember how Democrats pinned everything on Mueller and "collusion with Putin".

[13th Man]

Americans: China absolutely overreacted over Daryl Morey's tweet.
Also Americans: Going **** over unsubstantiated allegations about "Russian meddling" in the US elections.

Unsubstantiated, except for those who did substantiate it. Like US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation made into it. Oh, except by Russia and Trump, they deny it, I'll give you that.

You mean all of the investigations and reports which were proven to be shams? Just wait for the Durham report, the real corruption will be exposed.

[clyde21]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslim-camps.html

Do you blame this on European colonialism as well?

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

Ok but are you giving China a pass there on what they are doing just because they are not European?

I do think China's response to the HK protestors does have some after effects of being screwed over by Europeans in the past but I can't think of any remote justification to what they are doing to the Uyghurs and that story should be the one dominating the news.

what? i have been talking about the Uyghurs this entire time...my entire point is that everyone's a hypocrite because now all of the sudden they care about 'human rights' and 'freedom' when it comes to Hong Kong but China has been committing genocide against Uyghers for YEARS and no one has batted an eye...NBA was playing NBA games miles away from where China has been putting them in internment camps...you didn't see that on the news tho...because, again, selective outrage depending on who the victim is..and if the victims are Muslim everyone tends to ignore it, like they've been ignoring Palestine for 7 decades and how they've been ignoring the MILLIONS of dead/refugees across the entire Middle East the last 20 years at the hands of western-colonialism.

[LofJ]

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we allow free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

Plus they are playing in America. Why should we cower to them in our own backyard? Lol.

Don't put out a statement that you support Morey's freedom of expression then kick out your own people from the games while endorsing other SJW agendas. All over the map.

I wonder if the reaction would have been different if they brought "Free Tibet!" signs to the game instead?

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

More trash form China:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7553127/Even-death-Uighurs-feel-long-reach-Chinese-state.html

[madmaxmedia]

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we tolerate free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

And you are Chinese and the visiting team so you know those sign aren't insulting to them?

By the way, you may want to check up on the limitation on free speech. The Supreme Court upheld a state law prohibiting one person from insulting or defaming another on a public street. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire,315 U.S. 568 (1942)

So anything that anybody says is subject to possibly being prohibited? Not in this country.

Besides, not all Chinese support the all of the government's actions.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/asia/houston-rockets-fan-arrested-china-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

I am thankful Morey's tweet has brought this all to the forefront, if only as a opportunity for discourse on all of this. Not just specifically about Hong Kong, but about free speech. If we can't have free speech, we don't have the opportunity to actually discuss and share our views with other people.

[lakerz12]

They are playing with a Chinese team (Guangzhou Loong Lions). What about respecting your foreign guests and make them feel welcomed in your arena? That's not something American do anymore?

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we tolerate free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

And you are Chinese and the visiting team so you know those sign aren't insulting to them?

By the way, you may want to check up on the limitation on free speech. The Supreme Court upheld a state law prohibiting one person from insulting or defaming another on a public street. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire,315 U.S. 568 (1942)

I doubt they saw the signs or cared even if they saw them.

The case you cited has nothing to do with this. "Chaplinsky called the town marshal "a God-damned racketeer" and "a damned Fascist." He was arrested and convicted under a state law that prohibited intentionally offensive, derisive, or annoying speech to any person who is lawfully in a street or public area."

In that case "The Court identified certain categorical exceptions to First Amendment protections, including obscenities, certain profane and slanderous speech, and "fighting words." https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/315us568

"Free Hong Kong" and "Free HK" are not obscene, profane, slanderous, "fighting words", etc. and they are not even addressed to anyone. They are just a peaceful demonstration.

Here's a link to the First Amendment. You should read it: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

[clyde21]

More trash form China:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7553127/Even-death-Uighurs-feel-long-reach-Chinese-state.html

they've been doing this for years, unreported in the mainstream media. NBA knew this was happening and they were still expanding in China.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Americans: China absolutely overreacted over Daryl Morey's tweet.
Also Americans: Going **** over unsubstantiated allegations about "Russian meddling" in the US elections.

Unsubstantiated, except for those who did substantiate it. Like US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation made into it. Oh, except by Russia and Trump, they deny it, I'll give you that.

Since you're a very knowledgeable person and have "US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation" behind you. Go on. Substantiate it. Give me and Americans evidence. Sources.
No. Steele dossier about "golden showers" doesn't count.
Remember how Mueller was going to prove Trump collusion with Russia? I remember how Democrats pinned everything on Mueller and "collusion with Putin".

The Russians have been accused of similar meddling in France and Germany, too.
And he's right that all the intelligence agencies and the Mueller Report claimed it was conclusive that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. There were even indictments issued in relation to it.
So there is mounds of evidence, and the Steele Dossier has nothing to do with any of it. Not sure why anyone would deny it at this point, unless they believe in some global conspiracy to besmirch a blameless Russia, which, frankly, is beyond farfetched.

[PD28]

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

Ok but are you giving China a pass there on what they are doing just because they are not European?

