Celtics exposed?

[ajones9219]

The Sixers backup center position was a black hole last year. It's why Embiid had some crazy on/off numbers because when he went out, they had nothing. Now they can play Horford at the 4 when Embiid is in and then slide Horford to the 5 when Embiid goes out. It's a massive upgrade.

They also added Josh Richardson who they will use to guard the smaller quicker guards. The Sixers were pretty bad at defending PGs last year.

They are also pretty excited about Matisse Thybulle. He looks like he could be a young Robert Covington off the bench. Defensively he already looks incredible. Hopefully, it will translate from the pre-season to the regular season.

They lost Redick's sharp shooting and Butler was a good closer and defender but the team just fits better as a whole now. It's going to be interesting to see how teams attack their huge lineups.

This is downplaying butler's importance while hyping Horford. It's also over hyping defense at the expense of offense. Nobody disagrees that the Sixers defense should be legit. I question if Embiid, tobias and Simmons provide enough offense for it to make a difference. Al Horford hasn't been a guy to lean on offensively in 2 years and Richardson while a good shooter isnt a guy you want to lean on in a close game. Teams can pack the paint against the Sixers because they have no semblance of an outside game

Too me Philly basically treaded water with an improved defense and less spacing on offense. Maybe there is some internal growth from the young guys. The main thing is that all of the teams that were clearly ahead lost key pieces so they are definitely in the top tier now. A much wider tier than last year's top.

Yes I do think they are still in the upper tier and that tier has flattened out a bit. My original point is the people who are saying they made some massive improvement in talent are high lol

[ajones9219]

you can get cute all you want about ''subjectivity'' but i can almost guarantee if the 3 of them were able to be hired by any team starting a franchise ; stevens gets picked first

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

That's like saying you can't objectively say taco fall isnt better than Durant because hes yet to play an NBA game. Steven's has several years of being a top tier coach. Nurse has one good year with a very good roster right off the bat. We will see how he does moving forward but theres no way at this point to say hes a better coach than Stevens or most of the rest of the coaches in the league

[Duffman100]

you can get cute all you want about ''subjectivity'' but i can almost guarantee if the 3 of them were able to be hired by any team starting a franchise ; stevens gets picked first

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

That's like saying you can't objectively say taco fall isnt better than Durant because hes yet to play an NBA game.

Except that makes zero sense as a comparison. Nurse has coached a full NBA season.

[ajones9219]

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

That's like saying you can't objectively say taco fall isnt better than Durant because hes yet to play an NBA game.

Except that makes zero sense as a comparison. Nurse has coached a full NBA season.

After one year guys like Tyron Lue were being hailed as great coaches. One year is not enough. You need to show it over 3 or 4 seasons imo

[Duffman100]

That's like saying you can't objectively say taco fall isnt better than Durant because hes yet to play an NBA game.

Except that makes zero sense as a comparison. Nurse has coached a full NBA season.

After one year guys like Tyron Lue were being hailed as great coaches. One year is not enough. You need to show it over 3 or 4 seasons imo

Sure, but again, objectively, there's no way to say Stevens is better than Nurse.

Nurse just coached a team to the championship. Regardless if he had Kawhi or not, that's something that can't be ignored.

[ITYSL]

I really dont get the philly love. The essentially traded reddick and jimmy butler for a worse player in al horford at a redundant position and now somehow they are world beaters? I guess I don't see it. They are going to be a good defensive team but its not like butler was a poor defender by any stretch and they lost a ton of offensive firepower. I love Horford as a player but I don't see how he moves the needle

Not sure it's Philly love as much as it is some teams like the Celtics and Raps losing key players and taking a step back. Yeah, Philly lost Redick but they got Richardson. Lost Butler but they got Horford (at the expense of the Celtics). I'd expect Simmons and Embiid to continue improving. That should keep them at about the same level they were on last season, which likely gets them ahead of Boston and Toronto.

The Sixers backup center position was a black hole last year. It's why Embiid had some crazy on/off numbers because when he went out, they had nothing. Now they can play Horford at the 4 when Embiid is in and then slide Horford to the 5 when Embiid goes out. It's a massive upgrade.

They also added Josh Richardson who they will use to guard the smaller quicker guards. The Sixers were pretty bad at defending PGs last year.

