Woj: Celtics/Jaylen Brown agree to four-year, $115M million extension

[Pinkyring]

Why trade someone Ainge clearly believes in?

The Celtics aren’t a genuine contender right now. They’ve got big money locked up with Kemba and Hayward. Tatum and Brown becoming high level players is their path to contending.

So you're not holding a low upside player with a terrible contract....... they had 3 options, trade him, let him stay on his rookie deal and play it out, give him a terrible contract, they. Chose the worst possible chooce. Even if you opt not to move it, let him play it out, if proves max worth pay him, there is no point moving him now to save the extra 5m per when atm he's a 12m player

Low upside? Based on what exactly?

He’s athletic, defends and can shoot the 3. Does he have flaws? Absolutely. But he’s a hard worker and as has been said he wouldn’t be the first raw wing to turn himself into a great player. He wasn’t a top 5 pick for the sake of it.

Hes an average defender a below average 3 point shooter below average free throw shooter and not a playmaker

[mademan]

Lock him in before giving him the chance to have a big year and therefore save the team money. Tha Ta one possibility.

Secondly, the Celtics season was completely derailed last year by Kyrie Irving and a number of other factors. Brown not having an extension absolutely would have become a big talking point and most likely a distraction.

Getting paid way more than they are worth motivates a player to have a big year? Wasn’t that the logic behind offering Wiggins an albatross? I can understand a player’s free agency could become a big talking point if the player is an All Star or a likely one (e.g. Tatum), but we are talking about Jaylen Brown. There has also been talk about the Hawks having interest in him, but they just used two top 10 draft picks on wings. Who else was targeting him at the price he is supposedly commanding?

I didn’t say anything about him getting paid motivating him. I said him locking him up now saves the Celtics money if they expect him to really
improve this year. And I don’t see how this isn’t true. If Brown this season shows the same level of defence he has in the past and offensive improvement I would have been very surprised if some team wasn’t throwing even bigger coin his way. A young former high pick that defends and shoots the 3 at the wing spot would be a player several teams would pay good money for.

overpaying him before some other team overpays him (most likely Cleveland) is not exactly a great rationalization. I'm not sure how you build a contender with a third of your cap tied up in Jaylen Brown, who has yet to show he's a starting level player for an entire year

[GrandTheftRondo]

Of course you’re gonna get B level free agents when you throwing out 4 year max contracts

Thats the exact reason why Knicks been so trash. By over paying players that simply arent worth it. Lol idk why its so hard for you to admit that Ainge is operating as a small market team

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Also are you really that uneducated about how much tampering went on this free agency? You can’t seriously use that “Knicks didnt get a meeting” nonsense Lol Kemba was a Celtic before free agency even began. With your logic I guess most of the free agents didnt even get a proper meeting. Everything changed after that Achilles injury.

Lol not sure WTF you’ve been watching when you watch Al Horford but he’s anything but B level. Doesn’t compare to the bums that the Knicks sign. He’ll probably end up a major reason the Sixers make the finals this year.

Same goes with Hayward. But I guess this is RealGM where everyone conveniently ignores Hayward’s horrible ankle injury and acts like he was going to be terrible all along, when in reality maybe he wasn’t a true max guy but he was still going to be a major player and great fit next to Horford and Irving who instead never got to be at his best with them.

Not knocking Horford. He is one of the best players they have signed in free agency easily. Also should tell you something. Even he decided to leave. Replacing their best defensive anchor with Kanter is a huge L lol

I’m not even sure what the hell you are trying to say anymore. You just keep changing what you’re talking about.

You got proven completely wrong on your **** argument that the Celtics don’t attract star free agents and now you’ve changed the topic to Uorford leaving. WTF?

Horford left because he’s old and running out of chances to contend and the Sixers threw money at him, and the team he sighed to contend with fell apart because Kyrie is a fruit loop and Hayward broke his ankle horribly.

[Scarletfire81]

Jaylen Brown is not a scrub, that being said this contract is above what he is worth. I would still rather being paying JB than extending Horford for almost the same amount. At least this won't be a distraction anymore.

[ajones9219]

Kawhi Leonard in 3rd year: 12.8 PPG/ 1.2 RB/ 2 assists
Brown in third year: 13 PPG/ 4.2 RB/ 1.4 assists

But yeah we can totally tell if a player is going to be any good based off raw stats in their third year and Brown is a bum.

They're only comparable in their 3rd years if you want to ignore defense, shooting and the fact that Kawhi was already Finals MVP on a championship roster at that stage while Brown was coming off the bench for a 2nd round exit

Brown shot 34.4% Kawhi 37.9 from three. It not like he blew him out of the water. Kawhi played better defense but Brown is still a great defender at his position. Say what you want but the main difference is Kawhi was on a championship level team with multiple HOF players

[MagicBagley18]

Of course you’re gonna get B level free agents when you throwing out 4 year max contracts

Thats the exact reason why Knicks been so trash. By over paying players that simply arent worth it. Lol idk why its so hard for you to admit that Ainge is operating as a small market team

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Also are you really that uneducated about how much tampering went on this free agency? You can’t seriously use that “Knicks didnt get a meeting” nonsense Lol Kemba was a Celtic before free agency even began. With your logic I guess most of the free agents didnt even get a proper meeting. Everything changed after that Achilles injury.

