Around the NBA - Training Camp

[robillionaire]

I was pretty confident RJ was going to have a better career and it’s still early but I still feel pretty confident about it. I wish Greg Oden 2.0 nothing but the best.

6 year curse. You were warned.

[Capn'O]

Durant knows at this point he needs to be carried. he's a flake anyway. fuq that dude.

He might be but we know he's just saying what many players of his caliber are really thinking when it comes to the Knicks. What's funny is that Kawhi convinced another player to demand a trade so they can team up in LA and told the Clippers that the only way he's coming is if they can trade for Paul George, yet nobody says anything about it.

When it comes to the Knicks, we are a pretty thirsty franchise. Our history is longer than most in the league but out of all the major market teams we have the longest drought when it comes to a title. A lot of pressure and responsibility comes with playing for the Knicks and KD isn't the only one that's had opportunities and turned them down. KD and Irving can fail in Brooklyn and not many people will really care that much. On the Knicks, it's a whole different story.

This is one of the main reasons I want to see us become competitive again even if it is as a mediocre 7th or 8th seed playoff team, but not like the 54 win team of a few years ago where our window was small but as a young team with room to grow and get better. But I think we need to get back into the spotlight of being at least respectable and not a team that's lotto bound year after year.

Kawhi really didn't convince George. He's from there and wanted to be traded there before OKC. He did apparently convince The Clippers to pull the trigger. Kyrie convincing KD to join the 2nd team in NY just because he grew up a Nets fan is quite different.

I do agree that Knicks pressure to win is greater than what it would be in Brooklyn if those two came here. The thing is, most of these players don't want want real challenges.....KD especially. He wants it easy. Kyrie just wanted to go to his childhood team. I do think the injury to KD changed everything. even though I wanted zero parts of KD in a Knicks uniform I do think he'd be a Knick had he not been injured. Kyrie as well. All that "Knicks aint cool" nonsense is just a creampuff talking.

The Knicks really just need to focus on their course. We have a decent prospect at every position on the court, and all of our 1st rounders with cap flexibility going forward, and other teams 1sts too. The Knicks are in a good place, regardless of potential record. Really cant ask for more at that this stage.

I think that's likely. Also, if Kawhi wanted to come here, as they were talking but Kawhi did not want to come here. That is for sure.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Jesus. This situation is absolutely horrifying. There was definitely worry in the analysis of him before the draft, but holy sh*t he got pulled from SL and then didn't even make it to the regular season of his rookie year before a significant knee surgery.

I never feel bad for fans of other teams or opposing players because it's sports and f*ck everyone that's not with me, but this is the closest I've come. After that tweet and this video below, what is the absolute BEST you can realistically/objectively hope for as a NOP fan if his skill pans out in the league? 5 dope years with 2-3 of them as a transcendent player?

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And if I recall correctly this gait/standing situation (valgus) is exactly the stuff that led to a poster specifically calling Porzingis' ACL tear months before it happened.

I am so glad I'm not being put through this as a fan right now.

Feel terrible for him and the Pels. I hate several teams but they're not on the list. Just wondering though...does this mean we could have won the draft?

Wow. I didn't know about this. After I suffered my medial meniscal tear while dunking on shammgod (my right knee hit his head on my way up), I learned about all of the latest meniscal repair procedures from my college roommate, who went on to graduate from medical school and is now the Seattle sports teams' orthopedic doctor.

Zion is young so they'll be able to take heathy donor cartilage and surgically insert at the injury site. Riley Williams, M.D. at The Hospital for Special Surgery specializes in it. He was also the orthopedic doctor for Team USA during the Olympics.

[HEZI]

Durant knows at this point he needs to be carried. he's a flake anyway. fuq that dude.

He might be but we know he's just saying what many players of his caliber are really thinking when it comes to the Knicks. What's funny is that Kawhi convinced another player to demand a trade so they can team up in LA and told the Clippers that the only way he's coming is if they can trade for Paul George, yet nobody says anything about it.

When it comes to the Knicks, we are a pretty thirsty franchise. Our history is longer than most in the league but out of all the major market teams we have the longest drought when it comes to a title. A lot of pressure and responsibility comes with playing for the Knicks and KD isn't the only one that's had opportunities and turned them down. KD and Irving can fail in Brooklyn and not many people will really care that much. On the Knicks, it's a whole different story.

This is one of the main reasons I want to see us become competitive again even if it is as a mediocre 7th or 8th seed playoff team, but not like the 54 win team of a few years ago where our window was small but as a young team with room to grow and get better. But I think we need to get back into the spotlight of being at least respectable and not a team that's lotto bound year after year.

Kawhi really didn't convince George. He's from there and wanted to be traded there before OKC. He did apparently convince The Clippers to pull the trigger. Kyrie convincing KD to join the 2nd team in NY just because he grew up a Nets fan is quite different.

I do agree that Knicks pressure to win is greater than what it would be in Brooklyn if those two came here. The thing is, most of these players don't want want real challenges.....KD especially. He wants it easy. Kyrie just wanted to go to his childhood team. I do think the injury to KD changed everything. even though I wanted zero parts of KD in a Knicks uniform I do think he'd be a Knick had he not been injured. Kyrie as well. All that "Knicks aint cool" nonsense is just a creampuff talking.

