Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason

[gom]

I like the plan of adding Kevin Love to the team but doubt the Cavs (or Love) are interested. Here's a trade proposal:

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkLBL21Yr

MIA (out): Goran Dragic (1 year, 19.2m), James Johnson (2 years, 15.3m)
MIA (in): Kevin Love (4 years, 28.9m), JJ Barea (1 year, $1.6m)

DAL (out): Courtney Lee (1 year, $12.7m, JJ Barea 1 year, 1.6m), 2023 SRP, 2020 Utah SRP
DAL (in): Goran Dragic (1 year, $19.2m)

CLE (out): Kevin Love (4 years, $28.9)
CLE (in): Courtney Lee (1 year, $12.7m), James Johnson (2 years, $15.3m), two SRP from Dallas (noted above)

This trade:

(a) unites Dragić with Doncic in Dallas.
(b) exchanges 4 years of Kevin Love for Courtney Lee's expiring deal and two years of James Johnson.
(c) gets Miami out of the tax without adding much to Cleveland's tax burden.

[caliban]

No to Love. Olynyk at 1/3 of the price is a better solution for the organisation. Love has been very bad the last couple of years, is Injury prone and old. Nothing to like there imo.

[MadD23]

do you think there's a chance for him to come here? also will dion ask for a trade if the heat refuses to start him in the upcoming season?? i just dont want any cancerous attitude behavior on this team,it is not need it right now

I think it's a better chance to get Love than Beal. Plus he knows how to be a star in the exact same role that Spo is using Robinson, Meyers and KO play. Waiters been loud and clear, don't need to ask me.

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Love is a risky acquisition considering his age and contract (about 30m per year through 22/23 season) and his injury history. My biggest concern, however, is that his game is seemingly contracting from a versatile low post player who can pass and shoot into merely a long range specialist. Granted, I haven't watched an abundant amount of Cavs games in recent years. If he indeed is traded to be a spot up baseline 3 point shooter, his contribution wouldnt warrant his contract.

Love might be a better option than CP3 at this point. Love still scores 17pts per game and grabs double digit rebounds in only 28 minutes. He also shoots over 40% from 3 and he is almost a 90% ft shooter. Based on fit, he could be a great option at the 4 for us. If it only cost us Dragic and a filler, we could see a significant boost in our offense and rebounding from our starting lineup. It will also open the doors for Nunn to be our back up PG next to Herro or Waiters coming off the bench with DJJ, D Rob, Leonard or KO.

Winslow
Waiters
Butler
Love
Bam

or

Winslow
Herro
Butler
Love
Bam

Looks pretty good to me

[Beenie]

I think it's a better chance to get Love than Beal. Plus he knows how to be a star in the exact same role that Spo is using Robinson, Meyers and KO play. Waiters been loud and clear, don't need to ask me.

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Love is a risky acquisition considering his age and contract (about 30m per year through 22/23 season) and his injury history. My biggest concern, however, is that his game is seemingly contracting from a versatile low post player who can pass and shoot into merely a long range specialist. Granted, I haven't watched an abundant amount of Cavs games in recent years. If he indeed is traded to be a spot up baseline 3 point shooter, his contribution wouldnt warrant his contract.

Love might be a better option than CP3 at this point. Love still scores 17pts per game and grabs double digit rebounds in only 28 minutes. He also shoots over 40% from 3 and he is almost a 90% ft shooter. Based on fit, he could be a great option at the 4 for us. If it only cost us Dragic and a filler, we could see a significant boost in our offense and rebounding from our starting lineup. It will also open the doors for Nunn to be our back up PG next to Herro or Waiters coming off the bench with DJJ, D Rob, Leonard or KO.

Winslow
Waiters
Butler
Love
Bam

or

Winslow
Herro
Butler
Love
Bam

Looks pretty good to me

Contractually, it can be argued that Love is less appealing than CP3 considering he has 4 years left on his deal and CP3 has 2 w/3rd year option.

Stylistically, I dont hate the fit. Assuming he is healthy and can stay on the court (which is a big if), and hasn't slipped too far past his prime, on offense, he offers floor spacing, pick n roll opportunities, offensive rebounding, a occasional low post presence, and he's an adept passer. The concern is that in recent years, he hasn't played much basketball, and his game, since leaving Minnesota, has contracted. He is often regulated to spotting up from 3.

