China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[JunkYardDog6ix]

Since you're a very knowledgeable person and have "US intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Mueller Report, and every other investigation" behind you. Go on. Substantiate it. Give me and Americans evidence. Sources.
No. Steele dossier about "golden showers" doesn't count.
Remember how Mueller was going to prove Trump collusion with Russia? I remember how Democrats pinned everything on Mueller and "collusion with Putin".

The Russians have been accused of similar meddling in France and Germany, too.
And he's right that all the intelligence agencies and the Mueller Report claimed it was conclusive that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. There were even indictments issued in relation to it.
So there is mounds of evidence, and the Steele Dossier has nothing to do with any of it. Not sure why anyone would deny it at this point, unless they believe in some global conspiracy to besmirch a blameless Russia, which, frankly, is beyond farfetched.

Not true. The entire premise for even investigating and obtaining FISA warrants (clear abuse of power) was centered on an unsubstantiated Steele Dossier. Without the FISA warrants, no investigation happens. When your evidence of something is "US intelligence agencies say it's true" or "People were charged for it"... you clearly don't understand what evidence is. The US government deals with plenty of it's own corruption and abuse of power and REGULARLY brings down it's political enemies with trumped up or false charges. It's literally a past time for the FBI and CIA. It's a huge reason multiple presidents like JFK have gone to war with intelligence agencies and their unchecked abuse of power. Appeal to authority fallacy doesn't mean something is true.

I'm a registered Democrat (who's gotten more conservative as I've hit my 30's) and anyone with any sort of ability to look at this situation with an open mind, and fact find for themselves can see the coup attempt here. I am someone who rooted against Trump and saw this corruption by the intelligence agencies, media etc and now find myself defending him half of the time. This was the most brazen coup attempt in USA history. I never thought we'd see a Banana Republic here or a witch hunt like you typically see in "3rd world" elections. The "law and order" of this country has become... make an accusation with zero evidence, then FIND a crime later, move the goal post and charge someone.

People don't understand that China, Korea, Russia, USA, UK, Poland etc all try to hack each other and sway elections every day. The charges in the Russia investigation were based on moved goal posts. The original premise was "Trump worked with Russia to hack/alter an election and win". That moved to "obstruction" or using social media to influence people (then they found out that a ton of these ads/bots were PRO DNC and the topic died quickly. Now they are using Ukraine, the bitter enemy of Russia as his way of cheating!? Nobody sees how laughable this is? China actually killed thousands of our assets, continuously abuses us on trade and financially, is caught spying on us constantly and yet "Muh Russia!" is everything people want to talk about. Snowden exposed our brutal spying and abuse of power in Germany and instead of being held accountable we started a historic manhunt to try to bring the guy down. Assange is facing multiple life sentences/extradition for releasing information that is seemingly accurate. I don't see why we would be trying SO hard to capture/destroy guys like Snowden/Assange if they were just spilling some crazy conspiracy theories. That is NOT how a democracy or sound legal system is supposed to work. The whole goal is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

Look at this stupid random whistleblower controversy. One whistleblower was exposed as a Democrat operative basically, then suddenly they put another forward defended by the same lawyer, as if that changes anything. Same thing happens with sexual accusers. When one is proven to be unreliable, they simply throw 3 new ones out of nowhere to attack whoever the target is. How about we stop coming to conclusions or taking sides without sound evidence?

As Chuck Schumer famously said... Democrat Sen. Chuck Schumer spoke of in glee, in response to then-president-elect Trump’s criticism of U.S. intelligence agencies. “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s host Rachel Maddow.

This is basically admitting that they will target political enemies and seek revenge.

Russia absolutely is not our friends and surely wants to see us fail and collapse. So does China, NOKO, Iran.. and honestly probably half of the world. The USA is no better in this regard either. Everyone is after power.

Well said, democrats have been a complete joke with their witch hunts and they are only helping Trump's re-election campaign. It amazes me the amount of time they have been wasting trying to impeach Trump instead of doing their jobs and serving their country and letting him do his

[JunkYardDog6ix]

The Russians have been accused of similar meddling in France and Germany, too.
And he's right that all the intelligence agencies and the Mueller Report claimed it was conclusive that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. There were even indictments issued in relation to it.
So there is mounds of evidence, and the Steele Dossier has nothing to do with any of it. Not sure why anyone would deny it at this point, unless they believe in some global conspiracy to besmirch a blameless Russia, which, frankly, is beyond farfetched.

