OT: Official KP Thread

[HEZI]

Are you even watching what Trae Young is doing right now?

Lol my goodness

[ChaosHamster]

Trae is on fire right now. Looks faster, first step is incredible. Just blowing past Brown on every play.

My problem with teams passing on Luka is not based on how dudes picked over him look right now. Its just, he was clearly the best prospect BEFORE the draft, and 3 teams passed on him. At least Hawks got something for that.. Reddish looking meh, btw.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No, because Trae is exactly the general they wanted. His ability to push the pace and play as fast as he does and also he's a better passer than Doncic and Doncic is a very good passer too but Young is just better his vision is incredible. Doncic is more of a halfcourt player and the Hawks are not looking to play strictly halfcourt ball.

Halfcourt players win titles, that is what the goal is right? You know Doncic is going to score in a halfcourt game against tough defenses in the playoffs, it's clearly in his DNA, and because of his size he'll still be a decent defender across multiple positions so if you need to hide him on an offensively challenged 3 or 4 you can.

I think everyone expected Doncic to be good, but nobody outside of the Mavs was expecting him to be this good, he's a 3 level scorer with ability to run an offense. Those type of players are rare. This is why I wanted Barrett over Morant or Garland, big wings that can score and run an offense are more important than PGs.

You still keep going off of your own personal preference and not what the Hawks have made clear not only verbally but also the way they play.

As far as what you are saying, no I don't agree with it at all

My personal preference is backed up by NBA history, big wings that are 3 level scorers & facilitators win. Of course they're going to say they love Trae, no team is going to come out and say they wished they didn't make the trade They had no idea Doncic would look like a European Harden when they traded him.

You don't need to agree with me, 10 of the last 11 finals MVPs have been SGs or SFs, the lone exception is Dirk. You have to go back to 2007 to find a PG that won a finals MVP, in the NBA the position Doncic plays is more valuable.

[HEZI]

Halfcourt players win titles, that is what the goal is right? You know Doncic is going to score in a halfcourt game against tough defenses in the playoffs, it's clearly in his DNA, and because of his size he'll still be a decent defender across multiple positions so if you need to hide him on an offensively challenged 3 or 4 you can.

I think everyone expected Doncic to be good, but nobody outside of the Mavs was expecting him to be this good, he's a 3 level scorer with ability to run an offense. Those type of players are rare. This is why I wanted Barrett over Morant or Garland, big wings that can score and run an offense are more important than PGs.

You still keep going off of your own personal preference and not what the Hawks have made clear not only verbally but also the way they play.

As far as what you are saying, no I don't agree with it at all

My personal preference is backed up by NBA history, big wings that are 3 level scorers & facilitators win. Of course they're going to say they love Trae, no team is going to come out and say they wished they didn't make the trade They had no idea Doncic would look like a European Harden when they traded him.

You don't need to agree with me, 10 of the last 11 finals MVPs have been SGs or SFs, the lone exception is Dirk. You have to go back to 2007 to find a PG that won a finals MVP, in the NBA the position Doncic plays is more valuable.

Finals MVP's? Really?

Are you saying PG's don't win? Really?

There is no such thing as Wings win or PGs win, the only thing that works is finding the right formula and combination of players.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You still keep going off of your own personal preference and not what the Hawks have made clear not only verbally but also the way they play.

As far as what you are saying, no I don't agree with it at all

My personal preference is backed up by NBA history, big wings that are 3 level scorers & facilitators win. Of course they're going to say they love Trae, no team is going to come out and say they wished they didn't make the trade They had no idea Doncic would look like a European Harden when they traded him.

You don't need to agree with me, 10 of the last 11 finals MVPs have been SGs or SFs, the lone exception is Dirk. You have to go back to 2007 to find a PG that won a finals MVP, in the NBA the position Doncic plays is more valuable.

Finals MVP's? Really?

Are you saying PG's don't win? Really?

There is no such thing as Wings win or PGs win, the only thing that works is finding the right formula and combination of players.

