OT: Official KP Thread

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean, hes already an impact player at PF, so I don't really know what are you trying to say here. Or you gonna argue KP at PF isn't a good player?

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

I wasn't questioning the fact that he has an impact, just how big that impact is. I didn't look up his impact metrics indeed, perhaps because I find them a little noisy whereas TS% is a very specific statistic that is less open to interpretation. For instance, Tim Hardaway Jr had a higher BPM (-0.1 vs -0.7) than KP in 2017-18. Kanter had the highest BPM on the team that year at 2.5. Granted, KP scored higher on PIPM (I haven't done my research on that metric).

In general, I'm just a little hesitant to rely on metrics that (pretend to) give a holistic answer to how impactful an individual player is when this sport is based on interconnectivity and so many different elements come into play. BPM tells a story as well, but when Vucevic ranks #10 above Curry and Kawhi for a full season, I struggle to equate RPM with player impact without any reservations. I'm not saying it's a useless metric, and I find the research and the intellectual process behind it quite remarkable, I'm just saying that I must take it with a grain of salt. I prefer to rely on "colder" statistics and mix those with the eye test and my basketball philosophy to form an opinion. Feel free to disagree or to educate me if I'm missing something.

[Clyde_Style]

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

I wasn't questioning the fact that he has an impact, just how big that impact is. I didn't look up his impact metrics indeed, perhaps because I find them a little noisy whereas TS% is a very specific statistic that is less open to interpretation. For instance, Tim Hardaway Jr had a higher BPM (-0.1 vs -0.7) than KP in 2017-18. Kanter had the highest BPM on the team that year at 2.5. Granted, KP scored higher on PIPM (I haven't done my research on that metric).

In general, I'm just a little hesitant to rely on metrics that (pretend to) give a holistic answer to how impactful an individual player is when this sport is based on interconnectivity and so many different elements come into play. BPM tells a story as well, but when Vucevic ranks #10 above Curry and Kawhi for a full season, I struggle to equate RPM with player impact without any reservations. I'm not saying it's a useless metric, and I find the research and the intellectual process behind it quite remarkable, I'm just saying that I must take it with a grain of salt. I prefer to rely on "colder" statistics and mix those with the eye test and my basketball philosophy to form an opinion. Feel free to disagree or to educate me if I'm missing something.

He has to play up to his contract.

He has never sustained anything close to deserving a max contract.

Cuban has rolled the dice that he will be worthy of his deal and most of us are saying he won't reach that level.

[ChaosHamster]

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

I wasn't questioning the fact that he has an impact, just how big that impact is. I didn't look up his impact metrics indeed, perhaps because I find them a little noisy whereas TS% is a very specific statistic that is less open to interpretation. For instance, Tim Hardaway Jr had a higher BPM (-0.1 vs -0.7) than KP in 2017-18. Kanter had the highest BPM on the team that year at 2.5. Granted, KP scored higher on PIPM (I haven't done my research on that metric).

In general, I'm just a little hesitant to rely on metrics that (pretend to) give a holistic answer to how impactful an individual player is when this sport is based on interconnectivity and so many different elements come into play. BPM tells a story as well, but when Vucevic ranks #10 above Curry and Kawhi for a full season, I struggle to equate RPM with player impact without any reservations. I'm not saying it's a useless metric, and I find the research and the intellectual process behind it quite remarkable, I'm just saying that I must take it with a grain of salt. I prefer to rely on "colder" statistics and mix those with the eye test and my basketball philosophy to form an opinion. Feel free to disagree or to educate me if I'm missing something.

Yeah, BPM is more of a box-score relaying metric, which doesn't quite capture the defensive impact. So bigs, who grab a lot of boards, and are efficient on offense (Hello Kanter), are on the top of the list. RPM and PIPM are better, but BPM gives you some perspective.

Having an opinion is completely fine. I'am not trying to say if one metric has player A as their top15 player, but you think hes like 30th, you don't know what you are talking about. But when, for example, all the advanced metrics portray KP as a good defender, but there are people who are saying hes bad (not you), then you have to question their ability to understand the game, because obviously, they are not looking at stats, but just relay on their eye-test.

