OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA

[MadGrinch]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

[Blockwatcher]

Didn’t feel like the players had to say anything really. This was on silver and the NBA execs/owners to cleanup.

Thats it. They put Harden and Westbrook out there to look like fools. Groveling at the feet of the Chinese government with their apology and deceleration of love for China.

The players only meeting that Lebron held should have been a league wide statement to any China related line of questioning.

"I have been told to refrain from speaking on that issue, to let the management and league officials handle it."

[madvillian]

Athletes and entertainers are ironically in positions of great influence but also usually incredible ignorance and privilege.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The Chinese point of view is that Hong Kong has too many freedoms and they need to have less of them. That's not a defenseable position to take at all. Now they're using their market to crush dissent in other countries. ESPN has been running communist propaganda for days calling pro democracy protests anti government demonstrations. They still use slave labor and there's literally three ethnic cleansing going on in their country at the same time. One going on with Muslims another one with Catholics, and the last and longest with the Buddhist in Tibet. The protesters are literally waving American flags and singing the national anthem for the NBA to not have their backs is disgusting. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about several of the people running for President have commented on the situation as well as several Republicans.

[god shammgod]

to be fair, we're all hypocrites too. we should all stop watching the nba right now to show support to the people of hong kong and pressure the league to take a stand, but we won't. we won't give up even one of our countless forms of entertainment to help people fighting for their freedom. we're no better.

[Rasho Brezec]

to be fair, we're all hypocrites too. we should all stop watching the nba right now to show support to the people of hong kong and pressure the league to take a stand, but we won't. we won't give up even one of our countless forms of entertainment to help people fighting for their freedom. we're no better.

I'm supporting the people of Hong Kong by exercising my freedom to consume any commercial product I want.

[jvsimonetti0514]

to be fair, we're all hypocrites too. we should all stop watching the nba right now to show support to the people of hong kong and pressure the league to take a stand, but we won't. we won't give up even one of our countless forms of entertainment to help people fighting for their freedom. we're no better.

I haven't watched ESPN for a week and haven't picked up 2k neither. I think that's why this hurts me so much because I am such a big NBA fan. I think they've been way more successful with their activism than the NFL has been and I'm shocked they failed this test so miserably. Like most of you guys, I probably watched 100+NBA games last year and you're probably right, I'm not going to give up watching the Knicks but there's a lot of other NBA games I watch that I'm going to be my best to avoid.

[god shammgod]

to be fair, we're all hypocrites too. we should all stop watching the nba right now to show support to the people of hong kong and pressure the league to take a stand, but we won't. we won't give up even one of our countless forms of entertainment to help people fighting for their freedom. we're no better.

I'm supporting the people of Hong Kong by exercising my freedom to consume any commercial product I want.

well spun

[RealGM Forums]

LeBron in his Ivory Tower.

[drekwins]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The politicians are not quiet. What are you talking about? If that's what you think, you're censoring yourself with ignorance. Numerous gov't officials have spoken out on the NBA's response.

Also, what you seem to accept as normal, choosing financial gain over morality, is not a position of integrity. This was the same position/argument that slave owners supported. In fact, nearly every attempt to suppress a minority population is to retain financial/status superiority. As a black man making millions with fans all over the world, it is an absolute disgrace that he called Morey "uneducated" regarding the issue. This statement insinuates that he was going to offer some wisdom. Yet, he took a position that supported suppression and contrary to free speech. It's clear that LeBron has no idea what he is talking about. He did not receive a Hummer in high school for his academics. He has taken a position that has never been condoned by America and is completely contrary to our values and principles. He deserves heat.

[MadGrinch]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The Chinese point of view is that Hong Kong has too many freedoms and they need to have less of them. That's not a defenseable position to take at all. Now they're using their market to crush dissent in other countries. ESPN has been running communist propaganda for days calling pro democracy protests anti government demonstrations. They still use slave labor and there's literally three ethnic cleansing going on in their country at the same time. One going on with Muslims another one with Catholics, and the last and longest with the Buddhist in Tibet. The protesters are literally waving American flags and singing the national anthem for the NBA to not have their backs is disgusting. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about several of the people running for President have commented on the situation as well as several Republicans.

most of what you say about the chinese applies to americans as well

americans are constantly fighting with their govt. for more rights and often lose because their politicians are bought and paid for .

americans use slave labor via the 13th amendment(prison labor)

americans have done the ethnic cleansing thing and continue to do so(ask our 1st nations people on that topic )

police are going in people's homes here and shooting them without cause , over 1000 people get shot yearly by police and most of them are unarmed .

in no way reasonable way are american citizens considered among the freest people on earth considering it has more prisoners than any other country (roughly 25% of inmmates worldwide are american despite the united states having about 5% of the world's population)

there are literally hundreds of congressmen and congresswomen , 100 senators and about 10 people running for president .

a handful of people is not very many considering the size of the pool and it shouldn't take a daryl morey tweet to spring them into action

so i actually don't think you know what you are talking about.