Not true. The entire premise for even investigating and obtaining FISA warrants (clear abuse of power) was centered on an unsubstantiated Steele Dossier. Without the FISA warrants, no investigation happens. When your evidence of something is "US intelligence agencies say it's true" or "People were charged for it"... you clearly don't understand what evidence is. The US government deals with plenty of it's own corruption and abuse of power and REGULARLY brings down it's political enemies with trumped up or false charges. It's literally a past time for the FBI and CIA. It's a huge reason multiple presidents like JFK have gone to war with intelligence agencies and their unchecked abuse of power. Appeal to authority fallacy doesn't mean something is true.

I'm a registered Democrat (who's gotten more conservative as I've hit my 30's) and anyone with any sort of ability to look at this situation with an open mind, and fact find for themselves can see the coup attempt here. I am someone who rooted against Trump and saw this corruption by the intelligence agencies, media etc and now find myself defending him half of the time. This was the most brazen coup attempt in USA history. I never thought we'd see a Banana Republic here or a witch hunt like you typically see in "3rd world" elections. The "law and order" of this country has become... make an accusation with zero evidence, then FIND a crime later, move the goal post and charge someone.

People don't understand that China, Korea, Russia, USA, UK, Poland etc all try to hack each other and sway elections every day. The charges in the Russia investigation were based on moved goal posts. The original premise was "Trump worked with Russia to hack/alter an election and win". That moved to "obstruction" or using social media to influence people (then they found out that a ton of these ads/bots were PRO DNC and the topic died quickly. Now they are using Ukraine, the bitter enemy of Russia as his way of cheating!? Nobody sees how laughable this is? China actually killed thousands of our assets, continuously abuses us on trade and financially, is caught spying on us constantly and yet "Muh Russia!" is everything people want to talk about. Snowden exposed our brutal spying and abuse of power in Germany and instead of being held accountable we started a historic manhunt to try to bring the guy down. Assange is facing multiple life sentences/extradition for releasing information that is seemingly accurate. I don't see why we would be trying SO hard to capture/destroy guys like Snowden/Assange if they were just spilling some crazy conspiracy theories. That is NOT how a democracy or sound legal system is supposed to work. The whole goal is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

Look at this stupid random whistleblower controversy. One whistleblower was exposed as a Democrat operative basically, then suddenly they put another forward defended by the same lawyer, as if that changes anything. Same thing happens with sexual accusers. When one is proven to be unreliable, they simply throw 3 new ones out of nowhere to attack whoever the target is. How about we stop coming to conclusions or taking sides without sound evidence?

As Chuck Schumer famously said... Democrat Sen. Chuck Schumer spoke of in glee, in response to then-president-elect Trump’s criticism of U.S. intelligence agencies. “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s host Rachel Maddow.

This is basically admitting that they will target political enemies and seek revenge.

Russia absolutely is not our friends and surely wants to see us fail and collapse. So does China, NOKO, Iran.. and honestly probably half of the world. The USA is no better in this regard either. Everyone is after power.

You fail to mention that Trump is a pathological liar who says things everyday that are impeachable on its face.

Every situation that comes up Trump exacerbates by whining like a little boy, attacking anybody who opposes him, perpetuating unsubstantiated conspiracies, and even admitting to do something and then deflecting it by attacking everyone else.

This dude invites foreign leaders to the White House lawn and starts complaining about the media, crowd sizes, Obama, and Hilary.

He tweets every 15 minutes, instead of doing his job. The dude really watching the media the entire day, and lashes out against anyone who criticizes him and then praises anyone who supports him.

That's the real issue here.

Lol amazing point of view , that has been the Democrats mindset since they lost the election . Stop crying about Trump and let him be president, if the Democrats weren't trying to impeach him everyday he wouldn't have to defend himself everyday

[cursedsportsfan]

Not true. The entire premise for even investigating and obtaining FISA warrants (clear abuse of power) was centered on an unsubstantiated Steele Dossier. Without the FISA warrants, no investigation happens. When your evidence of something is "US intelligence agencies say it's true" or "People were charged for it"... you clearly don't understand what evidence is. The US government deals with plenty of it's own corruption and abuse of power and REGULARLY brings down it's political enemies with trumped up or false charges. It's literally a past time for the FBI and CIA. It's a huge reason multiple presidents like JFK have gone to war with intelligence agencies and their unchecked abuse of power. Appeal to authority fallacy doesn't mean something is true.