What ultimately I'am trying to say is, when the gap between your opinion and the stats, gets too wide, you should really reconsider your stance on the topic.

Btw, here is a guy trying to breakdown all the advanced metrics: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/arqlqb/a_guide_to_advanced_stats/ Interesting read.

[sims]

I mean, hes already an impact player at PF, so I don't really know what are you trying to say here. Or you gonna argue KP at PF isn't a good player?

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

we're talking about a max player now. frankly, i think he's always going to fall short of expectations and i actually felt better about the trade after watching his mavs debut. he'll have his moments when he looks unstoppable and we'll have to live with those but on balance i think he's always going to be a somewhat-inefficient, poor rebounding big who should be a center but fancies himself to be a shooting guard. this is all to say nothing of the obvious injury and (more serious) stamina concerns. to be honest i think luke kornet could give ~70% of KP's production at less than 10% of the cost.

i wanted KP to succeed here as much as anyone and didn't love the trade when it happened but ultimately i think we're in a better position now than we would have been had we committed to him long-term.

[nedleeds]

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

we're talking about a max player now. frankly, i think he's always going to fall short of expectations and i actually felt better about the trade after watching his mavs debut. he'll have his moments when he looks unstoppable and we'll have to live with those but on balance i think he's always going to be a somewhat-inefficient, poor rebounding big who should be a center but fancies himself to be a shooting guard. this is all to say nothing of the obvious injury and (more serious) stamina concerns. to be honest i think luke kornet could give ~70% of KP's production at less than 10% of the cost.

i wanted KP to succeed here as much as anyone and didn't love the trade when it happened but ultimately i think we're in a better position now than we would have been had we committed to him long-term.

I think there are two separate things there

1) Is KP a max player in today's NBA?

2) Was it a good trade, or the best trade we could have made?

The first is all about his health, if he plays ~70 games the next 3-4 years then it's pretty absurd to argue he isn't a max player in his base compensation year in today's NBA. He's a top 3 rim protector. Gobert is a max player and can't shoot, can't punish a switch and gets run off the floor in the playoffs. KP is 100% a max player if he plays ~70 games, nearly on his defense alone. If he plays about like his age 22 season before the ACL (40% from 3, best OFG% against in the paint in the league, mediocre rebounding, average TS%) it's not really debatable. If you want to crystal ball and invoke the broken feet of big men past that's fine but I think that's mostly speculation.

The second is less about KP and more about the complete and utter ineptitude of the worst executive in sports, Steve Mills. Again if KP plays this trade will go down as one of the worst in Knicks history. Steve Mills had to use a 22 year old all-star we could have had control of for 4 more years to get rid of a dumpster fire laughing stock contract he signed. That's it. Dennis Smith has as many injury issues as KP, ankle, knee and now back problems for a 21 year old ... and he's shown nothing but chucking and poor defense in his 2 years. The picks are going to be middling first rounders if KP and Luka don't die in a hang gliding accident. The best chance for a decent pick was this year, but we don't have their pick this year. The urgency to make this trade was *100%* motivated by Mills wanting to star phuck Kyrie and the 1-Legged Assassin. Thus the need to dump a top 4 worst contract the same silver haired clown signed.

This was all around terrible for the Knicks, and it's 100% Mills fault. Even if KP was whining about staying he wasn't turning down a max contract ... he just wasn't. If you are keeping Mills over KP you're a **** idiot anyway. But, if you're keeping Mills you're Dolan, and so here we are.

[shtolky]

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

we're talking about a max player now. frankly, i think he's always going to fall short of expectations and i actually felt better about the trade after watching his mavs debut. he'll have his moments when he looks unstoppable and we'll have to live with those but on balance i think he's always going to be a somewhat-inefficient, poor rebounding big who should be a center but fancies himself to be a shooting guard. this is all to say nothing of the obvious injury and (more serious) stamina concerns. to be honest i think luke kornet could give ~70% of KP's production at less than 10% of the cost.

i wanted KP to succeed here as much as anyone and didn't love the trade when it happened but ultimately i think we're in a better position now than we would have been had we committed to him long-term.

