Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[MGB8]

Only time I was interested in THjr was before/during the 2013 draft.

I have zero interest in this team paying 3 wings $20M+

The bottom line is that, for as bad as Hardaway is, he would help the Bulls as a reserve wing more than the combo of Dunn, Valentine and Felicio will help. The hurt would be next season, his expiring season, when we would have him on that contract.

But, (1) maybe you would be able to swap that expiring contract for some other longer term contract of a better player (who a team is trying to move on from for various reasons, a la Otto Porter), and (2) even if you can't, Bulls wouldn't have cap space in 2020 either way - at 106M without Dunn's salary (but with Felicio and Valentine's, and not including next year's draft pick) so there's no actual impact on flexibility.

So, the bottom line is that the actual impact on finances is just on Reinsdorf's wallet - no lux tax issue, either.

And, in terms of the rotation, Hardaway Jr. as a reserve wing (playing the 3 behind Porter in a platoon with Hutchinson and maybe the super-undersized Harrison) is a big upgrade over having Dunn add very little as a reserve PG (and maybe even being a downgrade for the team as opposed to Archi), Valentine not looking like an NBA player yet, and Felicio doing his best impersonation of Grimmace of McDonald's fame.

IMO, Dunn+Val+Felicio for THjr. is a no brainer if the Mavs want to save some money and/or take a flier on Dunn or Valentine.

[Markksman_24]

Buddy Hield seems unhappy with Sacramento right now. Humor me:

Bulls acquire SG Buddy Hield
Kings acquire C Wendell Carter, PG Kris Dunn, 2021 heavily protected 1st round pick

Bulls roll with a weird lineup of
LaVine/Hield/Porter/Markkanen/Young

Yes, that's Thad Young at the 5, there would be a lot of switching on defense.
BUT, that would be the best 3-point shooting starting lineup in NBA history, once you account for volume. You could even switch Young for Kornet. This is certainly a meathead proposal but it sure would be fun (on offense).

[WYO]

Buddy Hield seems unhappy with Sacramento right now. Humor me:

Bulls acquire SG Buddy Hield
Kings acquire C Wendell Carter, PG Kris Dunn, 2021 heavily protected 1st round pick

Bulls roll with a weird lineup of
LaVine/Hield/Porter/Markkanen/Young

Yes, that's Thad Young at the 5, there would be a lot of switching on defense.
BUT, that would be the best 3-point shooting starting lineup in NBA history, once you account for volume. You could even switch Young for Kornet. This is certainly a meathead proposal but it sure would be fun (on offense).

Buddy would be an interesting guy for the Bulls to chase. I personally don't care for filling traditional roles 1 through 5. Pairing Hield and Lavine in the backcourt could be interesting, but that team could get expensive quickly once Markkanen is up for his extension.

[Ccwatercraft]

Buddy Hield seems unhappy with Sacramento right now. Humor me:

Bulls acquire SG Buddy Hield
Kings acquire C Wendell Carter, PG Kris Dunn, 2021 heavily protected 1st round pick

Bulls roll with a weird lineup of
LaVine/Hield/Porter/Markkanen/Young

Yes, that's Thad Young at the 5, there would be a lot of switching on defense.
BUT, that would be the best 3-point shooting starting lineup in NBA history, once you account for volume. You could even switch Young for Kornet. This is certainly a meathead proposal but it sure would be fun (on offense).

Buddy would be an interesting guy for the Bulls to chase. I personally don't care for filling traditional roles 1 through 5. Pairing Hield and Lavine in the backcourt could be interesting, but that team could get expensive quickly once Markkanen is up for his extension.

I definitely think buddy is going to get paid but I don't see it's happening on the Bulls roster. fun player to watch. I'm pretty sure Sacramento is going to step up.

They have bagly I don't see why they would be chomping at the bit to get Carter.

[jump]

I can’t believe anybody would seriously consider trading Wendell Carter.

[drosereturn]

Buddy doesnt have that much value.
I would offer Carter since Young/Gafford can easily replace him but would want additional pick/ player back.
Something like Buddy/Giles for Carter/Dunn is what I am interested.

[GimmeDat]

I love Hield - really elite shooter. That said, I think he's a straight 1 position player (SG), he doesn't play defense, and he's pretty redundant with Lavine. I believe there'd be zero sense in bringing him in, on the max. He doesn't fit. If it was our clear positional/skill-set need then I'd be interested, but far from it. Not to mention we have Coby, primarily playing at the 2, backing up, and Sato who can also slide over to the 2.