They are also pretty excited about Matisse Thybulle. He looks like he could be a young Robert Covington off the bench. Defensively he already looks incredible. Hopefully, it will translate from the pre-season to the regular season.

They lost Redick's sharp shooting and Butler was a good closer and defender but the team just fits better as a whole now. It's going to be interesting to see how teams attack their huge lineups.

I keep hearing that point about Horford from a lot of Philly fans. The thing is, Horford isn't going to be playing 48 mpg. So there will still be either a hole at the 4 or the 5 some of the time when Embiid is out. But yes, I agree that it's a major upgrade, and combining that with the loss of Horford for the Cs creates that more clear gap between the two.

Overall I think that Philly fans are shrugging off the losses of Butler and Redick a bit too much, but gaining Horford and Richardson are definitely good gets. And yes, Thybulle has looked fantastic thus far. I'd be totally psyched about my team if I was a Sixers fan right now. And I'm psyched about the Celtics as a Celtics fan. Even if they're not a top East team, I think they'll just be a lot more fun to watch this season. Good luck to ya

[ajones9219]

Except that makes zero sense as a comparison. Nurse has coached a full NBA season.

After one year guys like Tyron Lue were being hailed as great coaches. One year is not enough. You need to show it over 3 or 4 seasons imo

Sure, but again, objectively, there's no way to say Stevens is better than Nurse.

Nurse just coached a team to the championship. Regardless if he had Kawhi or not, that's something that can't be ignored.

As did doc rivers. Couldnt stand him as a coach then and still cant now. We'll agree to disagree and see how both coaches do this year

[MagicBagley18]

you can get cute all you want about ''subjectivity'' but i can almost guarantee if the 3 of them were able to be hired by any team starting a franchise ; stevens gets picked first

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

[Blaze4G]

I think the Celtics have the best player and best coach out of the Raps/Pacers/ Celtics and the better combo than the Nets until KD gets back.
Point is that it's not crazy to put them ahead of those teams in any way.

Best coach I agree, best player I am not so sure. I think lowry, siakam and kemba are pretty even. I would add Tatum into that ...dont think tatum is on their level yet but after this season I think he will be.

However, imo I would pick the celtics 10 out of 10 times to have a better record than raps this year. Celtics has multiple players that are expected to make leaps this season. Raps only have siakam to take a next leap.

Bruh I know you didnt just say Lowry and siakem are even with Kemba lmao

Lol I just don't think there is a big difference. Lowry and siakam plays great defense which Kemba lacks. I would want Kemba over Lowry for sure mainly because of age. However, siakam, not so sure.

[Duffman100]

you can get cute all you want about ''subjectivity'' but i can almost guarantee if the 3 of them were able to be hired by any team starting a franchise ; stevens gets picked first

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

[Duffman100]

After one year guys like Tyron Lue were being hailed as great coaches. One year is not enough. You need to show it over 3 or 4 seasons imo

Sure, but again, objectively, there's no way to say Stevens is better than Nurse.

Nurse just coached a team to the championship. Regardless if he had Kawhi or not, that's something that can't be ignored.

As did doc rivers. Couldnt stand him as a coach then and still cant now. We'll agree to disagree and see how both coaches do this year

And yet Doc Rivers made the playoffs in a competitive West with a scrappy Clippers team and gave a fight against the Warriors.

[SmartWentCrazy]

That's the thing. I think the Celtics are going to be a good team!

I don't want to come into this thread and gang up, wasn't my intention. I see the Celtics, Raps, Nets and Pacers all on equal footing until the season starts rolling and we get a better idea.

You’re good here— the gang up happened in the first 12 or so pages and the last 8 have been Celtics fans being salty.

Excited for the season to begin— its nice [for me, at least] to have no expectations, feels good to be able to just enjoy basketball again and not fret over individual wins and losses.

I'm keeping Tatum in my fantasy, think he's gonna breakout? I'm sort of counting on it.

My rule of thumb is to buy on players that have become viewed as ‘overrated’ by the general consensus as that likely means the player has become underrated. Tatum definitely falls in that category.

I think he’ll put up 21-7-3 on 46/38/85 splits.

