OT: Official KP Thread

[3toheadmelo]

Damn guys you are pathetic
Will find something new to keep hating

We've hated the Celtics for years, so there's something really old we keep hating.

GTFO.

Could've sworn this dude was a Knicks fan. He used to post here before. Sad he's a Celdicks fan now

[K_ick_God]

Yeah KP is gonna be a hot topic. He’s a stalking horse.

If he has a great year, that’s cool and maybe we would have some great young duo with him and RJ.

But my honest guess is he’s still soft and not great at much. Defense, that should be his ticket.

Yeah agree with sham. And said it at the time — no reason to think we would have gotten anybody to trade us an expiring for picks. Where were these trades? Figment of imagination.

Anyway as we always say picks are overrated. If we keep Dallas’ pick it’ll prolly be less than what we want, out of top 3-5 most likely, and not that helpful in terms of the guy we get probably.

It’s not some holy grail to team building. Nice to have and that’s about it ... if you don’t like Randle then it’s sort of incongruous. Someone you can draft only way you get pretty lucky And still yall act like he’s garbage.

The draft is something that requires a few different layers of luck in sequence. It’s not that easy.

Maybe give up the picks and get Sabonis. Two picks and Morris or Randle.

[NY 567]

There will be a high amount of anger and cope if KP does really well. Both his character and game have been obviously unfairly hated on because of him wanting out. I don't see how anyone could be mad at the kid for wanting out, if my experience here was Dolan, Perry, Mills, Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, I'd want out too. He also saw how wrong the NY media and management did Melo, and how he wasted most of his prime toiling here doing nothing. How can anyone blame him for wanting out? He didn't want to be the next Melo. The kid is gonna be really good, and a lot of you are going to have a hard time coming to terms with that.

[MrOrange]

I am sorry to say, but this thread is awful. On the one hand, you claim that the whole thread is supposed to be a channel where NYK fans can vent all the negative feelings towards KP in one piece. On the other, you keep bashing him as well on this and other threads. This thread cannot possibly avert a situation when Poziņģis name comes up during the season one way or another. So, you get double negative. But, as Latvian, with somewhat better inside info all I can say is this:
1) KP loves NY, never wanted to leave, there were issues involved with Janis, but Janis had exactly 1 or 2 reps as a Latvian NT player. This how poor he was as a player. And the whole Knicks FO must be intimidated by that LOL
2) Rape accusations have nothing to do with the whole situation ( Stannis, WTF are you talking about), except that the FO decided that it would be bad for the image. At that point, they were looking for trades. As early as early winter 2018.
3) What happened was that KP wanted to sit out for the season and recuperate in Spain until the next year. That is all that was.
There are more points to add, but let us leave it like this.
4) If your choice is to believe in Pills narrative on the face saving, so be it.
5) it would be so much easier to admit that the Knicks FO screwed up on this.

[ozwizard8]

NBA players especially the star players who would get their max contract in every other team are usually spoiled in one way or another. Being a diva etc is just expected and its okay in most situations because the teams just want to retain that superstar. Karl Malone wasnt a good guy neither Kobe was. At the end of the day, management tries to please those guys. Biggest part of their job is retaining the star players.
If KAT ask for a trade I wouldnt blame him first. I'd blame Minnesota front office first. After that yes you can say that KAT is no T.Duncan. Below average defender and he isnt play with enough intensity in 4th quarters etc. At the end of the day, almost all team would want to have KAT even if he's not that great.
Remember J.Embiid situation back then. Altough he didnt play single NBA game he was eating junk food and his rehab didnt go well at the first. We saw some articles **** on Embiid. If Philly had incompetent front office like Knicks they'd trade his ass before playing much games.
Maybe KP will be injury prone. Maybe he wont become a 1st option in his career. We dont know right now. He was the best prospect for the Knicks for last 2 decades. You dont get prospect at KP's caliber every year even if you have #1 pick.
Anyone remember the Cavs three #1 picks in 4 years? Wiggins-Bennett-Kyrie. Only one of them become a star player. You dont get Zion/A.Davis every time you tank.
I blame Knicks FO for all that **** show. KP doesnt have Dirk character so he might not ever reach that greatness. And **** Janis. But if you think as a Knicks fan you dont need to care about KP's brother. All you need to care incompetent FO.
Perry sucks, Mills is clueless. They're just yes man for Dolan.

