Pre-season Game 4: Detroit Pistons 2-1 @ Philadelphia 76ers Tue. 7PM

[Snakebites]

I'm so over this team already, season hasnt even started

Caan't wait until this team is finally forced to rebuild and refresh the roster completely

Ha! Proof that it’s not just me.

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

[flow]

Im looking to see if he can be a starter. Give him the ball and in this game he must have 5+ TO, not counting the 2 inbounds passes TO.

For a guy that is supposed to be a key member of the team, letting him try to be the man has looked horrible.

It makes me see why Brown keeps starting. When they have scrimmages it must look like this sometimes.

You know who I think is complete trash? Our worst player is Thon Maker. He needs to get out of the league. He is complete rubbish and I think he should be the one getting cut but we're in need of big men. If there's by any chance he can maybe play 10-20 good games this season maybe he might stay in the league. But I'm telling you, he won't have 10 good games. That's how much I think he sucks.

I agree with you here. But apparently the coach somehow sees things differently. It's like SVG never left.

Here's the article quote from last night, followed by the link....

"Maker – whom Casey said on Monday has had the best two weeks of all Pistons big men – finished with two points, 10 rebounds and five assists."

https://www.nba.com/pistons/features/no-drummond-no-griffin-shorthanded-pistons-cant-generate-enough-scoring-loss-philly

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[DBC10]

I'm so over this team already, season hasnt even started

Caan't wait until this team is finally forced to rebuild and refresh the roster completely

Ha! Proof that it’s not just me.

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

No one's excited for the next 5 years (1/4+ of our capspace) of Drummond attempting 3s to "evolve" his game while his athleticism slowly declines? /sarcasm


Anyways, I really thought Sekou would be more ready than he is now. The fact that Casey has barely played him these preseason suggests he's going to be marinating with the G-League in and out the entire season.

[Manocad]

I'm so over this team already, season hasnt even started

Caan't wait until this team is finally forced to rebuild and refresh the roster completely

Ha! Proof that it’s not just me.

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

I completely echo that sentiment. It's hard to explain to people how a 17/15 center could be so undesirable, but that's the truth IMO. You pay a ton of money for the points and boards and get nothing else of positive value, and certainly some things of negative value. Like "Why the hell would you not want a 17/15 center?" And all you can say is "Trust--me just watch him play. You'll get it."

[edmunder_prc]

Im looking to see if he can be a starter. Give him the ball and in this game he must have 5+ TO, not counting the 2 inbounds passes TO.

For a guy that is supposed to be a key member of the team, letting him try to be the man has looked horrible.

It makes me see why Brown keeps starting. When they have scrimmages it must look like this sometimes.

I'm gonna agree mostly with this. I want to add that yes he looks bad now but you have to keep trying for him to improve. You know who I think is complete trash? Our worst player is Thon Maker. He needs to get out of the league. He is complete rubbish and I think he should be the one getting cut but we're in need of big men. If there's by any chance he can maybe play 10-20 good games this season maybe he might stay in the league. But I'm telling you, he won't have 10 good games. That's how much I think he sucks.

There is plenty of to spread around.

Thon is HORRIBLE. The pick and roll doesnt work with him. He cant even dunk. He cant catch a pass as he rolls. He cant shoot. A pick and roll with Thon becomes three defenders swarming the ball handler. Everyone knows the ball handler is screwed and just swarms him.

Actually I can see why Kennard looked a little worse than usual, since defense could double the ball handler all times since Thon was useless and didnt need to be guarded. He cant even dunk, hes that bad.

Pelle was an undrafted guy ? on PHI. We could have picked Tacko, he would be better than this.

The GM knew all we had was Dre and Thon at C and thought that was a good thing?

[Moses ShamMoses]

Does it bother anybody else that the likes of Langston Galloway and Joe Johnson, who aren't part of long-term plans, are taking minutes from our young guys Svi and Khyri?

[JohnReese]

Cut Joe Johnson, trade Galloway and 1 or 2 second round picks for Ntilikina and trade Reggie for a center like Biyombo or Plumlee.

[Canadafan]

Cut Joe Johnson, trade Galloway and 1 or 2 second round picks for Ntilikina and trade Reggie for a center like Biyombo or Plumlee.