Regarding his health, he's missed 60 games last year, 23 games two years ago and 21 games three years ago. His minutes and games played would almost certainly have to be managed in order to preserve him to last the life of his contract.

We disagree if you think he's a better fit than CP3. This team lacks an elite play maker who can routinely create high percentage shots for this offense. I'd expect Bam to benefit in a major way if he played with CP3 or any elite PG. DJJ would also reap.

[Bishop45]

I'm only holding out for Griffin; Detroit should be bad, maybe real bad

[MadD23]

Love is a risky acquisition considering his age and contract (about 30m per year through 22/23 season) and his injury history. My biggest concern, however, is that his game is seemingly contracting from a versatile low post player who can pass and shoot into merely a long range specialist. Granted, I haven't watched an abundant amount of Cavs games in recent years. If he indeed is traded to be a spot up baseline 3 point shooter, his contribution wouldnt warrant his contract.

Love might be a better option than CP3 at this point. Love still scores 17pts per game and grabs double digit rebounds in only 28 minutes. He also shoots over 40% from 3 and he is almost a 90% ft shooter. Based on fit, he could be a great option at the 4 for us. If it only cost us Dragic and a filler, we could see a significant boost in our offense and rebounding from our starting lineup. It will also open the doors for Nunn to be our back up PG next to Herro or Waiters coming off the bench with DJJ, D Rob, Leonard or KO.

Winslow
Waiters
Butler
Love
Bam

or

Winslow
Herro
Butler
Love
Bam

Looks pretty good to me

Contractually, it can be argued that Love is less appealing than CP3 considering he has 4 years left on his deal and CP3 has 2 w/3rd year option.

Stylistically, I dont hate the fit. Assuming he is healthy and can stay on the court (which is a big if), and hasn't slipped too far past his prime, on offense, he offers floor spacing, pick n roll opportunities, offensive rebounding, a occasional low post presence, and he's an adept passer. The concern is that in recent years, he hasn't played much basketball, and his game, since leaving Minnesota, has contracted. He is often regulated to spotting up from 3.

Regarding his health, he's missed 60 games last year, 23 games two years ago and 21 games three years ago. His minutes and games played would almost certainly have to be managed in order to preserve him to last the life of his contract.

We disagree if you think he's a better fit than CP3. This team lacks an elite play maker who can routinely create high percentage shots for this offense. I'd expect Bam to benefit in a major way if he played with CP3 or any elite PG. DJJ would also reap.

You make very good points and I agree with most of it. The reason I say Love is a better fit for this team, it's because we have a hole at PF and having an elite, younger championship experienced PF in our starting lineup might be the best choice (IMO). I am also considering a healthier and better Waiters, a potentially solid back up PG in Nunn and Herro also has a lot of positive intangibles on offense. Waiters, Winslow, Butler, Herro, Nunn are all good ball handlers. Waiters, Butler and Herro can all break the D and create. Love would give us an element we lack at the moment, an Allstar caliber PF who can Rebound and stretch the floor (among other things of course).

But you are right, health is a big concern with Love and age is also a big concern with CP3. I am just glad I don't get to make those decisions.

[HeatFanLifer]

I'm only holding out for Griffin; Detroit should be bad, maybe real bad

What about that injury history tho.

[Bishop45]

I'm only holding out for Griffin; Detroit should be bad, maybe real bad

What about that injury history tho.

About as risky as a AD, Biid trade and he just came off a career best year

Better than Beal and probably more available

Roll the dye and put him on health management

[gom]

I just want Love around for the postseason. During the season Olynyk, Robinson, and Silva can play there. My trade gets Miami out of the tax. Doesn't anyone care about that? I do. We're not competing. We shouldn't be against the limit.

[TroubleS0me]

We gonna be good offensively. Should be back to being above average. Still worried about our FT% we were the worse team in the NBA.

[TroubleS0me]

I just want Love around for the postseason. During the season Olynyk, Robinson, and Silva can play there. My trade gets Miami out of the tax. Doesn't anyone care about that? I do. We're not competing. We shouldn't be against the limit.

nah man lol Love is

[*]30
[*]hasnt played 70 games in 3yrs
[*]got a big contract

we got enough Love in Miami alrdy..

[BFRESH44]

The trade deadline target for us should be Danilo Gallanari. He’ll be more than available too.

