Brandon Ingram vs Bogdan Bogdanovic

DeathLineup · Post #1 » by **DeathLineup** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:33 pm

Brandon Ingram and Bogdan Bogdanovic are now the two biggest RFAs in the upcoming offseason.

Currently, who has a higher value?

pillwenney · Post #2 » by **pillwenney** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:08 pm

Currently, it's hard to say. It will be much clearer in the summer. As of now, Bogdanovic is definitely the better player IMO, but Ingram has a way higher ceiling. This will very much be a "put up or shut up" season for him.

Bogi I feel pretty confident will be worth somewhere in the 4 year 60-75mil range. Ingram could be significantly less than that, or could blow up and be worth significantly more.

psman2 · Post #3 » by **psman2** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:15 pm

Add about the same to the poll. Don't see anyone giving more than a later 1st for either of them at this time.

jbk1234 · Post #4 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:22 pm

Ingram is such a big risk that I just don't see a team surrendering value to take it. If my team were to make him an offer as an RFA., I would want there to be non-guaranteed money and a team option involved.

Bogdonavich can get a late first from a playoff team in need of shooting. Whether that's worth it for the Kings is another matter, especially if they're also in the playoff hunt.

LofJ · Post #5 » by **LofJ** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:31 pm

Ingram is 5 years younger, assuming his blot clot issue was temporary I'd go with him over Bogdan given a comparable contract.

ecuhus1981 · Post #6 » by **ecuhus1981** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:48 pm

LofJ wrote:Ingram is 5 years younger, assuming his blot clot issue was temporary I'd go with him over Bogdan given a comparable contract.

I agree with most of this, BUT if we're looking at value we have to look at perceived next contract.

Brandon's current asset value is as much based on his potential and health as it is on what we feel his next contract will be. Due to a shallow free-agent pool, I think that someone will force New Orleans' hand and sign him to a maximum offer sheet. Or, they Pels could offer him a five-year deal worth more total money than a 4yr offer sheet, slightly under the max per year, similar to Tobias Harris. Either way, Ingram's getting paid big bucks. He puts up big numbers for a prospect his age, but I don't know that he'll ever live up to that salary or impact a game positively in that way.

Bogdan will see some big offers, but I could live with him and build around him at $18mil/yr, more easily I think than Brandon at $33mil/yr. Some people will say that Ingram can become a first or second option on an elite contender. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Resistance · Post #7 » by **Resistance** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:54 pm

For this season: Bogdanovic

If Ingram is unable to play at least 60 games this season, still needs the ball and is still a marginal three point shooter, I wonder what type of offers he will get next summer.

Coeur · Post #8 » by **Coeur** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:26 pm

Vlade needs to trade Bogdanovic to the Nugs. But someone will pay him mid 20’s offer if Kings or new team like the Nugs doesn’t want to pay him 20-22

Ingram could be close to max player. Unless he misses most of the year he will get over 20

Post #9 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:25 pm

Bogdan is a more useful player and is likely going to get paid less. I'm struggling to see any arguments for Ingram other than the false allure of potential.

Post #10 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm

Depending on how Ingram's season goes and his health is, he may not be in the top 2 RFAs. Teams may prefer Beasley or Saric. Hell, maybe even Royce O'Neale. There's just a real concern Ingram will never be able to be relied upon and he's still almost all potential on top of that.

jbk1234 · Post #11 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:15 pm

LofJ wrote:Ingram is 5 years younger, assuming his blot clot issue was temporary I'd go with him over Bogdan given a comparable contract.

But how does the team that's surrendering value just "assume" that? Is there some medical test that definitively rules it out? If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Mykhyn · Post #12 » by **Mykhyn** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:52 pm

pacers33granger wrote:Depending on how Ingram's season goes and his health is, he may not be in the top 2 RFAs. Teams may prefer Beasley or Saric. Hell, maybe even Royce O'Neale. There's just a real concern Ingram will never be able to be relied upon and he's still almost all potential on top of that.

Come on now.

O'Neale and Saric just arn't even close to Ingram's current, let alone potential. Unless you're expecting him to get more blood clots this year this feels disingenuous

wolves_89 · Post #13 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:28 pm

Based on what I expect each to get paid next off-season I would take Bogdanovic as being the better value.

becorz · Post #14 » by **becorz** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:29 pm

Ingram is the type of player who gets a huge contract offer in restricted free agency even though he might not be worth that money yet. He has the pedigree and and has had decent (but not great) production. Production wise, he is around Otto Porter and he got the max.

Those blood clots might be a problem for him. From what I have read (so, probably useless but I'll say it anyway), he had a clot, took the medication, and now everything is back to normal. They did a whole lot of tests to figure out if he had a chance to reform the clot and didn't really find any disorder. So, the running theory is that he just got unlucky and formed the clot (but got lucky the Lakers medical staff found it). But it sounds like he should be OK.

Given the Embid contract with the language on his pre-existing conditions, I see Ingram getting a max with language about blood clot disorders in there.

I don't see Bogi getting the max.

So, I guess I have to say Ingram is more valuable. Not matter how much it pains me.

Post #15 » by **pacers33granger** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:22 am

Cklbmk wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:Depending on how Ingram's season goes and his health is, he may not be in the top 2 RFAs. Teams may prefer Beasley or Saric. Hell, maybe even Royce O'Neale. There's just a real concern Ingram will never be able to be relied upon and he's still almost all potential on top of that.

Come on now.

O'Neale and Saric just arn't even close to Ingram's current, let alone potential. Unless you're expecting him to get more blood clots this year this feels disingenuous

Injury issues are very real with him. I could easily see teams being weary of commuting multiple years if anything creeps up again. And really, he's still super young but he's not a good player right now.

DeathLineup · Post #16 » by **DeathLineup** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:44 am

Ingram was really good tonight.

I'm just saying.

NuggetsWY · Post #17 » by **NuggetsWY** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:14 am

1st night of the season? I'll wait. They have different abilities. I'll wait until we see quite a few more games. It depends on what a given team needs. They both have value.

yanuary · Post #18 » by **yanuary** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:39 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Bogdan is a more useful player and is likely going to get paid less. I'm struggling to see any arguments for Ingram other than the false allure of potential.

You should consider your prospects rating system because it is so funny to read.

NoZoLakers · Post #19 » by **NoZoLakers** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:58 pm

ingram is shooting better % than Bogi, longer, better defender, just like the many other lakers who have found success after getting traded. Crappy coaching and drama filled issues in LA led to alot of issues with development here...look at the 3 lakers in NOP now, all producing (while not winning but you can only control your own game play)

Post #20 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:06 pm

Hopefully he's starting to put it together, but I would not make any judgments based on 3 games. And we'll see if he can stay on the court, which has always been his biggest issue.

Value: Brandon Ingram vs Bogdan Bogdanovic