Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[thelead]

really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

We traded Simmons and 3 2nd round picks for Fultz. If 'all' he becomes is our 'Shaun Livingston' for a decade, that's a hell of a deal for us.

i know what we traded for him. Really, its a robbery at this point.

But the way management seem to put all eggs in his basket, i really dont know why they did it.

That I don’t know. We’ve locked ourselves into this roster for better or worse.

[pepe1991]

Philadelphia traded him away to get away from media circus with no payoff after 2 years.
Since they started Simmons they are 50 wins team, and it was clear that they can use Fultz as a way to dump salary.
That summer they used additional salary to sign allstar Horford and resign Harris.

Magic got 1st overall pick that never played like one nor he ever showed he could.

Given where teams were at that moment, i would say it was right move for both teams, just like Lonzo- Ingram for Davis trade was fair trade for both sides.

Magic can afford to sit and wait for 2 years to figure is he MCW vol 2 or something better. Philly simply could not.

[fateis007]

So far I am not liking what I am seeing on the offensive end at all. I kind of figured his jump shot was going to be pretty terrible, but i was hoping with his handles, vision, and athletic ability, he could still be very good.

But so far I have seen a player that we wanted to be a scorer, look unwilling or unable to produce offense for himself.

He isn't getting by defenders at all (his first step doesn't look that explosive and he always need a pick), hes not drawing fouls, he can't really create offense 1 on 1 with his handles. His vision is solid and he can push the ball, but things get ugly in the half court. And of course we all know the jump shot issues.

It's just 6 games, and I hope he turns it on when the season starts, but at this point he doesn't look like a player capable of being a consistent scoring threat. If he can't shoot, he has to be able to at least get to the rim, and draw contact.

[Skin]

Dat dunk

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[PrimeThyme]

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This is the thing about Fultz, even if he never makes another 3 pointer he still has this incredible ability to create space for himself off the dribble. His midrange still looks good, and I'm confident that he can consistently create these types of looks for himself. I'm still so high on this kid.

[J-Mezzy]

I was pleasantly surprised. I thought it would take him a while to develop some confidence

But watching the game live, kid was impressive. Looked like the most dangerous player on the court when he was being aggressive. I hope he can continue to gain confidence because he could be special

[Knightro]

Two things really stand out when I watch Fultz.

The first thing is just how big he is for a PG. He’s every bit of 6’4” (in shoes) and 200 lbs with a long wingspan. One play in particular this was noticeable was his last basket. Fultz got a good screen from Vucevic, came around it with the much smaller (6’1” 175 lbs) Darius Garland on his hip and basically just used his size and strength to keep the young kid stuck in a disadvantaged position for a pretty easy righty layup finish.

He also completely froze the help defender Tristan Thompson because he had just whipped one around Tristan’s back to Vucevic for a dunk in an near identical situation a possession or two earlier.

The other thing that’s really noticeable to me is something that is tough to really describe. Someone else mentioned Fultz plays like a drunken master and it’s really hilariously accurate.

His handle and change of direction is unorthodox in how herky jerky it is. Fultz has a certain unique craftiness in how he gets to his spots that you just don’t see from many players, much less 21 year olds. Hesitation dribbles, shoulder fakes, spin moves, Fultz has all the moves that the 45 year old dude uses to school 25 year olds every afternoon at the YMCA.

I’m fascinated to keep watching him develop. Feels like he could spoon feed Vucevic a zillion layups with how soft Nik’s hands are on the roll.

[tiderulz]

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This is the thing about Fultz, even if he never makes another 3 pointer he still has this incredible ability to create space for himself off the dribble. His midrange still looks good, and I'm confident that he can consistently create these types of looks for himself. I'm still so high on this kid.

looks good as in form? he was 1-6 beyond 3-10 ft.

[tiderulz]

Two things really stand out when I watch Fultz.

The first thing is just how big he is for a PG. He’s every bit of 6’4” (in shoes) and 200 lbs with a long wingspan. One play in particular this was noticeable was his last basket. Fultz got a good screen from Vucevic, came around it with the much smaller (6’1” 175 lbs) Darius Garland on his hip and basically just used his size and strength to keep the young kid stuck in a disadvantaged position for a pretty easy righty layup finish.

He also completely froze the help defender Tristan Thompson because he had just whipped one around Tristan’s back to Vucevic for a dunk in an near identical situation a possession or two earlier.

The other thing that’s really noticeable to me is something that is tough to really describe. Someone else mentioned Fultz plays like a drunken master and it’s really hilariously accurate.