Not sure what's so funny about finals MVP, would you rather I use league MVP? 20 of the last 26 MVPs are wings or bigs and has skewed heavily towards wing players in the last 15 years


It's not a coincidence that the right combination of players usually includes a dominant wing player more so than a PG. Did you want Morant over Barrett?

[HEZI]

My personal preference is backed up by NBA history, big wings that are 3 level scorers & facilitators win. Of course they're going to say they love Trae, no team is going to come out and say they wished they didn't make the trade They had no idea Doncic would look like a European Harden when they traded him.

You don't need to agree with me, 10 of the last 11 finals MVPs have been SGs or SFs, the lone exception is Dirk. You have to go back to 2007 to find a PG that won a finals MVP, in the NBA the position Doncic plays is more valuable.

Finals MVP's? Really?

Are you saying PG's don't win? Really?

There is no such thing as Wings win or PGs win, the only thing that works is finding the right formula and combination of players.

Not sure what's so funny about finals MVP, would you rather I use league MVP? 20 of the last 26 MVPs are wings or bigs and has skewed heavily towards wing players in the last 15 years


It's not a coincidence that the right combination of players usually includes a dominant wing player more so than a PG. Did you want Morant over Barrett?

You really gonna use Lebron, Kawhi and KD to justify your argument?

Lebron won what in Cleveland without Kyrie? Nada

KD won what without Steph? Nada

You compared Luka to Harden but Harden has won what? Nada

Kawhi went into Michael Jordan mode throughout the playoffs last year and even he needed guys like Lowry and FVV to step up and help him when it mattered.

I wanted Garland then Barrett and interesting you bring up Barrett because guess what he's winning with the Knicks with Elfird Payton at PG? Nada!

You know what Doncic is winning with Delon Wright at PG? Nada

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Finals MVP's? Really?

Are you saying PG's don't win? Really?

There is no such thing as Wings win or PGs win, the only thing that works is finding the right formula and combination of players.

Not sure what's so funny about finals MVP, would you rather I use league MVP? 20 of the last 26 MVPs are wings or bigs and has skewed heavily towards wing players in the last 15 years


It's not a coincidence that the right combination of players usually includes a dominant wing player more so than a PG. Did you want Morant over Barrett?

You really gonna use Lebron, Kawhi and KD to justify your argument?

Lebron won what in Cleveland without Kyrie? Nada

KD won what without Steph? Nada

You compared Luka to Harden but Harden has won what? Nada

Kawhi went into Michael Jordan mode throughout the playoffs last year and even he needed guys like Lowry and FVV to step up and help him when it mattered.

I wanted Garland then Barrett and interesting you bring up Barrett because guess what he's winning with the Knicks with Elfird Payton at PG? Nada!

You know what Doncic is winning with Delon Wright at PG? Nada

LeBron won with Mario Chalmers as his PG in Miami

Kobe won with Derek Fisher.

Kawhi won without a top 5 PG.

I already said you don't trade a wing like Doncic unless you know you're getting a Curry level PG in return, and those come along once every 20 years (Magic, Isaiah, Curry) and it hasn't been 20 years since Curry was drafted

You really wanted Garland over Barrett? Yuck. My point is having a dominant wing is easier to build around than a PG, because PGs generally don't make it into the top 5 player in the league conversation. We're in a PG era, and only 1 of them is good enough to be a franchise player, and even he ultimately needed a dominant HALFCOURT wing player to team up with him, or else Harden or LeBron would have beat them.

I know as Knick fans it's hard to imagine a good PG and thus overrate the position, but even the Mavs already punted on their PG because wings & bigs are where it's at in the NBA right now, and it's not Delon Wright that's part of their future, it's Jalen Brunson who is in the Derek Fisher mold. If Barrett reaches his potential all we need is "good" at the PG spot, you're not winning a title today with just "good" on the wing.

[HEZI]

Not sure what's so funny about finals MVP, would you rather I use league MVP? 20 of the last 26 MVPs are wings or bigs and has skewed heavily towards wing players in the last 15 years


It's not a coincidence that the right combination of players usually includes a dominant wing player more so than a PG. Did you want Morant over Barrett?