In doing that, you're giving up a guy with potential to be an equal/better player in WCJ (imo), who fits our exact positional/skillset need at C right now (as well as Dunn and a protected 1st), to put out a lineup that would get eaten alive defensively, and puts 2 players severely out of position. Lavine can't play PG and Young can barely play C. Personally, it would be a nightmare trade.

[sco]

Pacers looking to trade Sabonis. Any interest? Hard to see, but I like him...he's gotta be seeking a big deal.

[Jstock12]

Pacers looking to trade Sabonis. Any interest? Hard to see, but I like him...he's gotta be seeking a big deal.

Or he's getting low-balled. Indy is already paying $90M/year for the Dipo/Brogdon/Turner/Warren/Lamb/McDermott core.

[GimmeDat]

This is the first year I haven't really felt like doing any deals - the team is really well balanced, and deep.

I think we need to watch the season play out, most of our pieces are pretty established, we know a baseline of what we're going to get from our core. Thad's a proven, premium commodity off the bench, early indications are Coby will fill a rotation role well (if not more).

It'll just be assessing Val/Hutch/Dunn/Arci/Shaq and whether the season is going strongly enough for it to be worth trying to shore up that perimeter depth for a potential playoff push.

Personally, I think there's usually solid enough rotation pieces to be found on waivers or trades that don't require giving up anything of value that we shouldn't think too hard about it and just make do for now.

In the off-season, then I think you re-assess. We should have a 9-18 range or so pick, I would estimate. That in itself is a great asset to shore up the wing/PG talent. There's some real defensive stud wing types like Isaac Okoro, Scottie Lewis and Josh Green, and a great crop of PG talent that extends into/beyond the late lottery with Hampton, Ball, Maxey, Mann, Maledon, Hayes, Mannion, Jones, Haliburton. You could either take a guy straight up or trade up with some of our more fringe assets/maybe next years pick if you wanted to key in on a guy.

Reason I stress those 2 archetypes is because a) A defensive/athletic wing would help our pace, we have the luxury of great shooting now where we can probably afford to have a guy that's maybe still working on his shooting in order to really focus on upside and maximizing our defense, which roster wise right now is decent but still pretty hit and miss. And B) White looks great, but doesn't look like a PG, at this stage. He seems like an ideal 3rd guard to me. Love Sato but if you're looking for areas to improve the starting lineup, maybe getting a guy that is capable of some bigger production and ability to break down the defense might be the next logical step, and Sato would be a stud backup PG, as well as swing over to other positions.

Obviously the pick can always be used in a trade down the line as well. Maybe there's a superstar PF on the market and Lauri + pick + more can get it done. Lots of options. Just talking very prematurely right now.

[drosereturn]

I love Hield - really elite shooter. That said, I think he's a straight 1 position player (SG), he doesn't play defense, and he's pretty redundant with Lavine. I believe there'd be zero sense in bringing him in, on the max. He doesn't fit. If it was our clear positional/skill-set need then I'd be interested, but far from it. Not to mention we have Coby, primarily playing at the 2, backing up, and Sato who can also slide over to the 2.

In doing that, you're giving up a guy with potential to be an equal/better player in WCJ (imo), who fits our exact positional/skillset need at C right now (as well as Dunn and a protected 1st), to put out a lineup that would get eaten alive defensively, and puts 2 players severely out of position. Lavine can't play PG and Young can barely play C. Personally, it would be a nightmare trade.

Yeah but Hields poor mans Klay and top 5 shooter in the league.
In an era where wings and guards are dominant you do it regardless of fit.
Hield can perfectly play off Ball so he is ideal match with Lavine.
Something like White Hield Lavine can give you 50 pts minimum.
If you look at championship teams no one invest that heavily in centers.

[drosereturn]

Hield is a must get imo. Sacrifice Carter or if you think Lauri get max hell I trade him and demand a protected pick.
Theres a reason why Sac threw 20mil at Lavine which was to pair Hield and Lavine.
Individually they are nowhere stars but the combination is just lethal they might give Philly a run honestly.
I dont even like Lavine, White but Hield makes all 3 very well balanced.

[NWIBullsFan]

You do realize that Buddy Hield is 6 months older than Otto Porter Jr?

A million times pass, then pass some more.

[drosereturn]

You do realize that Buddy Hield is 6 months older than Otto Porter Jr?

A million times pass, then pass some more.