Lol not sure WTF you’ve been watching when you watch Al Horford but he’s anything but B level. Doesn’t compare to the bums that the Knicks sign. He’ll probably end up a major reason the Sixers make the finals this year.

Same goes with Hayward. But I guess this is RealGM where everyone conveniently ignores Hayward’s horrible ankle injury and acts like he was going to be terrible all along, when in reality maybe he wasn’t a true max guy but he was still going to be a major player and great fit next to Horford and Irving who instead never got to be at his best with them.

Not knocking Horford. He is one of the best players they have signed in free agency easily. Also should tell you something. Even he decided to leave. Replacing their best defensive anchor with Kanter is a huge L lol

Again doesn’t matter if he left, for him to go somewhere else he had to be in Boston. Don’t move the goal posts. He left for philly bc they are a better team and closer to a ring. The Celtics will never be a top destination but they have done pretty good every time they’ve had cap space to sign a max free agent and they’ve had players choose Boston over Miami, Houston, Dallas and Washington and that’s better than a lot of teams.

Meanwhile keep doing victory laps for being on a list for a player you didn’t trade for and rooting for a team that plays in a huge market with every reason to be successful but can’t even get the same “b level “ players you knock Boston for getting.

Julius Randle tho man......yea this is his year mannnnnnn I can feel it

[bon]

Kawhi Leonard in 3rd year: 12.8 PPG/ 1.2 RB/ 2 assists
Brown in third year: 13 PPG/ 4.2 RB/ 1.4 assists

But yeah we can totally tell if a player is going to be any good based off raw stats in their third year and Brown is a bum.

They're only comparable in their 3rd years if you want to ignore defense, shooting and the fact that Kawhi was already Finals MVP on a championship roster at that stage while Brown was coming off the bench for a 2nd round exit

Brown shot 34.4% Kawhi 37.9 from three. It not like he blew him out of the water. Kawhi played better defense but Brown is still a great defender at his position. Say what you want but the main difference is Kawhi was on a championship level team with multiple HOF players

Brown still hasn't learned how to consistently knock down free throws through 3 seasons. And while his defense is good for his position, he's nowhere near DPOY level. Brown still has time to develop but he's not close to how far along Kawhi was at the time

[Anticon]

The Celtics are a social club, not a serious competitive team.

They’ve made it to the ECF’s 5 times over the last 11 years, including 2 finals appearances and a championship ring, Been in the playoffs every year but one even during a rebuild, I won’t bring up the banners before that but what they’ve done over the last 11 years is equal to what a lot of teams have done over decades.

While I agree they aren’t a real championship contender this season they are far from a social club.

First of all I'm not talking about 11 years ago (or frankly even two years ago), I'm talking about now. About Brown, Tatum, Hayward, etc.

If you're really focused on winning a title I don't see how their moves add up to any of that. They have guys they like and they're loyal to, and that's their MO.

And that's fine. But don't pretend they're seriously trying to contend.

[ajones9219]

They're only comparable in their 3rd years if you want to ignore defense, shooting and the fact that Kawhi was already Finals MVP on a championship roster at that stage while Brown was coming off the bench for a 2nd round exit

Brown shot 34.4% Kawhi 37.9 from three. It not like he blew him out of the water. Kawhi played better defense but Brown is still a great defender at his position. Say what you want but the main difference is Kawhi was on a championship level team with multiple HOF players

Brown still hasn't learned how to consistently knock down free throws through 3 seasons. And while his defense is good for his position, he's nowhere near DPOY level. Brown still has time to develop but he's not close to how far along Kawhi was at the time

Kind of missing the grander point. Im not really saying Brown = Kawhi, more saying that people quoting PPG on a third year player as an argument of if that player is any good is flawed at best.

[GrandTheftRondo]

The Celtics are a social club, not a serious competitive team.

They’ve made it to the ECF’s 5 times over the last 11 years, including 2 finals appearances and a championship ring, Been in the playoffs every year but one even during a rebuild, I won’t bring up the banners before that but what they’ve done over the last 11 years is equal to what a lot of teams have done over decades.

While I agree they aren’t a real championship contender this season they are far from a social club.

First of all I'm not talking about 11 years ago (or frankly even two years ago), I'm talking about now. About Brown, Tatum, Hayward, etc.

If you're really focused on winning a title I don't see how their moves add up to any of that. They have guys they like and they're loyal to, and that's their MO.

And that's fine. But don't pretend they're seriously trying to contend.

Lol. Genuinely curious what else you think they can do right now?

Letting Tatum and Brown go doesn’t just magically give them all this room to sign all these star players.

[ajones9219]

They’ve made it to the ECF’s 5 times over the last 11 years, including 2 finals appearances and a championship ring, Been in the playoffs every year but one even during a rebuild, I won’t bring up the banners before that but what they’ve done over the last 11 years is equal to what a lot of teams have done over decades.