The Knicks really just need to focus on their course. We have a decent prospect at every position on the court, and all of our 1st rounders with cap flexibility going forward, and other teams 1sts too. The Knicks are in a good place, regardless of potential record. Really cant ask for more at that this stage.

If KD wanted it easy he could have just stayed in GS or even signed with the Lakers. I think his business partner/manager wanted him in NYC and KD wanted to play for a winning team at the same time so Brooklyn was kind of the obvious choice there. When you think about it, what he said was right, Nets are more prepared and more experienced to win now than the Knicks. I don't really think there's an argument to be made about that currently. So it makes sense why he went to Brooklyn. Guys at his age and point in career really have no business taking on a challenge like carrying a young inexperienced team such as the Knicks anyway even at full health let alone after a major injury. Pairing up with another star player and having more experienced vets around is what other players and teams that are expected to compete for a title have and are doing.

I agree about the Knicks, there's a lot to like about what they have done with building through the draft and getting younger, the biggest issue I have is not understanding their concept of the team identity. We have young talent, future draft picks, cap flexibility but do we have the right guys in place that are capable of putting an actual team together? When it comes to assets and resources, the team is in the best position it's been in a long time.

[spree2kawhi]

Rest doesn’t regrow cartilage. It’s bad news. Possibly the worst news.

They can stem cell grow a liver, why not cartilage?

They’re working on some artificial cartilage implants but none approved yet beyond testing. It’s getting closer. But unclear if it would just reduce pain or allow you to compete at a high level.

In theory you could probably cushion every joint this way and so the sports leagues will have to one day soon figure out if it’s okay to artificially recover from injuries in certain ways.

What if someone can get a bionic knee or ankle? Not here yet but it’s coming.

A meniscus injury generally is not a severe cartilage problem though. Structurally meniscus is somewhat similar to cartilage but it's not the same. It lies above the cartilage like a protective layer. Hence I'm not as shocked by those news as so many people are right now. Meniscus usually is a minor injury and a minor surgery, even though it certainly can have worse effects on the knee down the road.

[Oscirus]

The Durant **** is tiring who cares why he didn't sign with the Knicks. If we weren't a contender its a stupid question and an obvious answer. Only question he should be getting is why he didn't sign with the Warriors.

The Zion thing is eh so far. It's better that this all happened earlier so he can adjust accordingly whether its changing his weight or his playing style ( preferably a bit of both but Im not an athlete so who am I to advise?) . I predict they'll hold him out and possibly try for roy next year since this year is shot for him.

[spree2kawhi]

Which extension do you guys think is best or worst?

[NYKnickerbocker]

Only one that’s ugly to me is brown lol. Hield can get buckets, sabonis is good, Siakim is worth it, and the Murray one is good. Hield and sabonis are worth that money at there current lvl of play and still have a lil upside. Brown still gettin paid in potential

[dakomish23]

Opening day, blouses!!!

[Stannis]

NO no Zion, Raptors no Kawhi. What a buzzkill of an opening game. #WontWatch

btw, I know Zion is injured and some are jumping the gun and saying RJ can be the best pick in the draft.

However, I think lot of people are sleeping on Ja Morant (probably b/c he's in Memphis). I still think he has a chance to be the best player in the draft even if Zion stays healthy.

[iLLmatic860]

I really do want to see both Zion and RJ succeed because I feel they're good for the league. Two humble players that are very smart and exciting to watch. I have nothing against the Pels, although I do feel that there is a conspiracy on how they're getting their top players after losing their stars (both Paul and Davis). Same goes for both Philly and Cleveland. Now I didn't want Zion because of his size (6'6 280) and I stated a long time ago that I was worried about his knees handling that weight. He gained about 100lbs of muscle between HS and NBA. He developed all that weight whether good or bad, but joints and cartilage do not develop as fast. But I do hope he comes back healthy, but feel that he needs to go ahead and take a full year off and lose the weight so that this does not occur again.

I get the Cleveland refrence but not the Philly? Which stars did Sixers lose and ended up getting?

[iLLmatic860]

NO no Zion, Raptors no Kawhi. What a buzzkill of an opening game. #WontWatch

btw, I know Zion is injured and some are jumping the gun and saying RJ can be the best pick in the draft.

However, I think lot of people are sleeping on Ja Morant (probably b/c he's in Memphis). I still think he has a chance to be the best player in the draft even if Zion stays healthy.

Pels is still an interesting team to watch

I think Lonzo and Ingram can both breakout. And that other young dude they drafted is nice. He killed us lol

[Capn'O]

Leaving this open for ongoing discussions... but the season has begun

[Knicksfan1992]

He might be but we know he's just saying what many players of his caliber are really thinking when it comes to the Knicks. What's funny is that Kawhi convinced another player to demand a trade so they can team up in LA and told the Clippers that the only way he's coming is if they can trade for Paul George, yet nobody says anything about it.

