Welcome Zhaire Smith

Kobblehead · Post #1181 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:42 pm

76ciology wrote:More athletic version of Luwawu Cabarot

I think he's closer to being a shorter and bulkier version of Kelly Oubre.

76ciology · Post #1182 » by **76ciology** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:More athletic version of Luwawu Cabarot

I think he's closer to being a shorter and bulkier version of Kelly Oubre.

More athletic version of Willie Green

ankle420breaker · Post #1183 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:18 pm

We just picked up his 3rd year option.

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Kobblehead · Post #1184 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:41 pm

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/17/sixers-to-use-g-league-accordingly-is-an-option-for-zhaire-smith/

Sounds like way more than just being an option. Brett seems to be heavily alluding to wanting Zhaire in the G-League.

SixthStreet · Post #1185 » by **SixthStreet** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:07 pm

Thybulle’s emergence gives us the luxury to have Zhaire work on skill development in the G. That’s a win win situation.

Kobblehead · Post #1186 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:23 pm

Thybulle beating him out is one thing.

I don't know how we can look at it as anything but a disappointment that Zhaire couldn't beat out Shake Milton and Furkan Korkmaz for playing time, though.

Post #1187 » by **Sixerscan** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Thybulle beating him out is one thing.

I don't know how we can look at it as anything but a disappointment that Zhaire couldn't beat out Shake Milton and Furkan Korkmaz for playing time, though.

Both of those guys are young players that have looked good in the preseason and we have under control past this year. Heck Shake is under contract for longer than Zhaire is. It's not like he's getting benched for Damien Wilkins or something.

Shake spent all last year in the G League and it seemed like it helped his game a lot. If Zhaire ends up down there for a bit it could be the best thing that happened to him.

Ericb5 · Post #1188 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:38 am

Zhaire was a raw athlete as a prospect already, and then last year was mostly wasted development wise.

Thybulle played 4 years of college, and is two years older than Smith.

Smith can be a 2 year old prospect playing most of the time in the gleague this year.

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rzzzzz · Post #1189 » by **rzzzzz** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:54 pm

Sixerscan wrote:If Zhaire ends up down there for a bit it could be the best thing that happened to him.

Pretty low bar, considering what a nightmare his Philly experience has been so far. Best thing for HIM of course is playing time instead of being red shirted. Maybe his agent can facilitate a trade.

Ericb5 · Post #1190 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:55 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:If Zhaire ends up down there for a bit it could be the best thing that happened to him.

Pretty low bar, considering what a nightmare his Philly experience has been so far. Best thing for HIM of course is playing time instead of being red shirted. Maybe his agent can facilitate a trade.

That isn't necessarily true. He is 20 years old in a great program with a great player development situation. Simply getting thrown to the wolves on a tanking team would get him more minutes, but wouldn't necessarily be better for his development long term.

He isn't one of these mega talents that are automatically destined to be a starter someday in the league. He needs to develop the skills to earn that role.

Forget this year in terms of his contribution on the court. If he works hard and keeps his nose clean there is every possibility of him having a role next year.

Kobblehead · Post #1191 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:35 pm

If I had to guess, I think the organization already views him as a trade chip. He couldn't beat out Matisse Thybulle, James Ennis, Furkan Korkmaz or Shake Milton for playing time and all those guys are essentially back again next year.

blargh · Post #1192 » by **blargh** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:46 pm

He’s a project, and given that we’re a contender, every project is a trade chip. If we can make ourselves better this season, I think anyone on the team short of Ben, Embiid, and maybe Richardson is fair game. Even Thybulle. We liked Shamet, and he was gone for the right deal.

eyeatoma · Post #1193 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:28 am

I guarantee Thybulle isn't going anywhere.

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rzzzzz · Post #1194 » by **rzzzzz** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:18 pm

Ericb5 wrote: He is 20 years old in a great program with a great player development situation.