I think there are two separate things there

1) Is KP a max player in today's NBA?

2) Was it a good trade, or the best trade we could have made?

The first is all about his health, if he plays ~70 games the next 3-4 years then it's pretty absurd to argue he isn't a max player in his base compensation year in today's NBA. He's a top 3 rim protector. Gobert is a max player and can't shoot, can't punish a switch and gets run off the floor in the playoffs. KP is 100% a max player if he plays ~70 games, nearly on his defense alone. If he plays about like his age 22 season before the ACL (40% from 3, best OFG% against in the paint in the league, mediocre rebounding, average TS%) it's not really debatable. If you want to crystal ball and invoke the broken feet of big men past that's fine but I think that's mostly speculation.

The second is less about KP and more about the complete and utter ineptitude of the worst executive in sports, Steve Mills. Again if KP plays this trade will go down as one of the worst in Knicks history. Steve Mills had to use a 22 year old all-star we could have had control of for 4 more years to get rid of a dumpster fire laughing stock contract he signed. That's it. Dennis Smith has as many injury issues as KP, ankle, knee and now back problems for a 21 year old ... and he's shown nothing but chucking and poor defense in his 2 years. The picks are going to be middling first rounders if KP and Luka don't die in a hang gliding accident. The best chance for a decent pick was this year, but we don't have their pick this year. The urgency to make this trade was *100%* motivated by Mills wanting to star phuck Kyrie and the 1-Legged Assassin. Thus the need to dump a top 4 worst contract the same silver haired clown signed.

This was all around terrible for the Knicks, and it's 100% Mills fault. Even if KP was whining about staying he wasn't turning down a max contract ... he just wasn't. If you are keeping Mills over KP you're a **** idiot anyway. But, if you're keeping Mills you're Dolan, and so here we are.

KP tore his ACL and was constantly hurt (not to mention a bit of a diva). At 7'3'', that's a huge risk to lock him up to a max deal. You gotta be worried pretty much every single game he plays for the rest of his career. I loved KP as much as anyone, but once he tore his ACL, everything changed. I am not confident at all he is able to stay healthy during his career.

That brings me to my next point. KD tore his achilles. Once he did that, everything changed. I don't believe for a second it was always BK. It makes no sense, especially when he references the Nets as cool. Once he tore his achilles I think the team moved away from him. The KP trade set the team up with a young player, two good picks (the 2021 absolutely won't be middling, check out the west and the Dallas depth - they have none), and cap space. If they did sign Kyrie and a healthy KD, the trade would have been worth it, but hindsight is funny that way. I'm glad we have neither KP or KD on the roster. You'd think after McDyess, A'Mare, Penny, etc. that we would stop wanting the injured stars on our team. At first I wanted KD and Kyrie, I thought the risk was worth it. I think I was wrong. We finally have a chance to develop within, the use our assets on non-injured superstars. I'm glad we're going that route.

[GONYK]

Its fine to have an opinion. People are throwing a lot of non-sense out here relaying on their own eye-test or whatever. But its strange that you clearly know what TS% is, you've been mentioning it a couple of times to point out KP is inefficient. So its weird that you didn't look into another various advanced metrics, and just overall IMPACT metrics (BPM, PIPM) so you could've seen it for a fact, that KP is an Impact player.

we're talking about a max player now. frankly, i think he's always going to fall short of expectations and i actually felt better about the trade after watching his mavs debut. he'll have his moments when he looks unstoppable and we'll have to live with those but on balance i think he's always going to be a somewhat-inefficient, poor rebounding big who should be a center but fancies himself to be a shooting guard. this is all to say nothing of the obvious injury and (more serious) stamina concerns. to be honest i think luke kornet could give ~70% of KP's production at less than 10% of the cost.

i wanted KP to succeed here as much as anyone and didn't love the trade when it happened but ultimately i think we're in a better position now than we would have been had we committed to him long-term.