[MadGrinch]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The politicians are not quiet. What are you talking about? If that's what you think, you're censoring yourself with ignorance. Numerous gov't officials have spoken out on the NBA's response.

Also, what you seem to accept as normal, choosing financial gain over morality, is not a position of integrity. This was the same position/argument that slave owners supported. In fact, nearly every attempt to suppress a minority population is to retain financial/status superiority. As a black man making millions with fans all over the world, it is an absolute disgrace that he called Morey "uneducated" regarding the issue. This statement insinuates that he was going to offer some wisdom. Yet, he took a position that supported suppression and contrary to free speech. It's clear that LeBron has no idea what he is talking about. He did not receive a Hummer in high school for his academics. He has taken a position that has never been condoned by America and is completely contrary to our values and principles. He deserves heat.

the nba's response isn't what they should be speaking about , the actions of a corporation protecting its interest pale in comparison to the suffering of protesters in hong kong and that has been going on for a while , politicians are only speaking about it in reflex because its a big news story not because they care or anything like that.

Lebron spent the last week in China he surely has a better knowledge than virtually any american .I'm sure the fact that he and his fellow nba players being the scorn of over a billion people for something tweeted by a rockets executive gave them an insight to the matter no one on this board will have.

there are egregious governmental action being taken in all parts of this world including in this country , this country has a pretty significant history of denying its residents rights to this very day.

the United States does not have the moral high ground with China in any respects.

[Blockwatcher]

Watch on YouTube

O man i didn't hear that interview ... wow, bron taking L's

[kane]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The politicians are not quiet. What are you talking about? If that's what you think, you're censoring yourself with ignorance. Numerous gov't officials have spoken out on the NBA's response.

Also, what you seem to accept as normal, choosing financial gain over morality, is not a position of integrity. This was the same position/argument that slave owners supported. In fact, nearly every attempt to suppress a minority population is to retain financial/status superiority. As a black man making millions with fans all over the world, it is an absolute disgrace that he called Morey "uneducated" regarding the issue. This statement insinuates that he was going to offer some wisdom. Yet, he took a position that supported suppression and contrary to free speech. It's clear that LeBron has no idea what he is talking about. He did not receive a Hummer in high school for his academics. He has taken a position that has never been condoned by America and is completely contrary to our values and principles. He deserves heat.

oh wow lebron spent a week in a hotel penthouse in china.... lebron is a hypocrite and a sellout, all hes looking out for is his cash

[MadGrinch]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The politicians are not quiet. What are you talking about? If that's what you think, you're censoring yourself with ignorance. Numerous gov't officials have spoken out on the NBA's response.

Also, what you seem to accept as normal, choosing financial gain over morality, is not a position of integrity. This was the same position/argument that slave owners supported. In fact, nearly every attempt to suppress a minority population is to retain financial/status superiority. As a black man making millions with fans all over the world, it is an absolute disgrace that he called Morey "uneducated" regarding the issue. This statement insinuates that he was going to offer some wisdom. Yet, he took a position that supported suppression and contrary to free speech. It's clear that LeBron has no idea what he is talking about. He did not receive a Hummer in high school for his academics. He has taken a position that has never been condoned by America and is completely contrary to our values and principles. He deserves heat.

oh wow lebron spent a week in a hotel penthouse in china.... lebron is a hypocrite and a sellout, all hes looking out for is his cash

is he a hypocrite or does he not agree?

there is a difference.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/15/lebron-james-nba-adam-silver-daryl-morey/

“Nearly a week ago today, in a Shanghai hotel room, or Shanghai hotel ballroom, Adam Silver got up and addressed the players, and LeBron James is one of the players who got up and spoke and said, ‘Hey, what are we doing here? Daryl Morey made these statements,'” McMenamin recalled on air Tuesday. “You know damn well if a player made the same statements and caused such poor ramifications for the league, there would be some sort of league recourse.”

“There would be repercussions the player has to pay. You know, potentially this tweet could cost the NBA hundreds of millions of dollars. That could come out of the players’ pockets, and so that’s the double standard that was being addressed in that meeting,” he continued. (RELATED: LeBron James Laments That NBA Could Be Harmed ‘Financially’ By Rockets GM’s Pro-Hong Kong Stance)

The comments by James were made during a players meeting on Oct. 9 before the Lakers vs. Nets game in Shanghai, according to a report published by The Athletic.