When it comes to the Knicks, we are a pretty thirsty franchise. Our history is longer than most in the league but out of all the major market teams we have the longest drought when it comes to a title. A lot of pressure and responsibility comes with playing for the Knicks and KD isn't the only one that's had opportunities and turned them down. KD and Irving can fail in Brooklyn and not many people will really care that much. On the Knicks, it's a whole different story.

This is one of the main reasons I want to see us become competitive again even if it is as a mediocre 7th or 8th seed playoff team, but not like the 54 win team of a few years ago where our window was small but as a young team with room to grow and get better. But I think we need to get back into the spotlight of being at least respectable and not a team that's lotto bound year after year.

Kawhi really didn't convince George. He's from there and wanted to be traded there before OKC. He did apparently convince The Clippers to pull the trigger. Kyrie convincing KD to join the 2nd team in NY just because he grew up a Nets fan is quite different.

I do agree that Knicks pressure to win is greater than what it would be in Brooklyn if those two came here. The thing is, most of these players don't want want real challenges.....KD especially. He wants it easy. Kyrie just wanted to go to his childhood team. I do think the injury to KD changed everything. even though I wanted zero parts of KD in a Knicks uniform I do think he'd be a Knick had he not been injured. Kyrie as well. All that "Knicks aint cool" nonsense is just a creampuff talking.

The Knicks really just need to focus on their course. We have a decent prospect at every position on the court, and all of our 1st rounders with cap flexibility going forward, and other teams 1sts too. The Knicks are in a good place, regardless of potential record. Really cant ask for more at that this stage.

If KD wanted it easy he could have just stayed in GS or even signed with the Lakers. I think his business partner/manager wanted him in NYC and KD wanted to play for a winning team at the same time so Brooklyn was kind of the obvious choice there. When you think about it, what he said was right, Nets are more prepared and more experienced to win now than the Knicks. I don't really think there's an argument to be made about that currently. So it makes sense why he went to Brooklyn. Guys at his age and point in career really have no business taking on a challenge like carrying a young inexperienced team such as the Knicks anyway even at full health let alone after a major injury. Pairing up with another star player and having more experienced vets around is what other players and teams that are expected to compete for a title have and are doing.

I agree about the Knicks, there's a lot to like about what they have done with building through the draft and getting younger, the biggest issue I have is not understanding their concept of the team identity. We have young talent, future draft picks, cap flexibility but do we have the right guys in place that are capable of putting an actual team together? When it comes to assets and resources, the team is in the best position it's been in a long time.

The problem is most of the guys that helped Brooklyn win last year had to leave to fit Durant, Kyrie and DAJ. I get what he's saying but in reality it didn't make much sense. We didn't have to ship anyone off to get all those 3 guys here.

Whatever, it's in the past, and I could care less about KD anymore. But the dude just looks stupid every time he tries to provide some logical rationale for his decision making.

[malik959]

I really do want to see both Zion and RJ succeed because I feel they're good for the league. Two humble players that are very smart and exciting to watch. I have nothing against the Pels, although I do feel that there is a conspiracy on how they're getting their top players after losing their stars (both Paul and Davis). Same goes for both Philly and Cleveland. Now I didn't want Zion because of his size (6'6 280) and I stated a long time ago that I was worried about his knees handling that weight. He gained about 100lbs of muscle between HS and NBA. He developed all that weight whether good or bad, but joints and cartilage do not develop as fast. But I do hope he comes back healthy, but feel that he needs to go ahead and take a full year off and lose the weight so that this does not occur again.

I get the Cleveland refrence but not the Philly? Which stars did Sixers lose and ended up getting?

No onebut for some reason they were able to get several high draft picks people knew their selection before the draft.

[iLLmatic860]

I really do want to see both Zion and RJ succeed because I feel they're good for the league. Two humble players that are very smart and exciting to watch. I have nothing against the Pels, although I do feel that there is a conspiracy on how they're getting their top players after losing their stars (both Paul and Davis). Same goes for both Philly and Cleveland. Now I didn't want Zion because of his size (6'6 280) and I stated a long time ago that I was worried about his knees handling that weight. He gained about 100lbs of muscle between HS and NBA. He developed all that weight whether good or bad, but joints and cartilage do not develop as fast. But I do hope he comes back healthy, but feel that he needs to go ahead and take a full year off and lose the weight so that this does not occur again.

I get the Cleveland refrence but not the Philly? Which stars did Sixers lose and ended up getting?

No onebut for some reason they were able to get several high draft picks people knew their selection before the draft.

Really? Not sure if I heard that one before

[NoDopeOnSundays]

NO no Zion, Raptors no Kawhi. What a buzzkill of an opening game. #WontWatch

btw, I know Zion is injured and some are jumping the gun and saying RJ can be the best pick in the draft.

However, I think lot of people are sleeping on Ja Morant (probably b/c he's in Memphis). I still think he has a chance to be the best player in the draft even if Zion stays healthy.

6'7" 200lbs wing > 90lbs 6'3" PG

You don't build championship teams around PGs that aren't named Wardell Curry.