Maybe SVI or Kyrie along with Thon for Ntilikina. Works out perfectly cap wise. We take on a few hundred thousand less. Done.

[DBC10]

Cut Joe Johnson, trade Galloway and 1 or 2 second round picks for Ntilikina and trade Reggie for a center like Biyombo or Plumlee.

Maybe SVI or Kyrie along with Thon for Ntilikina. Works out perfectly cap wise. We take on a few hundred thousand less. Done.

NYK has like half the league's forwards signed to 1-2 year deals, I don't think they need Thon. It'd probably for one of the forwards instead.

I'm not even sure if they'll take any of our players. They just want to see DSJ and RJ grow and everyone else is just to preserve cap or be flexible with assets.

[edmunder_prc]

Cut Joe Johnson, trade Galloway and 1 or 2 second round picks for Ntilikina and trade Reggie for a center like Biyombo or Plumlee.

Trading Reggie should be #1 on the list.

Frazier plays fine. Rose is no worse than Reggie. Brown can play 3rd point if need be.

But hopefully getting somebody who can play would be nice. Bigs are undervalued now, PG overvalued. Use that to our benefit.

Cant we get someone like Noel for a 2025 2nd round pick? Im dumbfounded.

Cut iso Joe. Trade galloway. Trade Khyri if is isnt playable. Trade or cut the fat.

[NYPiston]

I'm so over this team already, season hasnt even started

Caan't wait until this team is finally forced to rebuild and refresh the roster completely

That's what I'm waiting for. This season and next season is just killing time until they can start fresh. Watch them re-sign Drummond to the supermax and prolong the mediocrity another 5 years

[JNewton]

Ha! Proof that it’s not just me.

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

I completely echo that sentiment. It's hard to explain to people how a 17/15 center could be so undesirable, but that's the truth IMO. You pay a ton of money for the points and boards and get nothing else of positive value, and certainly some things of negative value. Like "Why the hell would you not want a 17/15 center?" And all you can say is "Trust--me just watch him play. You'll get it."

The bottom line for me is Andre Drummond has been on the team for almost a decade and the Pistons have ONE season with a better than .500 record in that time. It's not that he's a terrible player but he hasn't been able to elevate the team to a point where they should be afraid to try life without him, certainly in a new era where traditional big men carry little value.

[Snakebites]

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

I completely echo that sentiment. It's hard to explain to people how a 17/15 center could be so undesirable, but that's the truth IMO. You pay a ton of money for the points and boards and get nothing else of positive value, and certainly some things of negative value. Like "Why the hell would you not want a 17/15 center?" And all you can say is "Trust--me just watch him play. You'll get it."

The bottom line for me is Andre Drummond has been on the team for almost a decade and the Pistons have ONE season with a better than .500 record in that time. It's not that he's a terrible player but he hasn't been able to elevate the team to a point where they should be afraid to try life without him, certainly in a new era where traditional big men carry little value.

He's not a terrible player.

He's just a player who doesn't have intangibles to match his volume stats. His impact on the game doesn't extend all that far beyond his rebounding. A bigman with zero range and a weak post game is not a net positive as a scorer even if he averages 17 points per game, and he's never been consistent defensively.

[zeebneeb]

Ha! Proof that it’s not just me.

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

No one's excited for the next 5 years (1/4+ of our capspace) of Drummond attempting 3s to "evolve" his game while his athleticism slowly declines? /sarcasm


Anyways, I really thought Sekou would be more ready than he is now. The fact that Casey has barely played him these preseason suggests he's going to be marinating with the G-League in and out the entire season.

I have never understood the Andre hate, but I do understand the inconsistency problem. Besides that though, why in the ever loving hell did the Pistons not trade that pick, or pick a player more able to help the team?

By not unloading Blake for picks, and unloading everyone, it sends a signal that they are going for it, except they pick a player who they won't play/can't play.

This is the dumbest period in Pistons franchise history I can remember. Either commit to a rebuild, or go for the gold and go big. Now, could they have a trade brewing to signal their intentions? Yup, but if they stand pat, or only make minor moves, it is a complete and utter indictment of the front office and ownership at this point.