[twix2500]

Love might be a better option than CP3 at this point. Love still scores 17pts per game and grabs double digit rebounds in only 28 minutes. He also shoots over 40% from 3 and he is almost a 90% ft shooter. Based on fit, he could be a great option at the 4 for us. If it only cost us Dragic and a filler, we could see a significant boost in our offense and rebounding from our starting lineup. It will also open the doors for Nunn to be our back up PG next to Herro or Waiters coming off the bench with DJJ, D Rob, Leonard or KO.

Winslow
Waiters
Butler
Love
Bam

or

Winslow
Herro
Butler
Love
Bam

Looks pretty good to me

Contractually, it can be argued that Love is less appealing than CP3 considering he has 4 years left on his deal and CP3 has 2 w/3rd year option.

Stylistically, I dont hate the fit. Assuming he is healthy and can stay on the court (which is a big if), and hasn't slipped too far past his prime, on offense, he offers floor spacing, pick n roll opportunities, offensive rebounding, a occasional low post presence, and he's an adept passer. The concern is that in recent years, he hasn't played much basketball, and his game, since leaving Minnesota, has contracted. He is often regulated to spotting up from 3.

Regarding his health, he's missed 60 games last year, 23 games two years ago and 21 games three years ago. His minutes and games played would almost certainly have to be managed in order to preserve him to last the life of his contract.

We disagree if you think he's a better fit than CP3. This team lacks an elite play maker who can routinely create high percentage shots for this offense. I'd expect Bam to benefit in a major way if he played with CP3 or any elite PG. DJJ would also reap.

You make very good points and I agree with most of it. The reason I say Love is a better fit for this team, it's because we have a hole at PF and having an elite, younger championship experienced PF in our starting lineup might be the best choice (IMO). I am also considering a healthier and better Waiters, a potentially solid back up PG in Nunn and Herro also has a lot of positive intangibles on offense. Waiters, Winslow, Butler, Herro, Nunn are all good ball handlers. Waiters, Butler and Herro can all break the D and create. Love would give us an element we lack at the moment, an Allstar caliber PF who can Rebound and stretch the floor (among other things of course).

But you are right, health is a big concern with Love and age is also a big concern with CP3. I am just glad I don't get to make those decisions.

Love just turned 31 a few weeks ago. Why is his age a concern? The Heat are trying to win a chip within the next few years. This team is being built around Butler.

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[Beenie]

Contractually, it can be argued that Love is less appealing than CP3 considering he has 4 years left on his deal and CP3 has 2 w/3rd year option.

Stylistically, I dont hate the fit. Assuming he is healthy and can stay on the court (which is a big if), and hasn't slipped too far past his prime, on offense, he offers floor spacing, pick n roll opportunities, offensive rebounding, a occasional low post presence, and he's an adept passer. The concern is that in recent years, he hasn't played much basketball, and his game, since leaving Minnesota, has contracted. He is often regulated to spotting up from 3.

Regarding his health, he's missed 60 games last year, 23 games two years ago and 21 games three years ago. His minutes and games played would almost certainly have to be managed in order to preserve him to last the life of his contract.

We disagree if you think he's a better fit than CP3. This team lacks an elite play maker who can routinely create high percentage shots for this offense. I'd expect Bam to benefit in a major way if he played with CP3 or any elite PG. DJJ would also reap.

You make very good points and I agree with most of it. The reason I say Love is a better fit for this team, it's because we have a hole at PF and having an elite, younger championship experienced PF in our starting lineup might be the best choice (IMO). I am also considering a healthier and better Waiters, a potentially solid back up PG in Nunn and Herro also has a lot of positive intangibles on offense. Waiters, Winslow, Butler, Herro, Nunn are all good ball handlers. Waiters, Butler and Herro can all break the D and create. Love would give us an element we lack at the moment, an Allstar caliber PF who can Rebound and stretch the floor (among other things of course).

But you are right, health is a big concern with Love and age is also a big concern with CP3. I am just glad I don't get to make those decisions.

Love just turned 31 a few weeks ago. Why is his age a concern? The Heat are trying to win a chip within the next few years. This team is being built around Butler.