I'm a registered Democrat (who's gotten more conservative as I've hit my 30's) and anyone with any sort of ability to look at this situation with an open mind, and fact find for themselves can see the coup attempt here. I am someone who rooted against Trump and saw this corruption by the intelligence agencies, media etc and now find myself defending him half of the time. This was the most brazen coup attempt in USA history. I never thought we'd see a Banana Republic here or a witch hunt like you typically see in "3rd world" elections. The "law and order" of this country has become... make an accusation with zero evidence, then FIND a crime later, move the goal post and charge someone.

People don't understand that China, Korea, Russia, USA, UK, Poland etc all try to hack each other and sway elections every day. The charges in the Russia investigation were based on moved goal posts. The original premise was "Trump worked with Russia to hack/alter an election and win". That moved to "obstruction" or using social media to influence people (then they found out that a ton of these ads/bots were PRO DNC and the topic died quickly. Now they are using Ukraine, the bitter enemy of Russia as his way of cheating!? Nobody sees how laughable this is? China actually killed thousands of our assets, continuously abuses us on trade and financially, is caught spying on us constantly and yet "Muh Russia!" is everything people want to talk about. Snowden exposed our brutal spying and abuse of power in Germany and instead of being held accountable we started a historic manhunt to try to bring the guy down. Assange is facing multiple life sentences/extradition for releasing information that is seemingly accurate. I don't see why we would be trying SO hard to capture/destroy guys like Snowden/Assange if they were just spilling some crazy conspiracy theories. That is NOT how a democracy or sound legal system is supposed to work. The whole goal is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

Look at this stupid random whistleblower controversy. One whistleblower was exposed as a Democrat operative basically, then suddenly they put another forward defended by the same lawyer, as if that changes anything. Same thing happens with sexual accusers. When one is proven to be unreliable, they simply throw 3 new ones out of nowhere to attack whoever the target is. How about we stop coming to conclusions or taking sides without sound evidence?

As Chuck Schumer famously said... Democrat Sen. Chuck Schumer spoke of in glee, in response to then-president-elect Trump’s criticism of U.S. intelligence agencies. “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s host Rachel Maddow.

This is basically admitting that they will target political enemies and seek revenge.

Russia absolutely is not our friends and surely wants to see us fail and collapse. So does China, NOKO, Iran.. and honestly probably half of the world. The USA is no better in this regard either. Everyone is after power.

You fail to mention that Trump is a pathological liar who says things everyday that are impeachable on its face.

Every situation that comes up Trump exacerbates by whining like a little boy, attacking anybody who opposes him, perpetuating unsubstantiated conspiracies, and even admitting to do something and then deflecting it by attacking everyone else.

This dude invites foreign leaders to the White House lawn and starts complaining about the media, crowd sizes, Obama, and Hilary.

He tweets every 15 minutes, instead of doing his job. The dude really watching the media the entire day, and lashes out against anyone who criticizes him and then praises anyone who supports him.

That's the real issue here.

Lol amazing point of view , that has been the Democrats mindset since they lost the election . Stop crying about Trump and let him be president, if the Democrats weren't trying to impeach him everyday he wouldn't have to defend himself everyday

You guys are gonna get this thread shut down. Enough with the Democrat/Republican mud slinging.

I say we bring our boys home and cancel the remaining games.

[Buzzard]

What is Steve kerrs and Pops opinion on this matter? Why are they so quiet? What about LeBron? Isn’t he the one who said he wouldn’t shut up and dribble. Why is he shutting up and dribbling when it comes to China?

Steve Kerr and pop have a big opinion on anything trump related but money talks and money is telling them to shut up and coach. Such hypocrites


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This. Though, it's expected from Lebron who is the biggest front runner there ever is. Of course he would stfu and bend his ass over for China.

Here is something funny as hell. The NBA and the Players want to move away from the term team "owner" because it insinuates slavery; yet on the topic of real slave labor they prefer to stay mum and make money off of it.

[clyde21]

More trash form China:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7553127/Even-death-Uighurs-feel-long-reach-Chinese-state.html

they've been doing this for years, unreported in the mainstream media. NBA knew this was happening and they were still expanding in China.

HK get attention because HK still has a free press and most important, uncensored internet.