If there is one thing the majority of Piston fans can agree on, it's either piss, or get off the pot. This half way horsecrap is infuriating. I'm fine with a total rebuild. I'm also fine with being super aggressive and going for it while you have Blake in his prime.

Anything less and I'm done until the front office is fired, or Gores sells the damn team.

[Snakebites]

Honestly, even the prospect of a rebuild looks dubious.

Gores talking about a possible Dre extension filled me with a level of existential dread I didn’t think it was still possible to feel for this team. I thought for sure I’d bottomed out.

No one's excited for the next 5 years (1/4+ of our capspace) of Drummond attempting 3s to "evolve" his game while his athleticism slowly declines? /sarcasm


Anyways, I really thought Sekou would be more ready than he is now. The fact that Casey has barely played him these preseason suggests he's going to be marinating with the G-League in and out the entire season.

I have never understood the Andre hate, but I do understand the inconsistency problem. Besides that though, why in the ever loving hell did the Pistons not trade that pick, or pick a player more able to help the team?

By not unloading Blake for picks, and unloading everyone, it sends a signal that they are going for it, except they pick a player who they won't play/can't play.

This is the dumbest period in Pistons franchise history I can remember. Either commit to a rebuild, or go for the gold and go big. Now, could they have a trade brewing to signal their intentions? Yup, but if they stand pat, or only make minor moves, it is a complete and utter indictment of the front office and ownership at this point.

If there is one thing the majority of Piston fans can agree on, it's either piss, or get off the pot. This half way horsecrap is infuriating. I'm fine with a total rebuild. I'm also fine with being super aggressive and going for it while you have Blake in his prime.

Anything less and I'm done until the front office is fired, or Gores sells the damn team.

Yeah, I disagree with the whole "just pick a direction".

There is only one correct direction. Total rebuild. The more our approach differs from that approach the worse off we are. I'd rather see us do nothing and stand pat than give up draft picks and take on veteran salary.

Hopefully we'll be wise and not commit max money to Andre. Regardless of whether you like him or not, it should be uncontroversial that he isn't a max player.

[zeebneeb]

No one's excited for the next 5 years (1/4+ of our capspace) of Drummond attempting 3s to "evolve" his game while his athleticism slowly declines? /sarcasm


Anyways, I really thought Sekou would be more ready than he is now. The fact that Casey has barely played him these preseason suggests he's going to be marinating with the G-League in and out the entire season.

I have never understood the Andre hate, but I do understand the inconsistency problem. Besides that though, why in the ever loving hell did the Pistons not trade that pick, or pick a player more able to help the team?

By not unloading Blake for picks, and unloading everyone, it sends a signal that they are going for it, except they pick a player who they won't play/can't play.

This is the dumbest period in Pistons franchise history I can remember. Either commit to a rebuild, or go for the gold and go big. Now, could they have a trade brewing to signal their intentions? Yup, but if they stand pat, or only make minor moves, it is a complete and utter indictment of the front office and ownership at this point.

If there is one thing the majority of Piston fans can agree on, it's either piss, or get off the pot. This half way horsecrap is infuriating. I'm fine with a total rebuild. I'm also fine with being super aggressive and going for it while you have Blake in his prime.

Anything less and I'm done until the front office is fired, or Gores sells the damn team.

Yeah, I disagree with the whole "just pick a direction".

There is only one correct direction. Total rebuild. The more our approach differs from that approach the worse off we are. I'd rather see us do nothing and stand pat than give up draft picks and take on veteran salary.

Hopefully we'll be wise and not commit max money to Andre. Regardless of whether you like him or not, it should be uncontroversial that he isn't a max player.

You disagree with me? That's something new.

I disagree about Andre. I'm not going to quibble over a few million bucks for a player of his caliber.

So what would you pay him? 90% 85% 70% of a max deal?

I firmly believe you put a really talented SF, or SG on this team and it becomes really deadly. You add both a good SF, and SG your going places.

As is, it's a 42-53 win team, second round exit if lucky.

I am also fine with a complete rebuild, but its painfully obvious the front office doesn't know how to do that, or doesnt care.

So why should I care about the team?

[Snakebites]

I have never understood the Andre hate, but I do understand the inconsistency problem. Besides that though, why in the ever loving hell did the Pistons not trade that pick, or pick a player more able to help the team?