[Oscirus]

I am sorry to say, but this thread is awful. On the one hand, you claim that the whole thread is supposed to be a channel where NYK fans can vent all the negative feelings towards KP in one piece. On the other, you keep bashing him as well on this and other threads. This thread cannot possibly avert a situation when Poziņģis name comes up during the season one way or another. So, you get double negative. But, as Latvian, with somewhat better inside info all I can say is this:
1) KP loves NY, never wanted to leave, there were issues involved with Janis, but Janis had exactly 1 or 2 reps as a Latvian NT player. This how poor he was as a player. And the whole Knicks FO must be intimidated by that LOL
2) Rape accusations have nothing to do with the whole situation ( Stannis, WTF are you talking about), except that the FO decided that it would be bad for the image. At that point, they were looking for trades. As early as early winter 2018.
3) What happened was that KP wanted to sit out for the season and recuperate in Spain until the next year. That is all that was.
There are more points to add, but let us leave it like this.
4) If your choice is to believe in Pills narrative on the face saving, so be it.
5) it would be so much easier to admit that the Knicks FO screwed up on this.

1. Who cares about how good of a player Janis was? If he tried to strongarm the front office then that's problematic.
2. You just said that the rape charges had nothing to do with the situation and in the same point, you admit It clearly did since the Knicks began looking for a trade since it was bad for their image. Which is it? Cant have it both ways.
3. Then why didn't he do that with Dallas? Im fairly certain that Cuban would've given KP everything he wanted, being that he was desperate to keep him.
4+5 Basically what it comes down to is KP thought he had more pull than he actually did and got the boot for his troubles. Im sure other factors were involved on both sides, but that's the gist.

[Stannis]

I am sorry to say, but this thread is awful. On the one hand, you claim that the whole thread is supposed to be a channel where NYK fans can vent all the negative feelings towards KP in one piece. On the other, you keep bashing him as well on this and other threads. This thread cannot possibly avert a situation when Poziņģis name comes up during the season one way or another. So, you get double negative. But, as Latvian, with somewhat better inside info all I can say is this:
1) KP loves NY, never wanted to leave, there were issues involved with Janis, but Janis had exactly 1 or 2 reps as a Latvian NT player. This how poor he was as a player. And the whole Knicks FO must be intimidated by that LOL
2) Rape accusations have nothing to do with the whole situation ( Stannis, WTF are you talking about), except that the FO decided that it would be bad for the image. At that point, they were looking for trades. As early as early winter 2018.
3) What happened was that KP wanted to sit out for the season and recuperate in Spain until the next year. That is all that was.
There are more points to add, but let us leave it like this.
4) If your choice is to believe in Pills narrative on the face saving, so be it.
5) it would be so much easier to admit that the Knicks FO screwed up on this.

1) Whether it was technically KP or Janis, it doesn't matter. KP was the one who was listening to him. I'm not sure what Janis bball history has to do with this.

2) Nothing to do with it? Pretty convenient that KP acted the way he was when the accusations hit him. Not sure if you are familiar with NYC, but the people of NYC don't take this kind of stuff lightly. I'm not going to say he did it; but everyday at the pressers and streets, he would get questioned and attacked on this if he was still in NYC.

4) Phil knew he was a punk and called it well before anybody else did. No denying that.

5) What could the FO have done? He was being a brat and listening to Janis. It was getting annoying. If you want to be in NY but have issues, communicate with the FO.

Perry said that KP didn't see himself longterm with the Knicks. That's why the executed the trade so quickly.

I take Perry's word (and Phil's) who has a decent and honest reputation around the league over a guy who gets in bar fights when he is supposedly rehabbing and getting accused of rape. It's hard to trust a guy who has a Wormtongue-like agent.

[dakomish23]

Odds KP tries to force a trade to LA faster than you can spell Anemia?

This occurred to me. I think he loves LA. He played well there as a Knick (specifically against the Clippers that I can remember). The only other team I remember him doing especially well against was Chicago.

Didn't folks also say he wouldn't re-sign in DAL? "Cuban answered the question, not him!!!!"

Conspiracy theories aside, there are very few running mates as good as the guy he's got right now. He'd be foolish to leave.

[dakomish23]

Read on Twitter

Sad to see Alan become a company man, he used to be one of the good ones.

His clueless coach said that KP wasn't even running, and KP, in his young, millennial smart alecky way, posted a picture of himself sprinting. WTF does that have to do with him saying he wasn't gonna play all year and Fiz? Fiz was answering a question about his progress, which the moron had no clue about, not if he was going to suit up the following season, that was already known. The question asked in Dallas isn't the same Fiz was asked in NY, but Alan is making it seem that way.

The reason Fizdale looked bad was because he had no idea where his franchise cornerstone was in rehab, he thought he was sitting on the couch somewhere in Baklava eating pastries while the kid was in fact sprinting around.

Company men spreading hearsay.

He was pretty solid even when he was on BSPN radio back in 2013. Introduced me to the concept of the stretch provision - he said that we could stretch Amare and get up to 14 mil in space (a move I wish we made in hindsight). Could have signed Millsap, who would have been an absolute perfect fit next to Melo and Tyson. We wouldn't have traded for Bargs. Who knows where the dominoes end?