His handle and change of direction is unorthodox in how herky jerky it is. Fultz has a certain unique craftiness in how he gets to his spots that you just don’t see from many players, much less 21 year olds. Hesitation dribbles, shoulder fakes, spin moves, Fultz has all the moves that the 45 year old dude uses to school 25 year olds every afternoon at the YMCA.

I’m fascinated to keep watching him develop. Feels like he could spoon feed Vucevic a zillion layups with how soft Nik’s hands are on the roll.

uh uh uh, we apparently dont use height in shoes anymore, just list his barefoot height

[PrimeThyme]

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This is the thing about Fultz, even if he never makes another 3 pointer he still has this incredible ability to create space for himself off the dribble. His midrange still looks good, and I'm confident that he can consistently create these types of looks for himself. I'm still so high on this kid.

looks good as in form? he was 1-6 beyond 3-10 ft.

Yes. It looks much closer to his form at Washington. I'm not concerned about shooting percentages at this stage. He's had multiple rim out in preseason and had one rim out last night. Just needs to keep gaining confidence.

[tiderulz]

Spoiler:

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This is the thing about Fultz, even if he never makes another 3 pointer he still has this incredible ability to create space for himself off the dribble. His midrange still looks good, and I'm confident that he can consistently create these types of looks for himself. I'm still so high on this kid.

looks good as in form? he was 1-6 beyond 3-10 ft.

Yes. It looks much closer to his form at Washington. I'm not concerned about shooting percentages at this stage. He's had multiple rim out in preseason and had one rim out last night. Just needs to keep gaining confidence.

ok, i didnt get the game up here. to be honest, i dont care if someone's form is or is not the picture perfect one, as long as it works for him, is consistent and he is confident with it.

[Max Power]

Watching Fultz last night, I definitely have hope he can do some great things. He’s a lightning bolt on the court. He’s crafty, defends well, moves around like a maniac and gets his teammates the ball in position to score. He had a couple hyper moments that resulted in bad passes but he’s young, I can live with that. I was impressed. If he can do that in reserve all year that will be huge.

His shot definitely is a wreck at the moment, considering his issues I’m not surprised. But he’s just getting back. I suspect his shot will improve a bit as the season goes on. As long as he continues to work on that and do everything else well I’ll be very happy with Markelle Fultz.

[J-Mezzy]

Russell Westbrook seems to be the best comparison

[NavalAviator94]

His shot reminds me of how Steph Curry shoots without the accuracy.


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[Skin]

Even without range on his shot... the other combination of things he can still do for this team... it brings tears of joy to my eyes.

[Ugly0598]

His mid-range shot looked better than usual I thought IMO.

[swarlesbarkley]

I wonder why he uses his legs more on his midrange jumpers than his 3. On his midrange jumpers he shoots at the top of his jump and jumps a good foot and a half off the ground. On his 3s, he shoots on the way up and only jumps like 6 inches. Completely different shots. I want to see him shoot a 3 like he shoots the midrange. Maybe he's working his way back to that.

[Popsicle1228]

I wonder why he uses his legs more on his midrange jumpers than his 3. On his midrange jumpers he shoots at the top of his jump and jumps a good foot and a half off the ground. On his 3s, he shoots on the way up and only jumps like 6 inches. Completely different shots. I want to see him shoot a 3 like he shoots the midrange. Maybe he's working his way back to that.

In my opinion it looks like he re-worked his shot from long range in order to minimize the chance of a flare up in his shoulder. Because of this he seems to be switching between 2 different shooting forms depending on where he is located on the court. If that is what he is doing, it has to be mentally exhausting because he cannot use his natural shot from a certain range.It would be incredibly difficult becoming efficient from range using an unnatural shooting form, but I hope he can adjust somehow.

Maybe none of what I just said is true, but that is what it looks like to me from the outside looking in. Can’t think of another plausible explanation for 2 distinctly different forms except for reducing potential symptoms, reducing current symptoms, or simply experiencing general weakness in his shoulder from an extended period of nerve compression.

[MagicFrenchie]

So far I am not liking what I am seeing on the offensive end at all. I kind of figured his jump shot was going to be pretty terrible, but i was hoping with his handles, vision, and athletic ability, he could still be very good.

But so far I have seen a player that we wanted to be a scorer, look unwilling or unable to produce offense for himself.

He isn't getting by defenders at all (his first step doesn't look that explosive and he always need a pick), hes not drawing fouls, he can't really create offense 1 on 1 with his handles. His vision is solid and he can push the ball, but things get ugly in the half court. And of course we all know the jump shot issues.

It's just 6 games, and I hope he turns it on when the season starts, but at this point he doesn't look like a player capable of being a consistent scoring threat. If he can't shoot, he has to be able to at least get to the rim, and draw contact.

Is this a real analysis?