You really gonna use Lebron, Kawhi and KD to justify your argument?

Lebron won what in Cleveland without Kyrie? Nada

KD won what without Steph? Nada

You compared Luka to Harden but Harden has won what? Nada

Kawhi went into Michael Jordan mode throughout the playoffs last year and even he needed guys like Lowry and FVV to step up and help him when it mattered.

I wanted Garland then Barrett and interesting you bring up Barrett because guess what he's winning with the Knicks with Elfird Payton at PG? Nada!

You know what Doncic is winning with Delon Wright at PG? Nada

LeBron won with Mario Chalmers as his PG in Miami

Kobe won with Derek Fisher.

Kawhi won without a top 5 PG.

I already said you don't trade a wing like Doncic unless you know you're getting a Curry level PG in return, and those come along once every 20 years (Magic, Isaiah, Curry) and it hasn't been 20 years since Curry was drafted

You really wanted Garland over Barrett? Yuck. My point is having a dominant wing is easier to build around than a PG, because PGs generally don't make it into the top 5 player in the league conversation. We're in a PG era, and only 1 of them is good enough to be a franchise player, and even he ultimately needed a dominant HALFCOURT wing player to team up with him, or else Harden or LeBron would have beat them.

I know as Knick fans it's hard to imagine a good PG and thus overrate the position, but even the Mavs already punted on their PG because wings & bigs are where it's at in the NBA right now, and it's not Delon Wright that's part of their future, it's Jalen Brunson who is in the Derek Fisher mold.

Dude said Garland yuck

Go ask RJ Barrett if he would love to have Garland right now

Anyway, Lebron won with Mario Chalmers so thats your blueprint? Ok cool, all we need now is Doncic to turn into Lebron and THJ to turn into DWade and KP to look like Bosh and boom you might have something

Steph Curry won with Harrison Barnes or do you count Klay Thompson as a triple threat scorer who is also a facilitator?

You think it's easier to build around Doncic? Ok cool, lets see how long it takes the Mavs to build a championship team. Should happen pretty quick so I'll be expecting a title from them pretty soon

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You really gonna use Lebron, Kawhi and KD to justify your argument?

Lebron won what in Cleveland without Kyrie? Nada

KD won what without Steph? Nada

You compared Luka to Harden but Harden has won what? Nada

Kawhi went into Michael Jordan mode throughout the playoffs last year and even he needed guys like Lowry and FVV to step up and help him when it mattered.

I wanted Garland then Barrett and interesting you bring up Barrett because guess what he's winning with the Knicks with Elfird Payton at PG? Nada!

You know what Doncic is winning with Delon Wright at PG? Nada

LeBron won with Mario Chalmers as his PG in Miami

Kobe won with Derek Fisher.

Kawhi won without a top 5 PG.

I already said you don't trade a wing like Doncic unless you know you're getting a Curry level PG in return, and those come along once every 20 years (Magic, Isaiah, Curry) and it hasn't been 20 years since Curry was drafted

You really wanted Garland over Barrett? Yuck. My point is having a dominant wing is easier to build around than a PG, because PGs generally don't make it into the top 5 player in the league conversation. We're in a PG era, and only 1 of them is good enough to be a franchise player, and even he ultimately needed a dominant HALFCOURT wing player to team up with him, or else Harden or LeBron would have beat them.

I know as Knick fans it's hard to imagine a good PG and thus overrate the position, but even the Mavs already punted on their PG because wings & bigs are where it's at in the NBA right now, and it's not Delon Wright that's part of their future, it's Jalen Brunson who is in the Derek Fisher mold.

Dude said Garland yuck

Go ask RJ Barrett if he would love to have Garland right now

Anyway, Lebron won with Mario Chalmers so thats your blueprint? Ok cool, all we need now is Doncic to turn into Lebron and THJ to turn into DWade and KP to look like Bosh and boom you might have something

Steph Curry won with Harrison Barnes or do you count Klay Thompson as a triple threat scorer who is also a facilitator?