I do think China's response to the HK protestors does have some after effects of being screwed over by Europeans in the past but I can't think of any remote justification to what they are doing to the Uyghurs and that story should be the one dominating the news.

what? i have been talking about the Uyghurs this entire time...my entire point is that everyone's a hypocrite because now all of the sudden they care about 'human rights' and 'freedom' when it comes to Hong Kong but China has been committing genocide against Uyghers for YEARS and no one has batted an eye...NBA was playing NBA games miles away from where China has been putting them in internment camps...you didn't see that on the news tho...because, again, selective outrage depending on who the victim is..and if the victims are Muslim everyone tends to ignore it, like they've been ignoring Palestine for 7 decades and how they've been ignoring the MILLIONS of dead/refugees across the entire Middle East the last 20 years.

Why not see this in a positive light instead? Maybe if enough people support HK, and the pressure makes some sort of positive change, it may lead to people focusing on the other issues in China? My parents were also from a third world country that faced a genocide that no other country helped to put an end to but that doesn't make me callous and say I won't voice my opinion for anyone else suffering across the world. The world isn't perfect, and should there be just as much outrage for Uyghurs? Yes. The Stealing of Organs? Yes. But I think its worth supporting whichever is picking up steam at the moment to get the ball rolling.

[AZNKidd]

no, I blame euro colonialism on what's happening in Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and half of South America tho

Ok but are you giving China a pass there on what they are doing just because they are not European?

I do think China's response to the HK protestors does have some after effects of being screwed over by Europeans in the past but I can't think of any remote justification to what they are doing to the Uyghurs and that story should be the one dominating the news.

what? i have been talking about the Uyghurs this entire time...my entire point is that everyone's a hypocrite because now all of the sudden they care about 'human rights' and 'freedom' when it comes to Hong Kong but China has been committing genocide against Uyghers for YEARS and no one has batted an eye...NBA was playing NBA games miles away from where China has been putting them in internment camps...you didn't see that on the news tho...because, again, selective outrage depending on who the victim is..and if the victims are Muslim everyone tends to ignore it, like they've been ignoring Palestine for 7 decades and how they've been ignoring the MILLIONS of dead/refugees across the entire Middle East the last 20 years.

The contrast between the Uygher genocide and HK protests should raise alarms around the world about the dangers of media censorship, which is exactly the issue facing the NBA at hand. On one hand, there is some truth that Euro centric colonialism has something to do with the lack of past media attention to the genocide of Muslims and other minority ethnic group (also see eg Myanmar), but one big if not the biggest reason the HK movement has taken so much international interest is because there is no media censorship in HK which gives them a voice. The Ugyhers don’t have a voice and activists in China are either improsoned or killed, let alone getting any Chinese media exposure. This is the major major issue the NBA needs to realize if they want to operate in the China market.

[clyde21]

Ok but are you giving China a pass there on what they are doing just because they are not European?

I do think China's response to the HK protestors does have some after effects of being screwed over by Europeans in the past but I can't think of any remote justification to what they are doing to the Uyghurs and that story should be the one dominating the news.

what? i have been talking about the Uyghurs this entire time...my entire point is that everyone's a hypocrite because now all of the sudden they care about 'human rights' and 'freedom' when it comes to Hong Kong but China has been committing genocide against Uyghers for YEARS and no one has batted an eye...NBA was playing NBA games miles away from where China has been putting them in internment camps...you didn't see that on the news tho...because, again, selective outrage depending on who the victim is..and if the victims are Muslim everyone tends to ignore it, like they've been ignoring Palestine for 7 decades and how they've been ignoring the MILLIONS of dead/refugees across the entire Middle East the last 20 years.

Why not see this in a positive light instead? Maybe if enough people support HK, and the pressure makes some sort of positive change, it may lead to people focusing on the other issues in China? My parents were also from a third world country that faced a genocide that no other country helped to put an end to but that doesn't make me callous and say I won't voice my opinion for anyone else suffering across the world. The world isn't perfect, and should there be just as much outrage for Uyghurs? Yes. The Stealing of Organs? Yes. But I think its worth supporting whichever is picking up steam at the moment to get the ball rolling.

it shouldn't take protests in Hong Kong (2K miles away) to shed light on a literal holocaust happening Xinjiang, that's called the mainstream media purposely not doing its job. Xinjiang is the actual story here.

even now the entire talk has been about Hong Kong, not a single mention of Xinjiang or the Uyghers anywhere.

[madmaxmedia]

Straw man argument.

No one is saying the signs represent ideal behavior.

The point is that it should be tolerated because in America we tolerate free speech even if it's uncomfortable, wrong or innapropriate.

And these signs aren't even insulting or offensive.

And you are Chinese and the visiting team so you know those sign aren't insulting to them?

By the way, you may want to check up on the limitation on free speech. The Supreme Court upheld a state law prohibiting one person from insulting or defaming another on a public street. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire,315 U.S. 568 (1942)

I doubt they saw the signs or cared even if they saw them.

The case you cited has nothing to do with this. "Chaplinsky called the town marshal "a God-damned racketeer" and "a damned Fascist." He was arrested and convicted under a state law that prohibited intentionally offensive, derisive, or annoying speech to any person who is lawfully in a street or public area."

In that case "The Court identified certain categorical exceptions to First Amendment protections, including obscenities, certain profane and slanderous speech, and "fighting words." https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/315us568

"Free Hong Kong" and "Free HK" are not obscene, profane, slanderous, "fighting words", etc. and they are not even addressed to anyone. They are just a peaceful demonstration.

Here's a link to the First Amendment. You should read it: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

I imagine this to be the case. Hypothetically, if the coach of a foreign visiting team asked the officials if certain signs could be removed, I would lean towards or at least consider doing so. But I don't believe that was reported to have happened here.