I think there are two separate things there

1) Is KP a max player in today's NBA?

2) Was it a good trade, or the best trade we could have made?

The first is all about his health, if he plays ~70 games the next 3-4 years then it's pretty absurd to argue he isn't a max player in his base compensation year in today's NBA. He's a top 3 rim protector. Gobert is a max player and can't shoot, can't punish a switch and gets run off the floor in the playoffs. KP is 100% a max player if he plays ~70 games, nearly on his defense alone. If he plays about like his age 22 season before the ACL (40% from 3, best OFG% against in the paint in the league, mediocre rebounding, average TS%) it's not really debatable. If you want to crystal ball and invoke the broken feet of big men past that's fine but I think that's mostly speculation.

The second is less about KP and more about the complete and utter ineptitude of the worst executive in sports, Steve Mills. Again if KP plays this trade will go down as one of the worst in Knicks history. Steve Mills had to use a 22 year old all-star we could have had control of for 4 more years to get rid of a dumpster fire laughing stock contract he signed. That's it. Dennis Smith has as many injury issues as KP, ankle, knee and now back problems for a 21 year old ... and he's shown nothing but chucking and poor defense in his 2 years. The picks are going to be middling first rounders if KP and Luka don't die in a hang gliding accident. The best chance for a decent pick was this year, but we don't have their pick this year. The urgency to make this trade was *100%* motivated by Mills wanting to star phuck Kyrie and the 1-Legged Assassin. Thus the need to dump a top 4 worst contract the same silver haired clown signed.

This was all around terrible for the Knicks, and it's 100% Mills fault. Even if KP was whining about staying he wasn't turning down a max contract ... he just wasn't. If you are keeping Mills over KP you're a **** idiot anyway. But, if you're keeping Mills you're Dolan, and so here we are.

I think this analysis doesn't account for the Knicks just identifying that KP, the person, is not someone you want as an anchor for your organization. Paying a max slot to deal with rape allegations, social media drama, getting your ass beat overseason, a pain in the ass brother, and injury/durability concerns might just be something they weren't on board for.

[nedleeds]

we're talking about a max player now. frankly, i think he's always going to fall short of expectations and i actually felt better about the trade after watching his mavs debut. he'll have his moments when he looks unstoppable and we'll have to live with those but on balance i think he's always going to be a somewhat-inefficient, poor rebounding big who should be a center but fancies himself to be a shooting guard. this is all to say nothing of the obvious injury and (more serious) stamina concerns. to be honest i think luke kornet could give ~70% of KP's production at less than 10% of the cost.

i wanted KP to succeed here as much as anyone and didn't love the trade when it happened but ultimately i think we're in a better position now than we would have been had we committed to him long-term.

I think there are two separate things there

1) Is KP a max player in today's NBA?

2) Was it a good trade, or the best trade we could have made?

The first is all about his health, if he plays ~70 games the next 3-4 years then it's pretty absurd to argue he isn't a max player in his base compensation year in today's NBA. He's a top 3 rim protector. Gobert is a max player and can't shoot, can't punish a switch and gets run off the floor in the playoffs. KP is 100% a max player if he plays ~70 games, nearly on his defense alone. If he plays about like his age 22 season before the ACL (40% from 3, best OFG% against in the paint in the league, mediocre rebounding, average TS%) it's not really debatable. If you want to crystal ball and invoke the broken feet of big men past that's fine but I think that's mostly speculation.