The Uighurs could not get their messages out of the CCP's firewall. I am not sure what we can do about it.

what are you talking about? Twitter has been reporting on Xinjiand and the Uyghurs for years, independent media like Grayzone and Intercept have reported it on multiple times:

https://theintercept.com/2018/08/13/china-muslims-uighur-detention/

https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

please tell me why these independent outlets were able to report on it but not CNN/Fox/MSNBC? it has nothing to do with censorship. the information is there. it's all over Twitter. these mainstream news outlets just CHOOSE not to report on them.

[OkcSinceSGA]

The Russians have been accused of similar meddling in France and Germany, too.
And he's right that all the intelligence agencies and the Mueller Report claimed it was conclusive that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. There were even indictments issued in relation to it.
So there is mounds of evidence, and the Steele Dossier has nothing to do with any of it. Not sure why anyone would deny it at this point, unless they believe in some global conspiracy to besmirch a blameless Russia, which, frankly, is beyond farfetched.

Not true. The entire premise for even investigating and obtaining FISA warrants (clear abuse of power) was centered on an unsubstantiated Steele Dossier. Without the FISA warrants, no investigation happens. When your evidence of something is "US intelligence agencies say it's true" or "People were charged for it"... you clearly don't understand what evidence is. The US government deals with plenty of it's own corruption and abuse of power and REGULARLY brings down it's political enemies with trumped up or false charges. It's literally a past time for the FBI and CIA. It's a huge reason multiple presidents like JFK have gone to war with intelligence agencies and their unchecked abuse of power. Appeal to authority fallacy doesn't mean something is true.

I'm a registered Democrat (who's gotten more conservative as I've hit my 30's) and anyone with any sort of ability to look at this situation with an open mind, and fact find for themselves can see the coup attempt here. I am someone who rooted against Trump and saw this corruption by the intelligence agencies, media etc and now find myself defending him half of the time. This was the most brazen coup attempt in USA history. I never thought we'd see a Banana Republic here or a witch hunt like you typically see in "3rd world" elections. The "law and order" of this country has become... make an accusation with zero evidence, then FIND a crime later, move the goal post and charge someone.

People don't understand that China, Korea, Russia, USA, UK, Poland etc all try to hack each other and sway elections every day. The charges in the Russia investigation were based on moved goal posts. The original premise was "Trump worked with Russia to hack/alter an election and win". That moved to "obstruction". Now they are using Ukraine, the bitter enemy of Russia as his way of cheating!? Nobody sees how laughable this is? China actually killed thousands of our assets, continuously abuses us on trade and financially, is caught spying on us constantly and yet "Muh Russia!" is everything people want to talk about. Snowden exposed our brutal spying and abuse of power in Germany and instead of being held accountable we started a historic manhunt to try to bring the guy down. Assange is facing multiple life sentences/extradition for releasing information that is seemingly accurate. I don't see why we would be trying SO hard to capture/destroy guys like Snowden/Assange if they were just spilling some crazy conspiracy theories. That is NOT how a democracy or sound legal system is supposed to work. The whole goal is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

Look at this stupid random whistleblower controversy. One whistleblower was exposed as a Democrat operative basically, then suddenly they put another forward defended by the same lawyer, as if that changes anything. Same thing happens with sexual accusers. When one is proven to be unreliable, they simply throw 3 new ones out of nowhere to attack whoever the target is. How about we stop coming to conclusions or taking sides without sound evidence?

As Chuck Schumer famously said... Democrat Sen. Chuck Schumer spoke of in glee, in response to then-president-elect Trump’s criticism of U.S. intelligence agencies. “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s host Rachel Maddow.

This is basically admitting that they will target political enemies and seek revenge.

Russia absolutely is not our friends and surely wants to see us fail and collapse. So does China, NOKO, Iran.. and honestly probably half of the world. The USA is no better in this regard either. Everyone is after power.