By not unloading Blake for picks, and unloading everyone, it sends a signal that they are going for it, except they pick a player who they won't play/can't play.

This is the dumbest period in Pistons franchise history I can remember. Either commit to a rebuild, or go for the gold and go big. Now, could they have a trade brewing to signal their intentions? Yup, but if they stand pat, or only make minor moves, it is a complete and utter indictment of the front office and ownership at this point.

If there is one thing the majority of Piston fans can agree on, it's either piss, or get off the pot. This half way horsecrap is infuriating. I'm fine with a total rebuild. I'm also fine with being super aggressive and going for it while you have Blake in his prime.

Anything less and I'm done until the front office is fired, or Gores sells the damn team.

Yeah, I disagree with the whole "just pick a direction".

There is only one correct direction. Total rebuild. The more our approach differs from that approach the worse off we are. I'd rather see us do nothing and stand pat than give up draft picks and take on veteran salary.

Hopefully we'll be wise and not commit max money to Andre. Regardless of whether you like him or not, it should be uncontroversial that he isn't a max player.

You disagree with me? That's something new.

I disagree about Andre. I'm not going to quibble over a few million bucks for a player of his caliber.

So what would you pay him? 90% 85% 70% of a max deal?

I firmly believe you put a really talented SF, or SG on this team and it becomes really deadly. You add both a good SF, and SG your going places.

As is, it's a 42-53 win team, second round exit if lucky.

I am also fine with a complete rebuild, but its painfully obvious the front office doesn't know how to do that, or doesnt care.

So why should I care about the team?

I don’t know that you should. Not my job to sell you on caring.

It’s hard for me to say how much I’d give Dre since resigning him simply isn’t the direction I want us moving in.

His impact is lower than his stats and his player type becomes less relevant each year.

[DBC10]

I have never understood the Andre hate, but I do understand the inconsistency problem. Besides that though, why in the ever loving hell did the Pistons not trade that pick, or pick a player more able to help the team?

By not unloading Blake for picks, and unloading everyone, it sends a signal that they are going for it, except they pick a player who they won't play/can't play.

This is the dumbest period in Pistons franchise history I can remember. Either commit to a rebuild, or go for the gold and go big. Now, could they have a trade brewing to signal their intentions? Yup, but if they stand pat, or only make minor moves, it is a complete and utter indictment of the front office and ownership at this point.

If there is one thing the majority of Piston fans can agree on, it's either piss, or get off the pot. This half way horsecrap is infuriating. I'm fine with a total rebuild. I'm also fine with being super aggressive and going for it while you have Blake in his prime.

Anything less and I'm done until the front office is fired, or Gores sells the damn team.

Yeah, I disagree with the whole "just pick a direction".

There is only one correct direction. Total rebuild. The more our approach differs from that approach the worse off we are. I'd rather see us do nothing and stand pat than give up draft picks and take on veteran salary.

Hopefully we'll be wise and not commit max money to Andre. Regardless of whether you like him or not, it should be uncontroversial that he isn't a max player.

You disagree with me? That's something new.

I disagree about Andre. I'm not going to quibble over a few million bucks for a player of his caliber.

So what would you pay him? 90% 85% 70% of a max deal?

I firmly believe you put a really talented SF, or SG on this team and it becomes really deadly. You add both a good SF, and SG your going places.

As is, it's a 42-53 win team, second round exit if lucky.

I am also fine with a complete rebuild, but its painfully obvious the front office doesn't know how to do that, or doesnt care.

So why should I care about the team?

Thing is, if you add Dre to the max or X-Y-Z of his percentage of Max contract, you're still dealing with the fact that we'll have basically maxed out more than(?) half of our cap space on our frontcourt alone. That leaves not a lot of options for solid SFs or SGs that are looking rarer each year that aren't rookies or rookie scale contracts. Plus those same SFs and SGs come at a vast premium too, so almost 3/4 of cap space tied to SF/SG, PF, and Drummond? At a minimum, you may be able to have a big 3 of Dre, Blake, and up-and-coming SG/SF like Jaylen Brown? Meh. IMO our flexibility is hampered if we continue down this route of investing in our frontcourt first and then filling out the rest mantra.