Why Zion’s Knees Will Never Be Fixed

Drygon · Post #41 » by **Drygon** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:02 pm

Reeko wrote:

Watch on YouTube
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He made a follow up video after when Zion got his meniscus surgery.

;t

JonFromVA · Post #42 » by **JonFromVA** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:04 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:There was a time people believed Embiid was cooked as well. Zion has gone 19 years in his life without a knee issue until he blew through his shoe. I think the dude needs to cut off the excess weight, but I don't think all of a sudden his body will no longer be able to work the second he gets drafted into the NBA. Its not like he had a torn achilles or a Shaun Livingston kind of injury. I think it should be a big enough injury to get Zion and the Pels to focus on getting him in shape as priority #1. But a little premature to say his career is cooked.

Clearly anyone saying Embiid's career was cooked were just wrong, the question was how many years would he be healthy enough to help get a team to the playoffs then contribute in the playoffs; and whether it would be worth it.

Zion will return, but it's certainly fair to wonder whether he'll be able to stabilize and enjoy a long, healthy career.

Given Bill Walton back in the dark ages of sports medicine managed to hang in there another 8 seasons after his career was "cooked", the answer seems to be up to the player's willingness to endure rehab. Heck, Derrick Rose posted his career high in TS% for the TWolves last season. Maybe even Greg Oden would still be in the league if he didn't drink himself out of it.

Which is very easy to say now. Its really not that long ago that the vast majority were saying his career was done. He had a bad back and bad feet, pretty much the two worst things a big can have. He couldn't even play his first 2 seasons and his first season he only played 31 games.

Unless an actual majority of RealGM members replied to a poll on this topic, or at least a random sampling of RealGM members was performed; I seriously doubt you can legitimately claim this.

Any impression taken from a message board thread can be misleading due to misrepresentation of one side or the other in the thread.

Post #43 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:10 pm

Mbrahv0528 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:There was a time people believed Embiid was cooked as well. Zion has gone 19 years in his life without a knee issue until he blew through his shoe. I think the dude needs to cut off the excess weight, but I don't think all of a sudden his body will no longer be able to work the second he gets drafted into the NBA. Its not like he had a torn achilles or a Shaun Livingston kind of injury. I think it should be a big enough injury to get Zion and the Pels to focus on getting him in shape as priority #1. But a little premature to say his career is cooked.
He's had knee issues since highschool.

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His knee injury in high school was a knee bruise. Absolutely nothing to do with his weight or how crooked his knees are.

NBA Sheady · Post #44 » by **NBA Sheady** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:11 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:I am always impressed by how many medical experts we have here on RealGM.

I'm impressed they can determine anything when he's wearing shorts down to his knees :lol:

NaturalThunder · Post #45 » by **NaturalThunder** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:17 pm

Roland2000 wrote:
kodo wrote:This seems to be basing a lot on just 1 random Pels photo shoot.
His knees look perfectly straight there:

I don't think you need a special condition to be worried about the knees if you weigh 290 and play like Derrick Rose. He's an amazing specimen but should proactively manage his knees early.

They don't look straight.

I don't know...I think we need another red-line analysis by Memgrizz0 to know for sure.

I'd do it myself, but I don't think my computer has the software to do so.

Shy Gorgeous-Al · Post #46 » by **Shy Gorgeous-Al** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:17 pm

Poor Embiid is ****...

i'm out of red so I apologize.

IgorK · Post #47 » by **IgorK** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:22 pm

Being knock-kneed is a real issue for basketball players who have considerable size and/or rely on high impact-type of play (both apply to Zion). If you need proof, just look at what happened to Andrew Bynum. His ceiling was a top-3 center in the league.. until the knee issues ended his career completely.

Funcrusher · Post #48 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:26 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Dirk wrote:

Ill give one and Funcrusher can give the other haha.

TDotJon · Post #49 » by **TDotJon** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:27 pm

Knosh wrote:Oh you scared me for a second, but I figured it out: The Zion picture is photoshopped. Here is the original:

As you can see there is no red stuff around his knees in reality. So he should be fine imo. Nothing to worry about

he's looking real sloppy in this pic.

Shy Gorgeous-Al · Post #50 » by **Shy Gorgeous-Al** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:29 pm

Zion's issues are not the knees. They are just the casualties of his hip imbalances that causes his hip to rotate inwards which in turn causes what you call knock knees. He isn't truly knock kneed.