That doesnt mean Hield is not effective.
If you followed Hield, you will know he is a late bloomer and age literally doesnt matter in his case.
Give me 82 games of Hield over injury prone Porter since that opens up game for Lavine and White.
The Bulls desperately need someone like a DAR, Klay type that can bomb threes at will and be the secondary facilitator.
Hield is the closest thing now that others are off the market. Contending is all abt team comp.
OPJ, WCJ are talented but since they are more two way elite role players they wont impact as much as in the playoffs.

I truly believe Lavine, White, Hield can be the core for a deep playoff run once they surround them with cheap 3 and Ds.
Hield pretty much allows Lavine and White to play to their full potential since it opens up so much space and hes a decent ball handler.
Next yr, they can trade Young, Felicio, Porter to create max for someone like Hayward, Davis.
Comp like Lavine-Hield-White- Hayward/Davis-one of Lauri/Carter is the best scenario going forward. That team makes 2nd rd.

[Michael Jackson]

I like Buddy but is he really available?

[panthermark]

Buddy Hield seems unhappy with Sacramento right now. Humor me:

Bulls acquire SG Buddy Hield
Kings acquire C Wendell Carter, PG Kris Dunn, 2021 heavily protected 1st round pick

Bulls roll with a weird lineup of
LaVine/Hield/Porter/Markkanen/Young

Yes, that's Thad Young at the 5, there would be a lot of switching on defense.
BUT, that would be the best 3-point shooting starting lineup in NBA history, once you account for volume. You could even switch Young for Kornet. This is certainly a meathead proposal but it sure would be fun (on offense).

This gif sums up my response.....
What the fu.......

[PrimzyBulls81]

You do realize that Buddy Hield is 6 months older than Otto Porter Jr?

A million times pass, then pass some more.

That doesnt mean Hield is not effective.
If you followed Hield, you will know he is a late bloomer and age literally doesnt matter in his case.
Give me 82 games of Hield over injury prone Porter since that opens up game for Lavine and White.
The Bulls desperately need someone like a DAR, Klay type that can bomb threes at will and be the secondary facilitator.
Hield is the closest thing now that others are off the market. Contending is all abt team comp.
OPJ, WCJ are talented but since they are more two way elite role players they wont impact as much as in the playoffs.

I truly believe Lavine, White, Hield can be the core for a deep playoff run once they surround them with cheap 3 and Ds.
Hield pretty much allows Lavine and White to play to their full potential since it opens up so much space and hes a decent ball handler.
Next yr, they can trade Young, Felicio, Porter to create max for someone like Hayward, Davis.
Comp like Lavine-Hield-White- Hayward/Davis-one of Lauri/Carter is the best scenario going forward. That team makes 2nd rd.

Hayward?? For real? You must be joking..

[Ccwatercraft]

You do realize that Buddy Hield is 6 months older than Otto Porter Jr?

A million times pass, then pass some more.

That doesnt mean Hield is not effective.
If you followed Hield, you will know he is a late bloomer and age literally doesnt matter in his case.
Give me 82 games of Hield over injury prone Porter since that opens up game for Lavine and White.
The Bulls desperately need someone like a DAR, Klay type that can bomb threes at will and be the secondary facilitator.
Hield is the closest thing now that others are off the market. Contending is all abt team comp.
OPJ, WCJ are talented but since they are more two way elite role players they wont impact as much as in the playoffs.

I truly believe Lavine, White, Hield can be the core for a deep playoff run once they surround them with cheap 3 and Ds.
Hield pretty much allows Lavine and White to play to their full potential since it opens up so much space and hes a decent ball handler.
Next yr, they can trade Young, Felicio, Porter to create max for someone like Hayward, Davis.
Comp like Lavine-Hield-White- Hayward/Davis-one of Lauri/Carter is the best scenario going forward. That team makes 2nd rd.

Hayward?? For real? You must be joking..

I certainly that Hayward isnt the big prize at the end of our rainbow.

[kodo]

I like Buddy but is he really available?

I think available is too strong a word right now, but he was "insulted" by the initial offer their contract negotiations has been the main news around the team.

From Sac's pov I think they started doing some #s on how they can afford this team...Fox will get max, Bagley will get max, Barnes is getting $24M for 1 year, Hield probably wants a max, and Bogdanovic is going to be VERY expensive to keep. The Kings offered him $10 per year but he's going to get a ton more than that IMO.

I do think someone is going to exit Sac eventually, although I don't know if it will be Buddy. He was pretty core to their success.

[MrSparkle]

I’d go for Bogdanovic. Can play two positions, perfect backup to Otto or security starter if he leaves.