Ah well.

Anyway, no one is worse than Wally, who I want to like but damn he's a giant homer.

[dakomish23]

Damn guys you are pathetic
Will find something new to keep hating

Even Melo was treated better than this

Just like with Melo, the hatred will die down soon. Especially as the kids we have start taking off.

[King of Canada]

Odds KP tries to force a trade to LA faster than you can spell Anemia?

This occurred to me. I think he loves LA. He played well there as a Knick (specifically against the Clippers that I can remember). The only other team I remember him doing especially well against was Chicago.

Didn't folks also say he wouldn't re-sign in DAL? "Cuban answered the question, not him!!!!"

Conspiracy theories aside, there are very few running mates as good as the guy he's got right now. He'd be foolish to leave.

His contract makes it pretty unlikely that he's going anywhere anyway

[dakomish23]

This occurred to me. I think he loves LA. He played well there as a Knick (specifically against the Clippers that I can remember). The only other team I remember him doing especially well against was Chicago.

Didn't folks also say he wouldn't re-sign in DAL? "Cuban answered the question, not him!!!!"

Conspiracy theories aside, there are very few running mates as good as the guy he's got right now. He'd be foolish to leave.

His contract makes it pretty unlikely that he's going anywhere anyway

We’ve seen crazier things. Blatche got stretched in his first year

[nedleeds]

I am sorry to say, but this thread is awful. On the one hand, you claim that the whole thread is supposed to be a channel where NYK fans can vent all the negative feelings towards KP in one piece. On the other, you keep bashing him as well on this and other threads. This thread cannot possibly avert a situation when Poziņģis name comes up during the season one way or another. So, you get double negative. But, as Latvian, with somewhat better inside info all I can say is this:
1) KP loves NY, never wanted to leave, there were issues involved with Janis, but Janis had exactly 1 or 2 reps as a Latvian NT player. This how poor he was as a player. And the whole Knicks FO must be intimidated by that LOL
2) Rape accusations have nothing to do with the whole situation ( Stannis, WTF are you talking about), except that the FO decided that it would be bad for the image. At that point, they were looking for trades. As early as early winter 2018.
3) What happened was that KP wanted to sit out for the season and recuperate in Spain until the next year. That is all that was.
There are more points to add, but let us leave it like this.
4) If your choice is to believe in Pills narrative on the face saving, so be it.
5) it would be so much easier to admit that the Knicks FO screwed up on this.

1) Whether it was technically KP or Janis, it doesn't matter. KP was the one who was listening to him. I'm not sure what Janis bball history has to do with this.

2) Nothing to do with it? Pretty convenient that KP acted the way he was when the accusations hit him. Not sure if you are familiar with NYC, but the people of NYC don't take this kind of stuff lightly. I'm not going to say he did it; but everyday at the pressers and streets, he would get questioned and attacked on this if he was still in NYC.

4) Phil knew he was a punk and called it well before anybody else did. No denying that.

5) What could the FO have done? He was being a brat and listening to Janis. It was getting annoying. If you want to be in NY but have issues, communicate with the FO.

Perry said that KP didn't see himself longterm with the Knicks. That's why the executed the trade so quickly.

I take Perry's word (and Phil's) who has a decent and honest reputation around the league over a guy who gets in bar fights when he is supposedly rehabbing and getting accused of rape. It's hard to trust a guy who has a Wormtongue-like agent.

1) I don't care about Janis and his track suit mafia bullcrap. But it's another example, with the Noah waste of cap / stretch that shows the weakness of this front office. They are weak, they are bad negotiators, they don't take control of the situation, this starts at the top with Dolan and leads back to where it always leads Mills. Mills is a clown. This front office gets bent over. The Melo no-trade, stretching Noah for no reason instead of just swapping him for one of the 10 other sour 16's. Letting a douche nozzle like Janis bully them around.

2) Same franchise and Steve Mills signed a guy with a GANG BANG RAPE trial. Then let him play! This is a vague accusation that in over a year and half hasn't produced anything but a salty accuser. Dotson is on our roster. GTFO with this high and mighty garbage.

4) Phil's character judgement ... signs Noah who gets high and parties for $19 million then admits he did, signs Rose who chinese handcuffs girls with his crew on the regular. KP looked at this train wreck franchise and went to the FO and likely said in so many words get your act together, I'm not here to play with Jarrett Jack, Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon and **** Emmanual Mudiay. If you call that being a punk OK, I call it wanting a competent front office and teammates.