While I agree they aren’t a real championship contender this season they are far from a social club.

First of all I'm not talking about 11 years ago (or frankly even two years ago), I'm talking about now. About Brown, Tatum, Hayward, etc.

If you're really focused on winning a title I don't see how their moves add up to any of that. They have guys they like and they're loyal to, and that's their MO.

And that's fine. But don't pretend they're seriously trying to contend.

Lol. Genuinely curious what else you think they can do right now?

Letting Tatum and Brown go doesn’t just magically give them all this room to sign all these star players.

These same posters will be the same ones ripping Ainge is Hayward leaves in the summer after spending the last 2-3 years saying he has a horrible contract

[Homerclease]

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[MagicBagley18]

The Celtics are a social club, not a serious competitive team.

They’ve made it to the ECF’s 5 times over the last 11 years, including 2 finals appearances and a championship ring, Been in the playoffs every year but one even during a rebuild, I won’t bring up the banners before that but what they’ve done over the last 11 years is equal to what a lot of teams have done over decades.

While I agree they aren’t a real championship contender this season they are far from a social club.

First of all I'm not talking about 11 years ago (or frankly even two years ago), I'm talking about now. About Brown, Tatum, Hayward, etc.

If you're really focused on winning a title I don't see how their moves add up to any of that. They have guys they like and they're loyal to, and that's their MO.

And that's fine. But don't pretend they're seriously trying to contend.

How is locking up young players like brown who they drafted and believe in and then signing players like kemba Walker not trying to contend? If they wanted a full youth movement they would have no walker on the team.

If they let brown walk next summer would that make them any closer to a ring?

[bebopdeluxe]

Crazy that it was that much more than Hield.


Makes the Siakam deal look good.

REALLY good.

[TheNewEra]

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He will get the 4 mil easy but the 8 mil not happening

[Shoe]

Kawhi Leonard in 3rd year: 12.8 PPG/ 1.2 RB/ 2 assists
Brown in third year: 13 PPG/ 4.2 RB/ 1.4 assists

But yeah we can totally tell if a player is going to be any good based off raw stats in their third year and Brown is a bum.

Kawhi's actual 3rd year:
6.2 rebounds
1.7 steals
2.0 / 1.2 assist to turnover
80% FT
60% TS

Brown
0.9 steals
1.4 / 1.3 assist to turnover
66% FT
55% TS

[Anticon]

They’ve made it to the ECF’s 5 times over the last 11 years, including 2 finals appearances and a championship ring, Been in the playoffs every year but one even during a rebuild, I won’t bring up the banners before that but what they’ve done over the last 11 years is equal to what a lot of teams have done over decades.

While I agree they aren’t a real championship contender this season they are far from a social club.

First of all I'm not talking about 11 years ago (or frankly even two years ago), I'm talking about now. About Brown, Tatum, Hayward, etc.

If you're really focused on winning a title I don't see how their moves add up to any of that. They have guys they like and they're loyal to, and that's their MO.

And that's fine. But don't pretend they're seriously trying to contend.

Lol. Genuinely curious what else you think they can do right now?

Letting Tatum and Brown go doesn’t just magically give them all this room to sign all these star players.

There's no set formula, obviously. But after the last offseason? Letting the team slip back into the lottery in the next couple of year was the best path. As they have a decent core of guys you only need one or two good picks to set you in the right direction.

Right now it looks like they'll spinning their wheels while Tatum and Brown mature, but they'll be stuck back betting on free agency after Hayward / Kemba expire, without accumulating enough assets to help them contend along the way.

But this is a continuation of their decision to sign Kemba and continue to compete but not contend. So I'm not sure what they can do at this stage except a total 180.

[kulaz3000]

Kawhi Leonard in 3rd year: 12.8 PPG/ 1.2 RB/ 2 assists
Brown in third year: 13 PPG/ 4.2 RB/ 1.4 assists

But yeah we can totally tell if a player is going to be any good based off raw stats in their third year and Brown is a bum.

They're only comparable in their 3rd years if you want to ignore defense, shooting and the fact that Kawhi was already Finals MVP on a championship roster at that stage while Brown was coming off the bench for a 2nd round exit

Brown shot 34.4% Kawhi 37.9 from three. It not like he blew him out of the water. Kawhi played better defense but Brown is still a great defender at his position. Say what you want but the main difference is Kawhi was on a championship level team with multiple HOF players

Provided that I haven't watched that many Celtics games, but the games I have seen over the past few years, I've always come away with the mind that Brown is a vastly overrated defender. He is adequate, and shows glimpses of being a good defender, but I'd hardly call him a consistently good defender right now. He definitely has the potential to be a very solid two way player, but he has a ways to go.

[YouthMovement]

Lol

[bebopdeluxe]

He doesnt deserve more than Buddy money, no more than Aaron Gordon money, Lavine money, etc.

4/80 (like lavine and gordon I think) would have been the most i offered, or just match in RFA

So much this. Make him prove he is a $30m/year player before paying him like one.