[matchman]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-15/u-s-house-passes-bill-aimed-at-supporting-hong-kong-protests




The U.S. House gave support to pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong by passing a bill that would require an annual review of whether the city is sufficiently autonomous from Beijing to justify its special trading status under U.S. law.

The Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act is one of four measures passed by the House Tuesday in unanimous voice votes. The bill provides for sanctions against officials “responsible for undermining fundamental freedoms and autonomy in Hong Kong.”

A similar bill is also before the Senate, though the timing of a vote there remains uncertain. The legislation has bipartisan support in both chambers.

Demonstrators Attend Rally In Support Of The Hong Kong Human Rights And Democracy Act
Demonstrators wave U.S. flags during a rally in support of the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, Oct. 14.Photographer: Chan Long Hei/Bloomberg

Thousands of protesters gathered on Monday in Hong Kong’s central district to support the legislation, many of them waving American flags. A spokesman for the Hong Kong government “expressed regret“ over the rally calling for the U.S. legislation’s passage.

“Human rights and freedoms in Hong Kong are fully protected by the Basic Law, the Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance and other legislation. The HKSAR government attaches great importance to them and is determined to safeguard them,” the spokesman said, referring to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

‘Grossly Interferes’
The Chinese government opposes the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, H.R. 3289, saying that it “grossly interferes in China’s internal affairs.”

“China strongly urges certain people in the U.S. Congress to grasp the situation, immediately stop advancing the bill regarding Hong Kong and interfering in Hong Kong’s affairs to avoid further damaging China-U.S. relations,” said Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The House passed H.Res. 543, a resolution reaffirming the relationship between the U.S. and Hong Kong, condemning Chinese interference in the region and voicing support for protesters, some of whom have visited Capitol Hill in recent weeks.


Also passed was the Protect Hong Kong Act, H.R. 4270, which would halt the export to Hong Kong of crowd-control devices such as tear gas and rubber bullets. The bill is intended to prevent police in Hong Kong from using those non-lethal weapons on protesters.

[kane]

is he a hypocrite or does he not agree?

there is a difference.

so he doesn't believe the gross injustices are going on in china? maybe he's one ignorant of the facts, or worse yet he does and says nothing which is even worse

Read on Twitter

he could care less about the people of HK, if he truly wants to take a stand it would of been the perfect time, but no he only cares about "the timing" aka when hes in china

[jvsimonetti0514]

I find the notion that people are so critical of Lebron for an issue that affects him financially that he also has more knowledge of from the Chinese point of view .

when also the United States has the similar situations , history has proven the government often uses violence to solve its means

in addition the idea that Lebron feels pressure at all when he is an athlete but politicians who are paid to take stances for the people they represent are pretty darn quiet .

The Chinese point of view is that Hong Kong has too many freedoms and they need to have less of them. That's not a defenseable position to take at all. Now they're using their market to crush dissent in other countries. ESPN has been running communist propaganda for days calling pro democracy protests anti government demonstrations. They still use slave labor and there's literally three ethnic cleansing going on in their country at the same time. One going on with Muslims another one with Catholics, and the last and longest with the Buddhist in Tibet. The protesters are literally waving American flags and singing the national anthem for the NBA to not have their backs is disgusting. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about several of the people running for President have commented on the situation as well as several Republicans.

most of what you say about the chinese applies to americans as well

americans are constantly fighting with their govt. for more rights and often lose because their politicians are bought and paid for .

americans use slave labor via the 13th amendment(prison labor)

americans have done the ethnic cleansing thing and continue to do so(ask our 1st nations people on that topic )

police are going in people's homes here and shooting them without cause , over 1000 people get shot yearly by police and most of them are unarmed .

in no way reasonable way are american citizens considered among the freest people on earth considering it has more prisoners than any other country (roughly 25% of inmmates worldwide are american despite the united states having about 5% of the world's population)

there are literally hundreds of congressmen and congresswomen , 100 senators and about 10 people running for president .

a handful of people is not very many considering the size of the pool and it shouldn't take a daryl morey tweet to spring them into action

so i actually don't think you know what you are talking about.

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

[Sark]

Sht just got real

[blanko]

Btw isn't AOC and Bernie minimal on this issue also? Well it makes sense, they would not go against a true socialist regime.

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Communist party running capitalism.....ie nationalistic / fascist capitalism, which is worse than MNC-led capitalism.

You calling the peoples republic of China and the communist party of china facist?

Government controlled economy is still a government controlled economy.

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