Heat-Wolves

[BBallFreak]

So reported stipulations are first round picks and that Paul decline his player option? This for a player even you admit is better than what Miami might give up?

Yes, obviously. What don't you get about this? He's better now, but he may not be better a month from now.

Can we agree that there are different versions of a potential Paul trade, where each team is asked to give something different?

That seems pretty innocuous, so sure, I agree. OKC has asked Miami to give things up they don't want to give up, and Miami has asked OKC and CP to give up things they don't want to give up. That's how negotiations work.

When you say, “Riley might trade for Paul and I’m ok with it.” If you trust Riley, why are you so adamantly against Paul?

Riley's not infallible. I don't happen to agree with taking on Chris Paul. If we do it, I won't be thrilled, but Riley's earned the benefit of the doubt from me. I will also root like hell for Chris Paul to succeed. That doesn't mean I have to blindly follow Riley like a lemming just because he's Riley...

Do you understand why Riley would consider taking on any and all risks, Paul brings?

Do you understand why he won't do it without incentives?

[sonictecture]

Yes, obviously. What don't you get about this? He's better now, but he may not be better a month from now.


That seems pretty innocuous, so sure, I agree. OKC has asked Miami to give things up they don't want to give up, and Miami has asked OKC and CP to give up things they don't want to give up. That's how negotiations work.

Riley's not infallible. I don't happen to agree with taking on Chris Paul. If we do it, I won't be thrilled, but Riley's earned the benefit of the doubt from me. I will also root like hell for Chris Paul to succeed. That doesn't mean I have to blindly follow Riley like a lemming just because he's Riley...

Do you understand why Riley would consider taking on any and all risks, Paul brings?

Do you understand why he won't do it without incentives?

No. But I understand why he wouldn’t trade for Paul at all.

[BBallFreak]

Do you understand why Riley would consider taking on any and all risks, Paul brings?

Do you understand why he won't do it without incentives?

No. But I understand why he wouldn’t trade for Paul at all.

So, you can appreciate that Miami might not be interested, but you can't appreciate that they might be interested only if they get their picks back to mitigate some of the risk?

[sonictecture]

Do you understand why he won't do it without incentives?

No. But I understand why he wouldn’t trade for Paul at all.

So, you can appreciate that Miami might not be interested, but you can't appreciate that they might be interested only if they get their picks back to mitigate some of the risk?

I appreciate that the risk might be deemed too great to trade for Paul.

Getting picks back won’t really mitigate acquiring Paul if all the worst case scenarios you’ve mentioned take place. Miami would still be stuck and the gambles for Butler & Paul would have failed.

The picks would allow you a rebuild through the draft, but that isn’t what Riley wants.

[BBallFreak]

No. But I understand why he wouldn’t trade for Paul at all.

So, you can appreciate that Miami might not be interested, but you can't appreciate that they might be interested only if they get their picks back to mitigate some of the risk?

I appreciate that the risk might be deemed too great to trade for Paul.

Getting picks back won’t really mitigate acquiring Paul if all the worst case scenarios you’ve mentioned take place. Miami would still be stuck and the gambles for Butler & Paul would have failed.

The picks would allow you a rebuild through the draft, but that isn’t what Riley wants.

Is that all it allows?

Really?

I'm pretty sure that Miami could then make more trades involving more firsts. We're restricted by a lack of firsts, meaning we can't trade future picks. That would give us the tools, if need be, to make more moves...

[gom]

BBallFreak is correct. We would use any picks we get back for a player we want.

[sonictecture]

So play it out. Miami trades for Paul and like you predicted he is old, a cancer and oft injured. You have your two picks back. How do you move forward?

Seems to me you’re stuck with Paul, but your picks still aren't in the lottery.

[sonictecture]

BBallFreak is correct. We would use any picks we get back for a player we want.

I understand that part, but you would still have Paul & his contract over the next 3 years. If you make the playoffs the picks aren’t worth much & if you don’t make the playoffs you’ve got an unhappy Butler.

[BBallFreak]

BBallFreak is correct. We would use any picks we get back for a player we want.

I understand that part, but you would still have Paul & his contract over the next 3 years. If you make the playoffs the picks aren’t worth much & if you don’t make the playoffs you’ve got an unhappy Butler.

If you don't make the playoffs, you trade lottery picks to get that unhappy Butler some help, n'estce pas?

[sonictecture]

BBallFreak is correct. We would use any picks we get back for a player we want.

I understand that part, but you would still have Paul & his contract over the next 3 years. If you make the playoffs the picks aren’t worth much & if you don’t make the playoffs you’ve got an unhappy Butler.

If you don't make the playoffs, you trade lottery picks to get that unhappy Butler some help, n'estce pas?

I get it, but you still have Paul who would prevent the team from being able to make moves big enough to help back into contention, rather you would be where you are now. The picks aren’t saviors for Paul.

I am of the belief that Paul has a lot left, that he will age gracefully and that he is a Heat dna player.

[BBallFreak]

I understand that part, but you would still have Paul & his contract over the next 3 years. If you make the playoffs the picks aren’t worth much & if you don’t make the playoffs you’ve got an unhappy Butler.

If you don't make the playoffs, you trade lottery picks to get that unhappy Butler some help, n'estce pas?

I get it, but you still have Paul who would prevent the team from being able to make moves big enough to help back into contention, rather you would be where you are now. The picks aren’t saviors for Paul.