[MagicBagley18]

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year.

you're just being ridiculous with that ''not being in the league comment'' does us not being in the league mean we can't tell kevin durant is a better player than another player? does us not being in the league mean that certain coaches aren't better than others who were fired?

when a coach is universally accepted as one of the best coaches in the league by former players, coaches, analysts etc it carries weight. stevens has a resume' of exceeding expectations and is routinely heralded as one of the best coaches in the league and one of the brightest offensive strategists .

mcmillan is on his 3rd stint and known for defense if you need to be a player in the league to know whose a better coach you're clueless

[MagicBagley18]

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year.

you're just being ridiculous with that ''not being in the league comment'' does us not being in the league mean we can't tell kevin durant is a better player than another player? does us not being in the league mean that certain coaches aren't better than others who were fired?

when a coach is universally accepted as one of the best coaches in the league by former players, coaches, analysts etc it carries weight. stevens has a resume' of exceeding expectations and is routinely heralded as one of the best coaches in the league and one of the brightest offensive strategists .

mcmillan is on his 3rd stint and known for defense if you need to be a player in the league to know whose a better coach you're clueless

[Duffman100]

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year.

So.... what are you basing that on?

[MagicBagley18]

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

it is though because most of sports is subjective, even your little reply is ''cute''. mcmillan can't carry stevens jockstrap

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year. i never mentioned him definitively being better than nurse, although i do and most woud agree IMO and i think after this season we will see it is much harder than he or raptors fans think

you're just being ridiculous with that ''not being in the league comment'' does us not being in the league mean we can't tell kevin durant is a better player than another player? does us not being in the league mean that certain coaches aren't better than others who were fired?

when a coach is universally accepted as one of the best coaches in the league by former players, coaches, analysts etc it carries weight. stevens has a resume' of exceeding expectations and is routinely heralded as one of the best coaches in the league and one of the brightest offensive strategists .

mcmillan is on his 3rd stint and known for defense if you need to be a player in the league to know whose a better coach you're clueless

[MagicBagley18]

With players there is data you can rely on.

As someone not in the league nor involved with teams, it's really hard to know which coaches are better than others, since so much is dictated by talent.

To say there is no doubt that Stevens is better than Nurse is 'cute'. Especially with the way the Celtics locker room unfolded last year.

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year.

So.... what are you basing that on?

idk just the fact that he's overachieved every year minus last, known as a genious of ATO And play execution, has had team success on the defensive end even as personal has changed, a new roster almost ever year and oh he is universally talked about and respected by players, former players, coaches, former coaches and analysts as one of the best in the league.

the fact that he had success on the college level and now the nba level.....that's all

[Duffman100]

that's why i said he is better than mcmillan without a doubt and i think he could do the exact job that nurse did and nurse woulld crumble even worse with the celtics last year.

So.... what are you basing that on?

idk just the fact that he's overachieved every year minus last, known as a genious of ATO And play execution, has had team success on the defensive end even as personal has changed, a new roster almost ever year and oh he is universally talked about and respected by players, former players, coaches, former coaches and analysts as one of the best in the league.

the fact that he had success on the college level and now the nba level.....that's all

So then... very little in terms of actual tangible data. Which would mean it's very ... subjective.

[SmartWentCrazy]

you can get cute all you want about ''subjectivity'' but i can almost guarantee if the 3 of them were able to be hired by any team starting a franchise ; stevens gets picked first

It's not cute.

Provide me objective data that Stevens is better than Nurse.

He’s not. Some wont want to admit it, but Nurse is a better coach based on what we saw last year. Things absolutely could change, but I can only go by what I’ve seen and that means Nurse is better right now.

[MagicBagley18]

So.... what are you basing that on?

idk just the fact that he's overachieved every year minus last, known as a genious of ATO And play execution, has had team success on the defensive end even as personal has changed, a new roster almost ever year and oh he is universally talked about and respected by players, former players, coaches, former coaches and analysts as one of the best in the league.

the fact that he had success on the college level and now the nba level.....that's all

So then... very little in terms of actual tangible data. Which would mean it's very ... subjective.

no the data would suggest i'm correct and back up my theory except i don't need to provide data for something so obvious and i feel sorry that you can't come to a common sense deduction based off actual merit and own knowledge of the game and you have to resort to only data because of your limited scope so you use ''data'' as a crutch.

you're fighting to fight and use the veil of subjectivity to mask your diminished ability to have a counter argument about point's i have made. your take your data and have fun, be a human and a fan not a computer with testicles.

stevens>>>>>>>mcmillan take that for data!