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

[MrOrange]

I am sorry to say, but this thread is awful. On the one hand, you claim that the whole thread is supposed to be a channel where NYK fans can vent all the negative feelings towards KP in one piece. On the other, you keep bashing him as well on this and other threads. This thread cannot possibly avert a situation when Poziņģis name comes up during the season one way or another. So, you get double negative. But, as Latvian, with somewhat better inside info all I can say is this:
1) KP loves NY, never wanted to leave, there were issues involved with Janis, but Janis had exactly 1 or 2 reps as a Latvian NT player. This how poor he was as a player. And the whole Knicks FO must be intimidated by that LOL
2) Rape accusations have nothing to do with the whole situation ( Stannis, WTF are you talking about), except that the FO decided that it would be bad for the image. At that point, they were looking for trades. As early as early winter 2018.
3) What happened was that KP wanted to sit out for the season and recuperate in Spain until the next year. That is all that was.
There are more points to add, but let us leave it like this.
4) If your choice is to believe in Pills narrative on the face saving, so be it.
5) it would be so much easier to admit that the Knicks FO screwed up on this.

1) Whether it was technically KP or Janis, it doesn't matter. KP was the one who was listening to him. I'm not sure what Janis bball history has to do with this.

2) Nothing to do with it? Pretty convenient that KP acted the way he was when the accusations hit him. Not sure if you are familiar with NYC, but the people of NYC don't take this kind of stuff lightly. I'm not going to say he did it; but every day at the pressers and streets, he would get questioned and attacked on this if he was still in NYC.

4) Phil knew he was a punk and called it well before anybody else did. No denying that.

5) What could the FO have done? He was being a brat and listening to Janis. It was getting annoying. If you want to be in NY but have issues, communicate with the FO.

Perry said that KP didn't see himself longterm with the Knicks. That's why the executed the trade so quickly.

I take Perry's word (and Phil's) who has a decent and honest reputation around the league over a guy who gets in bar fights when he is supposedly rehabbing and getting accused of rape. It's hard to trust a guy who has a Wormtongue-like agent.

1) It matters, especially the part about Janis basketball history. If a poor player and a novice agent can intimidate a multi-billion organization, its on organization, no on Janis or KP
2) What exactly in Perry's history proves he is is a good GM (Sacramento, Orlando)? Or shall I even start with Mills? Blind trust, I guess.
3)The play that gets tossed around when Luka decides to go iso? How is it on KP?
4) When things were still romantic and Latvian media were all over Phil and the prospect of a Latvian in NYC, KP was asked what he has learned. KP said that Phil leaves him philosophy books on his pillow. Nice, Plato and everything, but it is not exactly teambuilding.

[Jimmit79]

I'm still salty about how he went from being our young franchise player to him and his brother turning on the organization.

The prophecy said the chosen one would bring balance back to Knicks fans life not leave them in Dolan/Mills Dark age again.

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[Oscirus]

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

It's already been acknowledged that the Knicks likely weren't going to max him out that he was more likely to get an embid contract than a max from the knicks due to his injury status. So yea, KP can easily sign the qo and call the knicks bluff. ESP if he releases his trade demands to the press. The Knicks don't offer him the max he has all the marbles. Regardless of how one may feel about the front office, that trade was a no brainer.

[Phish Tank]

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

unless you think KP wanted to be here, you basically should never do this as an organization. Don't offer max contracts to people who don't want to be here.

[nedleeds]

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

unless you think KP wanted to be here, you basically should never do this as an organization. Don't offer max contracts to people who don't want to be here.

What are you talking about? You don't get a no trade clause. They'd have a rehabbed 22 year old all-star locked up for 4 years and could actually trade him for an asset instead of cap space to sign a Morris twin.

[Phish Tank]

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

unless you think KP wanted to be here, you basically should never do this as an organization. Don't offer max contracts to people who don't want to be here.

What are you talking about? You don't get a no trade clause. They'd have a rehabbed 22 year old all-star locked up for 4 years and could actually trade him for an asset instead of cap space to sign a Morris twin.

at $30+ million, he's less of an asset now than he was before the contract.

[Clyde_Style]

5) You put the max contract that NO PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED DOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD out there and call his bluff coming off an ACL that's he's willing to play for the qualifying offer. He can't even go to FIBA with the QO.

Half of you only defend our dumpster front office in this thread, everywhere else you blame them. Dolan and his lackey Mills are 1000000% the problem. Period. They are complete morons.

unless you think KP wanted to be here, you basically should never do this as an organization. Don't offer max contracts to people who don't want to be here.

What are you talking about? You don't get a no trade clause. They'd have a rehabbed 22 year old all-star locked up for 4 years and could actually trade him for an asset instead of cap space to sign a Morris twin.

He needs to play a season before you can confirm the rehab was truly a success.

And he's not worth $158M, so this premise that he was an easy sign and trade after maxing him out is a fallacy.