You've been misled my friend.
The FISA warrant was issued in response to a Trump campaign official, Papadapolous, telling the Australian ambassador that Russia had dirt on Sec. Clinton that would leak before the election.
The ambassador told US intelligence officials, and that kicked off the investigation.
The dossier was provided as supporting evidence, but in no way was "the entire premise" for the FISA warrant.
Was the dossier circumstantial evidence at best, that should have been left out of the warrant application? Sure, but a warrant application is not like a criminal trial, and it's not uncommon to present weak or circumstantial evidence when asking for a warrant.
The Trump team has taken the weakest part of the supporting evidence presented in the FISA warrant application and attempted to spin it that the entire investigation was about the dossier, which is not remotely true at all. It was leaks from his own campaign about Russia meddling in our election that started the investigation, and rightfully so, as the meddling itself is already concerning, but the fact that officials in the Trump campaign knew about them was even more concerning.
The idea that investigating something that so obviously warranted being investigated is a "coup" is conspiracy propaganda pushed by Trump's team.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

Sorry man but the Dossier isn't even in the realm of "circumstantial evidence". It was literally funded by DNC operatives and pushed as legit when even Comey famously called it salacious and unfounded under oath.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/419901-fbi-email-chain-may-provide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet

This read may help you. This is written by an investigative journalist who has helped expose many incidences of USA intelligence agency abuse of power.

Also the Popadopoulous stuff is unsubstantiated. All we know is that he ALLEGEDLY told Alexander Downer about dirt on Clinton in a gossip scenario. There WAS evidence he was trying to get Trump to work with the Russians (how the hell is this a crime? Obama famously promised this on air to work with Putin after this was over). It wasn't related to interference in the election. Again a lot of assumptions and leaps happened here. Popadopoulous is a free man now going on Fox and continuing to attack these narratives. If he truly is the lynchpin here in Russian interference he would be rotting in a cell for life, and possibly be killed via suicide with two shots to the back of the head.

[MrDollarBills]

How the hell did this thread go from The NBA vs. China to Mueller, Trump and the Steele Dossier? What is wrong with some of you people, seriously? Take that bull **** over to Breitbart or whatever weirdo spots yall get your news from and let the rest of us stick to the basketball related talk.

[MrDollarBills]

Nah, NBA is better than ever.

You want fat guys like Shaq bulling over smaller players, that's better basketball?

Give me a break.

The games are fun and entertaining compared to some of the grind out basketball of the late 90s. dudes are just miserable af no matter what the NBA does they would complain about something.

[tyguy]

What is Steve kerrs and Pops opinion on this matter? Why are they so quiet? What about LeBron? Isn’t he the one who said he wouldn’t shut up and dribble. Why is he shutting up and dribbling when it comes to China?

Steve Kerr and pop have a big opinion on anything trump related but money talks and money is telling them to shut up and coach. Such hypocrites


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This. Though, it's expected from Lebron who is the biggest front runner there ever is. Of course he would stfu and bend his ass over for China.

Here is something funny as hell. The NBA and the Players want to move away from the term team "owner" because it insinuates slavery; yet on the topic of real slave labor they prefer to stay mum and make money off of it.

They can't stop talking about all the fake oppression here in the United States, but are quite mum about real oppression. Quite a few nba personalities were just exposed as total frauds.

[DonaldSanders]

It totally makes sense that ClipsFanSince98 is a Trump supporter, lol.

[Danny1616]

You fail to mention that Trump is a pathological liar who says things everyday that are impeachable on its face.

Every situation that comes up Trump exacerbates by whining like a little boy, attacking anybody who opposes him, perpetuating unsubstantiated conspiracies, and even admitting to do something and then deflecting it by attacking everyone else.

This dude invites foreign leaders to the White House lawn and starts complaining about the media, crowd sizes, Obama, and Hilary.

He tweets every 15 minutes, instead of doing his job. The dude really watching the media the entire day, and lashes out against anyone who criticizes him and then praises anyone who supports him.

That's the real issue here.

Lol amazing point of view , that has been the Democrats mindset since they lost the election . Stop crying about Trump and let him be president, if the Democrats weren't trying to impeach him everyday he wouldn't have to defend himself everyday

You guys are gonna get this thread shut down. Enough with the Democrat/Republican mud slinging.

I say we bring our boys home and cancel the remaining games.

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that admitted they had a policy of obstructing anything Obama tried to do?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about the deficit and how weak Obama was towards Russia?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about decency and tried to get Clinton impeached because he got a blow job. 20 years later Trump pays hush money to a stripper and the GOP keep its mouth shut

I've never seen such hypocrisy from the right.

I would like Trump to be President and do his job, but the dude is the most thin-skinned person I've ever seen. Instead of complaining about what the media and anyone who criticizes him everyday, he should do his damn job.

The irony is clear here.