His issues are similar to IT who also has a penguin walk. What Zion needs to do is balance his hips. I don't know what his issues are specifically, but it is some type of muscular imbalance and not a structural one.

And I don't think his issues stem from his feet either because his gait does not suggest flat feet as this is classical hip 'pathology' walk, and I bet tons of players have flat feet and do not walk like this.

Sabas11 · Post #51 » by **Sabas11** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:41 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:I am always impressed by how many medical experts we have here on RealGM.

You should check out the number of experts on China, your mind will be blown.

KyRo23 · Post #52 » by **KyRo23** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Knosh wrote:Oh you scared me for a second, but I figured it out: The Zion picture is photoshopped. Here is the original:

As you can see there is no red stuff around his knees in reality. So he should be fine imo. Nothing to worry about

Hahaha I was about to try and prove you wrong until I read the last part. GENIUS

nikster · Post #53 » by **nikster** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:00 pm

Shy Gorgeous-Al wrote:

Poor Embiid is ****...

i'm out of red so I apologize.

Are these comparisons to Embiid supposed to be a positive for Zion?

Dude missed 2.5 seasons, barely cracked 2000 minutes for the first time this year, and has only played all games in 1 of 4 playoff series he has played in.

Add some more weight and a hyper athletic style of play and any comparisons to Embiid should be a huge concern for Zion

Myth · Post #54 » by **Myth** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:06 pm

I honestly have no idea how LeBron even walks.

Edrees · Post #55 » by **Edrees** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:16 pm

Pennebaker wrote:What's the curse again? Oden, Rose and Griffin were all drafted back to back to back and all had injury problems. Bennett and Wiggins were drafted back to back and both suck. Fultz was just drafted and he's terrible. #1 picks are cursed in general.

Most draft picks are "cursed." you just notice the #1 picks one more because you pay attention to them

lakerz12 · Post #56 » by **lakerz12** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:20 pm

TDotJon wrote:
Knosh wrote:Oh you scared me for a second, but I figured it out: The Zion picture is photoshopped. Here is the original:

As you can see there is no red stuff around his knees in reality. So he should be fine imo. Nothing to worry about

he's looking real sloppy in this pic.

Yeah the real question is, who designed these shorts? They look like a skirt and clearly are not the right fit for him.

Zion needs/deserves custom shorts!

First Take · Post #57 » by **First Take** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:22 pm

It's over before it began. I do not want to hear any player "potentially" being better than LeBron, since LeBron. First Blake Grifen, then Wiggins, now Zion. Simmons was somewhere in the mix too. The only player that lived up to the number 1 overall pick selection was Dwight Howard who went #1 overall in 2004.

yoyoboy · Post #58 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:23 pm

Shy Gorgeous-Al wrote:Zion's issues are not the knees. They are just the casualties of his hip imbalances that causes his hip to rotate inwards which in turn causes what you call knock knees. He isn't truly knock kneed.

His issues are similar to IT who also has a penguin walk. What Zion needs to do is balance his hips. I don't know what his issues are specifically, but it is some type of muscular imbalance and not a structural one.

And I don't think his issues stem from his feet either because his gait does not suggest flat feet as this is classical hip 'pathology' walk, and I bet tons of players have flat feet and do not walk like this.

This is a strong possibility. I have tight hips and it can cause a landslide of issues. Lower back pain, pelvic tilt, weak core, poor lateral mobility...

Balancing your hips, core, glutes, and hamstrings is crucial, and whether you need to do strengthening or stretching for each depends on the issue. I think that kind of physical therapy work that focuses on body maintenance and injury prevention needs to become more prominent. If you look at the way Zion walks it really does seem evident that he has some muscular/flexibility issues.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #59 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:24 pm

Nobody has posted the clips of how Zion walks? That is even more frightening than his knees.

Read on Twitter

lakerz12 · Post #60 » by **lakerz12** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:32 pm

As a Laker fan I probably shouldn't reveal this, but I feel it is my duty to the NBA community. The stories of LeBron spending $1 million per year on his body are just a facade. They are designed to confuse other NBA players and hide the easy fix for durable. The real reason LeBron is so durable is:

He points his toes out when he walks and runs. That's it. Zion can employ this method and be fine. The pointing of the toe outward has countless positive effects on the lower body as a whole. It forces the knee to bend outward and aligns the hip perfectly with the toe. It's a secret hidden in plain sight. The red lines don't lie.