The second is less about KP and more about the complete and utter ineptitude of the worst executive in sports, Steve Mills. Again if KP plays this trade will go down as one of the worst in Knicks history. Steve Mills had to use a 22 year old all-star we could have had control of for 4 more years to get rid of a dumpster fire laughing stock contract he signed. That's it. Dennis Smith has as many injury issues as KP, ankle, knee and now back problems for a 21 year old ... and he's shown nothing but chucking and poor defense in his 2 years. The picks are going to be middling first rounders if KP and Luka don't die in a hang gliding accident. The best chance for a decent pick was this year, but we don't have their pick this year. The urgency to make this trade was *100%* motivated by Mills wanting to star phuck Kyrie and the 1-Legged Assassin. Thus the need to dump a top 4 worst contract the same silver haired clown signed.

This was all around terrible for the Knicks, and it's 100% Mills fault. Even if KP was whining about staying he wasn't turning down a max contract ... he just wasn't. If you are keeping Mills over KP you're a **** idiot anyway. But, if you're keeping Mills you're Dolan, and so here we are.

I think this analysis doesn't account for the Knicks just identifying that KP, the person, is not someone you want as an anchor for your organization. Paying a max slot to deal with rape allegations, social media drama, getting your ass beat overseason, a pain in the ass brother, and injury/durability concerns might just be something they weren't on board for.

We disagree here. A competent front office should be able to handle this kind of situation. Worst case, you establish team control, and rebuild his value post injury. I also put no stock in a year and a half old allegation that hasn't produced any indictments. We used him for a salary dump, disgraceful.

[cgmw]

As much as last night’s home opener was a stinker, I’m so happy I wasn’t watching Porzingis and Tim Hardaway.

Randle (and DSJ) better step it up tho.

[robillionaire]

Damn I can't believe we got future all-star PG DSJ and two more first rounders and rid of 2 bad contracts all for a max contract ryan anderson

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

[Jellybeans]

Read on Twitter

He just slips

[BKlutch]

Time to start making excuses for KP's poor start. Maybe it's just rust. Maybe he'll start scoring when they get another big next to him. Maybe he'll start playing up to potential in a couple of months.

Right before his anemia kicks in and production declines.

[Clyde_Style]

Damn I can't believe we got future all-star PG DSJ and two more first rounders and rid of 2 bad contracts all for a max contract ryan anderson

Yes, even if Dennis flops, we won the deal, because not only did we get the picks from a franchise I don't think is going anywhere and unloaded a nightmare like Tim plus Lee, we also avoided having to sign KP which is really a much bigger net positive than all the rest. KP is going to be a dead weight contract when he goes down in a heap again and he will.

Like some companies that have a No Azzhole Rule, the Knicks invoked their version of it by banishing KP. Fiz may suck and the roster is still a big work in progress, but I don't think we have any delusional divas left on the team which is a big plus in my book.

[Clyde_Style]

I think there are two separate things there

1) Is KP a max player in today's NBA?

2) Was it a good trade, or the best trade we could have made?

The first is all about his health, if he plays ~70 games the next 3-4 years then it's pretty absurd to argue he isn't a max player in his base compensation year in today's NBA. He's a top 3 rim protector. Gobert is a max player and can't shoot, can't punish a switch and gets run off the floor in the playoffs. KP is 100% a max player if he plays ~70 games, nearly on his defense alone. If he plays about like his age 22 season before the ACL (40% from 3, best OFG% against in the paint in the league, mediocre rebounding, average TS%) it's not really debatable. If you want to crystal ball and invoke the broken feet of big men past that's fine but I think that's mostly speculation.

The second is less about KP and more about the complete and utter ineptitude of the worst executive in sports, Steve Mills. Again if KP plays this trade will go down as one of the worst in Knicks history. Steve Mills had to use a 22 year old all-star we could have had control of for 4 more years to get rid of a dumpster fire laughing stock contract he signed. That's it. Dennis Smith has as many injury issues as KP, ankle, knee and now back problems for a 21 year old ... and he's shown nothing but chucking and poor defense in his 2 years. The picks are going to be middling first rounders if KP and Luka don't die in a hang gliding accident. The best chance for a decent pick was this year, but we don't have their pick this year. The urgency to make this trade was *100%* motivated by Mills wanting to star phuck Kyrie and the 1-Legged Assassin. Thus the need to dump a top 4 worst contract the same silver haired clown signed.