[DonaldSanders]

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that admitted they had a policy of obstructing anything Obama tried to do?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about the deficit and how weak Obama was towards Russia?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about decency and tried to get Clinton impeached because he got a blow job. 20 years later Trump pays hush money to a stripper and the GOP keep its mouth shut

I've never seen such hypocrisy from the right.

I would like Trump to be President and do his job, but the dude is the most thin-skinned person I've ever seen. Instead of complaining about what the media and anyone who criticizes him everyday, he should do his damn job.

The irony is clear here.

Arguing with cult members is a waste of time, save your energy on educating the young.

[Showdown]

what? i have been talking about the Uyghurs this entire time...my entire point is that everyone's a hypocrite because now all of the sudden they care about 'human rights' and 'freedom' when it comes to Hong Kong but China has been committing genocide against Uyghers for YEARS and no one has batted an eye...NBA was playing NBA games miles away from where China has been putting them in internment camps...you didn't see that on the news tho...because, again, selective outrage depending on who the victim is..and if the victims are Muslim everyone tends to ignore it, like they've been ignoring Palestine for 7 decades and how they've been ignoring the MILLIONS of dead/refugees across the entire Middle East the last 20 years.

The contrast between the Uygher genocide and HK protests should raise alarms around the world about the dangers of media censorship, which is exactly the issue facing the NBA at hand. On one hand, there is some truth that Euro centric colonialism has something to do with the lack of past media attention to the genocide of Muslims and other minority ethnic group (also see eg Myanmar), but one big if not the biggest reason the HK movement has taken so much international interest is because there is no media censorship in HK which gives them a voice. The Ugyhers don’t have a voice and activists in China are either improsoned or killed, let alone getting any Chinese media exposure. This is the major major issue the NBA needs to realize if they want to operate in the China market.

mainstream media, and that's means both sides, are just arms of the pentagon/deep state/corporations at this point, they'll show you only what they want to you show you as long as it fits within a particular pro-America agenda narrative.

i mean, Saudia Arabia has been slaughtering Yemenis for 5 years now (90 thousand children slaughtered, 14 million Yemenis on brink of famine as we speak)...but what makes headline news? an attack on an oil refinery in Saudia Arabia and how it might affect oil prices.

just completely disgusting.

and you're wrong about people 'not having voice'...that's the entire point of journalism, reporting on behalf of people who don't have a voice...the Uygher situations has been reported by independent media for years now, just go read articles about it on The Incercept and The Grayzone from 2016 and 2017...how come these independent journalists with a fraction of the resources that CNN/Fox News have reported on it but the mainstream conglomerates don't? the answer should be obvious.

Saudi Arabia didn't start the war in Yemen, it started when Iran backed rebels started coup against legitimate goverment. Then that goverment called Saudi to help them just like Assad called Russia. One thing is invasion by your double standards while other isn't. When we talk about what media don't report then i need to say that neither mainstream media nor far left media that you follow don't talk about ethnic cleansing of the Sunni Muslims that live on territories controled by Houtis, they even burned graves of the islamic scholars just because they were Sunni Muslims. They also don't talk that Houtis use child soldiers and when you compare number of child soldiers in Houtis army with number of child soldiers in terrorists military formations that fight in Yemen ( ISIS/Al Qaeda) Houtis have ten times more child soldiers. Why you don't care about those kids ? Right now Iran have military control over 4 capital cities of the arabian countries so it isn't surprise that Saudi Arabia had to react in Yemen because it is better to fight in Yemen then to fight in Riyadh . Reason why far left and mainstream media ( left liberal mainstream media) don't talk about this is because they support Russia and Iran geopoliticaly so they want them to win and don't care when they do something bad because it is western leftists version of " our bastards". Now that is real hypocricsy.

[SK21209]

Lol amazing point of view , that has been the Democrats mindset since they lost the election . Stop crying about Trump and let him be president, if the Democrats weren't trying to impeach him everyday he wouldn't have to defend himself everyday

You guys are gonna get this thread shut down. Enough with the Democrat/Republican mud slinging.

I say we bring our boys home and cancel the remaining games.

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that admitted they had a policy of obstructing anything Obama tried to do?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about the deficit and how weak Obama was towards Russia?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about decency and tried to get Clinton impeached because he got a blow job. 20 years later Trump pays hush money to a stripper and the GOP keep its mouth shut

I've never seen such hypocrisy from the right.

I would like Trump to be President and do his job, but the dude is the most thin-skinned person I've ever seen. Instead of complaining about what the media and anyone who criticizes him everyday, he should do his damn job.