Is it? Sincerely, who have we truly developed here? Ben has had the advantage of choosing exactly how he wishes to be deployed, with our schemes largely built around his considerable talents. And yet he's only now exhibiting some progress on skills he should have been working on all along. Embiid came in as a transformational phenom, and maybe we've finally gotten a handle on his load management, but i kind of feel like we keep moving away from the down low strength that Bill Self successfully instilled. Shamet was a natural before he got here, and not only did it take a little extra time to get him onto the court, but he really didn't get fully implemented until he got to the Clippers. I never felt that that Dario ever got to be the point forward distributor that made him a wunderkind in Europe, Nerlens was real unhappy, you can't say that OK4 was successful. And we're not going to take credit for JJ or Jimmy. Harris has yet to look as good here as elsewhere. I'll give you RoCo. And Thybulle has fallen into the right situation, where he is given the attention and opportunity to take advantage of his unique skills. Generally, we have a really good roster, enough so that anything less than the finals would be a real disappointment. but player development?

Kobblehead · Post #1195 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:45 pm

I think Zhaire's "rawness" is overstated.

He's raw on the ball as a shotcreater and playmaker, but we have no need for him in a role like that.

He's a born-ready defender with cutting and crashing ability. And his shot isn't even that far away. I don't understand why Brett doesn't think he's playable yet. Everything about his game is plug and play.

APettyJ · Post #1196 » by **APettyJ** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think Zhaire's "rawness" is overstated.

He's raw on the ball as a shotcreater and playmaker, but we have no need for him in a role like that.

He's a born-ready defender with cutting and crashing ability. And his shot isn't even that far away. I don't understand why Brett doesn't think he's playable yet. Everything about his game is plug and play.

Perhaps it's not the Brett "thinks" he's not ready. Rather, Brett and the organization have the luxury to be in a position where they can take their time in bringing him along, letting him become proficient at the role they have in mind for him through reps in the G league and the occasional "human white/checkered flag" His game doesn't appear to me as clean as Thybulle's, and doesn't have the vet savvy of Ennis, although in many situations that wouldn't stop him from contributing, like for the peak-Process teams or maybe a Brooklyn from last year or Pelicans this year. As it is, they can focus maximizing hus development as there isn't a critical need right now. That could change by the trade deadline, and he could have had enough reps, based on the talent he already has demonstrated, to step in, but right now they can bring him along slowly. Perhaps may see similar for Shake, although I feel he'll spend very little time in Delaware if any.

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Kobblehead · Post #1197 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:15 pm

We're not in a luxurious position. There's no established guy ahead of him.

Ennis is a journeyman JAG.
Thybulle is a rookie that can't score.
Milton is a 2nd round pick.
Korkmaz is a guy on his 2nd chance with the team.

Smith failing to meet expectations of Brett is not a good thing.

76ciology · Post #1198 » by **76ciology** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:45 am

Kobblehead wrote:We're not in a luxurious position. There's no established guy ahead of him.

Ennis is a journeyman JAG.
Thybulle is a rookie that can't score.
Milton is a 2nd round pick.
Korkmaz is a guy on his 2nd chance with the team.

Smith failing to meet expectations of Brett is not a good thing.

Well to be fair.. “he reminds me of Kawhi”

rzzzzz · Post #1199 » by **rzzzzz** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:17 pm

76ciology wrote:. “he reminds me of Kawhi”

Pop had a championship level roster, but he found playing time for the rookie to develop.

Ericb5 · Post #1200 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:50 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think Zhaire's "rawness" is overstated.

He's raw on the ball as a shotcreater and playmaker, but we have no need for him in a role like that.

He's a born-ready defender with cutting and crashing ability. And his shot isn't even that far away. I don't understand why Brett doesn't think he's playable yet. Everything about his game is plug and play.

I think that Thybulle has outplayed him, and that Neto and Burke really needed to be evaluated in the preseason to see what we can get from each of them, so Zhaire has been left behind.

Once we decide what we have for Neto and Burke, who are both just one year rentals so their only utility to the team is what they can provide on the court this year, maybe there will be some minutes for Zhaire.

Up to this point we haven’t had to play him, and he hasn’t been good enough to force our hand.

Ultimately, he hasn’t earned the right to be considered part of our future yet. He is just a prospect. If his utility ends up being as a trade chip then so be it.

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