This was all around terrible for the Knicks, and it's 100% Mills fault. Even if KP was whining about staying he wasn't turning down a max contract ... he just wasn't. If you are keeping Mills over KP you're a **** idiot anyway. But, if you're keeping Mills you're Dolan, and so here we are.

I think this analysis doesn't account for the Knicks just identifying that KP, the person, is not someone you want as an anchor for your organization. Paying a max slot to deal with rape allegations, social media drama, getting your ass beat overseason, a pain in the ass brother, and injury/durability concerns might just be something they weren't on board for.

We disagree here. A competent front office should be able to handle this kind of situation. Worst case, you establish team control, and rebuild his value post injury. I also put no stock in a year and a half old allegation that hasn't produced any indictments. We used him for a salary dump, disgraceful.

You're assuming KP is going to improve significantly enough to have become a more valuable asset than he was at the time of the trade and that is merely an assumption on your part with no basis in reality. You may think he will be just as I think he is not going to be a major player, but you can't prove the trade was a mistake just because you believe that.

Based on known facts and basic risk analysis, we dumped him at the right time. His value may never be higher again instead of your presumption that it will soar in the future. Says you, but you cannot prove that at all.

Further, we'd have had to offer him at least a huge interim deal if he wouldn't take a max from us and for what? To have the privilege of gambling on him coming back and being a stud who is durable just to eke out another 25-50% in value from him?

You're not talking about losing the trade from the POV of actual risk analysis. You're talking like a gambler only. You could be right or wrong, but that's basically a coin toss, not a coherent set of assumptions based on him never having achieved anything in his career, being anemic and weak and now post-injury. Add in his character issues, total lack of leadership and his ahole brother and there is nothing max cat about KP now or probably ever. So we didn't lose chit.

[robillionaire]

I think this analysis doesn't account for the Knicks just identifying that KP, the person, is not someone you want as an anchor for your organization. Paying a max slot to deal with rape allegations, social media drama, getting your ass beat overseason, a pain in the ass brother, and injury/durability concerns might just be something they weren't on board for.

We disagree here. A competent front office should be able to handle this kind of situation. Worst case, you establish team control, and rebuild his value post injury. I also put no stock in a year and a half old allegation that hasn't produced any indictments. We used him for a salary dump, disgraceful.

You're assuming KP is going to improve significantly enough to have become a more valuable asset than he was at the time of the trade and that is merely an assumption on your part with no basis in reality. You may think he will be just as I think he is not going to be a major player, but you can't prove the trade was a mistake just because you believe that.

Based on known facts and basic risk analysis, we dumped him at the right time. His value may never be higher again instead of your presumption that it will soar in the future. Says you, but you cannot prove that at all.

Further, we'd have had to offer him at least a huge interim deal if he wouldn't take a max from us and for what? To have the privilege of gambling on him coming back and being a stud who is durable just to eke out another 25-50% in value from him?

You're not talking about losing the trade from the POV of actual risk analysis. You're talking like a gambler only. You could be right or wrong, but that's basically a coin toss, not a coherent set of assumptions based on him never having achieved anything in his career, being anemic and weak and now post-injury. Add in his character issues, total lack of leadership and his ahole brother and there is nothing max cat about KP now or probably ever. So we didn't lose chit.

In hindsight the right time may have been before the ACL tear when Phil wanted to dump him

[Jalen Bluntson]

Crying like a bunch of brides left at the alter!!

[br7knicks]

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that video clearly shows the kinds of picks that KP sets.


i was saying that he sets the **** screens, since his rookie year, and was laughed and balked at because "i don't know basketball"


i may not know basketball, but i sure as hell know that that's not how to set even a half-assed screen. KP cannot set screens or box out. overrated offensive twat.

[Clyde_Style]

Crying like a bunch of brides left at the alter!!

[NYKnickerbocker]

Bet every Mavs fan heart jumped when he fell lol. Happy I don’t really have to worry about that.