The irony is clear here.

The first is a legitimate criticism.

The second is mixed: Republicans haven’t had the guts to seriously push for entitlement reform (which is the only ways to lower deficits) but Trump hasn’t been weak on Russia despite his weird fondness for “strong-men” like Putin, Kim and Erdogan.

Clinton was impeached on two counts: perjury and obstruction of justice, both of which are federal crimes he actually committed.

[Blazers-1977]

Can you guys stop bringing up partisan fights on here , that is not what this thread or forum is for . There are tons of political forums out there on the internet , I’m on one for example if you want to talk about partisan fights

[Danny1616]

You guys are gonna get this thread shut down. Enough with the Democrat/Republican mud slinging.

I say we bring our boys home and cancel the remaining games.

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that admitted they had a policy of obstructing anything Obama tried to do?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about the deficit and how weak Obama was towards Russia?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about decency and tried to get Clinton impeached because he got a blow job. 20 years later Trump pays hush money to a stripper and the GOP keep its mouth shut

I've never seen such hypocrisy from the right.

I would like Trump to be President and do his job, but the dude is the most thin-skinned person I've ever seen. Instead of complaining about what the media and anyone who criticizes him everyday, he should do his damn job.

The irony is clear here.

The first is a legitimate criticism.

The second is mixed: Republicans haven’t had the guts to seriously push for entitlement reform (which is the only ways to lower deficits) but Trump hasn’t been weak on Russia despite his weird fondness for “strong-men” like Putin, Kim and Erdogan.

Clinton was impeached on two counts: perjury and obstruction of justice, both of which are federal crimes he actually committed.

So Trump hasn't all committed obstruction to justice?

It's also a crime against the constitution to request that a foreign leader investigate a political opponent.

But I guess you can pick and choose what is obstruction of justice and what is not.

It's ironic that Clinton lying and trying to hide his affair is even being compared to the blatant lies Trump has made and damage he has done to the institutions and separation of powers.

[cursedsportsfan]

Can you guys stop bringing up partisan fights on here , that is not what this thread or forum is for . There are tons of political forums out there on the internet , I’m on one for example if you want to talk about partisan fights

Sadly it's too late I think. They've done hijacked this thread. Some just can't help themselves sadly.

[sikma42]

This has nothing to do with topic and will get the thread closed.

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that admitted they had a policy of obstructing anything Obama tried to do?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about the deficit and how weak Obama was towards Russia?

Wait, wasn't it the GOP that complained about decency and tried to get Clinton impeached because he got a blow job. 20 years later Trump pays hush money to a stripper and the GOP keep its mouth shut

I've never seen such hypocrisy from the right.

I would like Trump to be President and do his job, but the dude is the most thin-skinned person I've ever seen. Instead of complaining about what the media and anyone who criticizes him everyday, he should do his damn job.

The irony is clear here.

The first is a legitimate criticism.

The second is mixed: Republicans haven’t had the guts to seriously push for entitlement reform (which is the only ways to lower deficits) but Trump hasn’t been weak on Russia despite his weird fondness for “strong-men” like Putin, Kim and Erdogan.

Clinton was impeached on two counts: perjury and obstruction of justice, both of which are federal crimes he actually committed.

So Trump hasn't all committed obstruction to justice?

It's also a crime against the constitution to request that a foreign leader investigate a political opponent.

But I guess you can pick and choose what is obstruction of justice and what is not.

It's ironic that Clinton lying and trying to hide his affair is even being compared to the blatant lies Trump has made and damage he has done to the institutions and separation of powers.

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[MrDollarBills]

Yo you dudes are going to get this thread locked with your Trumpist bull ****. Please take that **** to the proper forum, the rest of us actually want to discuss the ongoing situation between the NBA and China.

You're mad that the players and coaches talk about American social issues that you don't want to hear about because you lean a certain way politically or your skin color/gender/sexual orientation insulates you from it, we get it. Take that **** where it belongs FFS.

[MrDollarBills]

Can you guys stop bringing up partisan fights on here , that is not what this thread or forum is for . There are tons of political forums out there on the internet , I’m on one for example if you want to talk about partisan fights

Sadly it's too late I think. They've done hijacked this thread. Some just can't help themselves sadly.

and it's always the same dudes who come out of the woodworks to push their agenda. Every single time.