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Age alone isn't the issue. It's his history of injuries that is worrying coupled with the 4 years remaining on his contract. I've also pointed out that his game seems to have gone from a dynamic, all around weapon on offense to more of a specialized spot-up shooting role in recent years. A $30m investment over the next 4 years is a hefty price tag for a guy who will have to have his minutes and games-played managed and seemingly isn't the all-around offensive weapon he once was.

A lot of people have issues with the idea of trading for CP3 for similar reasons and he's on a shorter contract.

For the record, I'm not entirely against the idea of acquiring Love, particularly if the team can land both him and CP3 together. He just wouldn't be at the top of my list of trade priorities.

[abark]

Contractually, it can be argued that Love is less appealing than CP3 considering he has 4 years left on his deal and CP3 has 2 w/3rd year option.

Stylistically, I dont hate the fit. Assuming he is healthy and can stay on the court (which is a big if), and hasn't slipped too far past his prime, on offense, he offers floor spacing, pick n roll opportunities, offensive rebounding, a occasional low post presence, and he's an adept passer. The concern is that in recent years, he hasn't played much basketball, and his game, since leaving Minnesota, has contracted. He is often regulated to spotting up from 3.

Regarding his health, he's missed 60 games last year, 23 games two years ago and 21 games three years ago. His minutes and games played would almost certainly have to be managed in order to preserve him to last the life of his contract.

We disagree if you think he's a better fit than CP3. This team lacks an elite play maker who can routinely create high percentage shots for this offense. I'd expect Bam to benefit in a major way if he played with CP3 or any elite PG. DJJ would also reap.

You make very good points and I agree with most of it. The reason I say Love is a better fit for this team, it's because we have a hole at PF and having an elite, younger championship experienced PF in our starting lineup might be the best choice (IMO). I am also considering a healthier and better Waiters, a potentially solid back up PG in Nunn and Herro also has a lot of positive intangibles on offense. Waiters, Winslow, Butler, Herro, Nunn are all good ball handlers. Waiters, Butler and Herro can all break the D and create. Love would give us an element we lack at the moment, an Allstar caliber PF who can Rebound and stretch the floor (among other things of course).

But you are right, health is a big concern with Love and age is also a big concern with CP3. I am just glad I don't get to make those decisions.

Love just turned 31 a few weeks ago. Why is his age a concern? The Heat are trying to win a chip within the next few years. This team is being built around Butler.

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The facts that he's injury prone, on a 4 year max, and not that great anymore are the concerns.

Aquiring Love locks us into this team for the forseeable future. I don't care if he make us a little better if we are destined to be a treadmill team with him.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Danilo, K Love, Griffin... all of these guys are so injury prone that personally I don't believe they are worth risking doing some potentially wild things in 2021.

Don't get me wrong, I rather contend now. But I rather wait to trade for a player to that we can rely on to be not be broken come playoff time.

[gom]

Love isn't on a max deal like Chris Paul and doesn't need athleticism as much in his position:

2019-20 age: 31 $28,942,830
2020-21 age: 32 $31,258,256
2021-22 age: 33 $31,258,256
2022-23 age: 34 $28,942,830

The contract pairs with Butler's deal but doesn't increase. This means we can still add a max contract to the team. We could add, for example, Bradley Beal to the team:

Winslow/Beal/Butler/Love/Adebayo.

Love for Dragic & James Johnson is an excellent deal. If we could do the DAL/MIA/CLE deal I proposed, we should do it right now. In truth, though, I can see we would need to add value. Two seconds isn't enough compensation for CLE.

Beal's deal would have to be centered on whoever we draft in 2020, Herro, and a future first (2025).

[caliban]

Love is not very good gom. I'd debate if an upgrade at all. Unreliable, old and overrated at this point. Max or not, it for sure is too much for his productivity and opportunity cost on top of that. Guy makes Olynyk look like a defensive savant these days.

[gom]

Greg Swartz is a Cavs writer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2857168-demar-derozan-for-chris-paul-other-star-trade-ideas-as-2019-20-nba-season-nears#slide2

He suggests Justise + Meyers for Kevin Love.

That would leave us with only Dragic & Nunn which is weak.

[Kobewade11]

Greg Swartz is a Cavs writer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2857168-demar-derozan-for-chris-paul-other-star-trade-ideas-as-2019-20-nba-season-nears#slide2

He suggests Justise + Meyers for Kevin Love.

That would leave us with only Dragic & Nunn which is weak.

non-Heat fans and reporters are so ill informed it's comical.