I am of the belief that Paul has a lot left, that he will age gracefully and that he is a Heat dna player.

If he were younger and cheaper I would certainly agree with you. As is, I'm happy you shared your opinion but I don't agree. I wouldn't entertain his inclusion on the Miami roster if it were up to me. Unless of course, he's bought out.

If we were going to be treated to us though, I would want our picks back. Since he's going to age so gracefully, giving up those picks shouldn't be such a sticking point to you.

[sonictecture]

If you don't make the playoffs, you trade lottery picks to get that unhappy Butler some help, n'estce pas?

I get it, but you still have Paul who would prevent the team from being able to make moves big enough to help back into contention, rather you would be where you are now. The picks aren’t saviors for Paul.

I am of the belief that Paul has a lot left, that he will age gracefully and that he is a Heat dna player.

If he were younger and cheaper I would certainly agree with you. As is, I'm happy you shared your opinion but I don't agree. I wouldn't entertain his inclusion on the Miami roster if it were up to me. Unless of course, he's bought out.

If we were going to be treated to us though, I would want our picks back. Since he's going to age so gracefully, giving up those picks shouldn't be such a sticking point to you.

If Paul was younger and cheaper, Miami might not have the assets to get him. We both agree Paul is better than the discussed players Miami would send out.

The season is about to start. I’m sure we’ll both be monitoring how Paul plays.

[BBallFreak]

I get it, but you still have Paul who would prevent the team from being able to make moves big enough to help back into contention, rather you would be where you are now. The picks aren’t saviors for Paul.

I am of the belief that Paul has a lot left, that he will age gracefully and that he is a Heat dna player.

If he were younger and cheaper I would certainly agree with you. As is, I'm happy you shared your opinion but I don't agree. I wouldn't entertain his inclusion on the Miami roster if it were up to me. Unless of course, he's bought out.

If we were going to be treated to us though, I would want our picks back. Since he's going to age so gracefully, giving up those picks shouldn't be such a sticking point to you.

If Paul was younger and cheaper, Miami might not have the assets to get him. We both agree Paul is better than the discussed players Miami would send out.

The season is about to start. I’m sure we’ll both be monitoring how Paul plays.

Actually, unless he ends up in Miami, I will not. I don't want him here. I thought I'd made that clear...

[sonictecture]

Isn’t that why you will be monitoring Paul? If he plays well there is a greater chance Riley trades for him.

[BBallFreak]

Isn’t that why you will be monitoring Paul? If he plays well there is a greater chance Riley trades for him.

No, I won't be paying attention to him because I'm not interested. If the noise starts up again, I'll revisit. Otherwise, I care about my team far more than anyone else's team...

[sonictecture]

Isn’t that why you will be monitoring Paul? If he plays well there is a greater chance Riley trades for him.

No, I won't be paying attention to him because I'm not interested. If the noise starts up again, I'll revisit. Otherwise, I care about my team far more than anyone else's team...

You discuss Paul as much as anyone on realgm. Am I to believe that will stop at the start of the regular season?

[BBallFreak]

Isn’t that why you will be monitoring Paul? If he plays well there is a greater chance Riley trades for him.

No, I won't be paying attention to him because I'm not interested. If the noise starts up again, I'll revisit. Otherwise, I care about my team far more than anyone else's team...

You discuss Paul as much as anyone on realgm. Am I to believe that will stop at the start of the regular season?

I answer trade deals involving him and Miami. That's it. I can honestly say I haven't checked one OKC box score this preseason. I don't really care if you believe me or not...

[DoItALL9]

No, I won't be paying attention to him because I'm not interested. If the noise starts up again, I'll revisit. Otherwise, I care about my team far more than anyone else's team...

You discuss Paul as much as anyone on realgm. Am I to believe that will stop at the start of the regular season?

I answer trade deals involving him and Miami. That's it. I can honestly say I haven't checked one OKC box score this preseason. I don't really care if you believe me or not...

For either of you...

If the trade was made and Miami has a healthy CP3 for their entire playoff run would you believe Miami was the favorite to go to the Finals?

& How do you feel about Lowry as opposed to CP3?

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[BBallFreak]

You discuss Paul as much as anyone on realgm. Am I to believe that will stop at the start of the regular season?

I answer trade deals involving him and Miami. That's it. I can honestly say I haven't checked one OKC box score this preseason. I don't really care if you believe me or not...

For either of you...

If the trade was made and Miami has a healthy CP3 for their entire playoff run would you believe Miami was the favorite to go to the Finals?

& How do you feel about Lowry as opposed to CP3?

No, Miami wouldn't be the favorite with CP3 unless one of Winslow, DJJ, Herro, or Bam makes a huge leap forward and become the second scoring threat the team will need.

I'm not a big Lowry guy either, but at least his contract isn't as prohibitive. I would say he has more value than CP3...

[gom]

I've said it before quite a few times, but I don't think Chris Paul raises the Heat's quality that much. We are a team that can win the first round and will struggle to win the second round, with or without Chris Paul. What his advent definitely does do is reduce the possibility of the team in the future. I like the team with Winslow/Herro/Butler/Olynyk/Adebayo starting the most so far. Goran/Derrick Jones Jr/Kendrick Nunn off the bench.

Lowry's deal is better because it is only one year. I'd rather just go with who we have.