You think it's easier to build around Doncic? Ok cool, lets see how long it takes the Mavs to build a championship team. Should happen pretty quick so I'll be expecting a title from them pretty soon

Nah, I didn't say yuck to Garland, I said yuck to wanting him over RJ. Sure, I'd love to have them both, but the option was only 1, and I always take the wing over the PG in that situation.

Steph is a generational PG, I said that already, Trae, Garland, Fox are not him while Doncic is looking like a generational talent, his resume speaks for itself.

Yeah I think it's easier to build around Doncic, you can play him at multiple positions, he's got the size to play the smallball 4 (6'8 in shoes), with guys like Garland he can only play the 1, which is why the Cavs will probably trade Sexton in he future. So, you must think it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than for us to build around Barrett?

[dakomish23]

Trae is awesome too

Mills really wanted to compete instead of getting one of these studs in the top 5 SMH

[HEZI]

LeBron won with Mario Chalmers as his PG in Miami

Kobe won with Derek Fisher.

Kawhi won without a top 5 PG.

I already said you don't trade a wing like Doncic unless you know you're getting a Curry level PG in return, and those come along once every 20 years (Magic, Isaiah, Curry) and it hasn't been 20 years since Curry was drafted

You really wanted Garland over Barrett? Yuck. My point is having a dominant wing is easier to build around than a PG, because PGs generally don't make it into the top 5 player in the league conversation. We're in a PG era, and only 1 of them is good enough to be a franchise player, and even he ultimately needed a dominant HALFCOURT wing player to team up with him, or else Harden or LeBron would have beat them.

I know as Knick fans it's hard to imagine a good PG and thus overrate the position, but even the Mavs already punted on their PG because wings & bigs are where it's at in the NBA right now, and it's not Delon Wright that's part of their future, it's Jalen Brunson who is in the Derek Fisher mold.

Dude said Garland yuck

Go ask RJ Barrett if he would love to have Garland right now

Anyway, Lebron won with Mario Chalmers so thats your blueprint? Ok cool, all we need now is Doncic to turn into Lebron and THJ to turn into DWade and KP to look like Bosh and boom you might have something

Steph Curry won with Harrison Barnes or do you count Klay Thompson as a triple threat scorer who is also a facilitator?

You think it's easier to build around Doncic? Ok cool, lets see how long it takes the Mavs to build a championship team. Should happen pretty quick so I'll be expecting a title from them pretty soon

Nah, I didn't say yuck to Garland, I said yuck to wanting him over RJ. Sure, I'd love to have them both, but the option was only 1, and I always take the wing over the PG in that situation.

Steph is a generational PG, I said that already, Trae, Garland, Fox are not him while Doncic is looking like a generational talent, his resume speaks for itself.

Yeah I think it's easier to build around Doncic, you can play him at multiple positions, he's got the size to play the smallball 4 (6'8 in shoes), with guys like Garland he can only play the 1, which is why the Cavs will probably trade Sexton in he future. So, you must think it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than for us to build around Barrett?

Doncic is a generational talent? I think you are letting the European hype get to you. If Doncic wasn't European there would be nothing generational about him.

You can slide Doncic wherever you want, it wont matter if the right pieces aren't around him.

When did I say it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than Knicks to build around RJ? I never said building around Young is easier, that narrative in regards to Doncic was coming from you. I saw a plan from the Hawks from the get go when it came to Young, followed them very closely because I was super high on Young so I was very curious as to where he would land and when rumors came out about Hawks making him their number 1 target I was very curious as to why so I did quite a bit research. Everything they were doing made sense and still does. Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing. I don't like the situation he's landed in with Cleveland. I see no strategy or plan that I feel confident in Garland thriving in. For sure they need to get rid of Sexton because that won't work, just like Dallas had to get rid of DSJ for Doncic to thrive. But Mavs made it clear they were building around Doncic. Knicks better build around RJ. Are Cavs building around Garland? I feel like they just took him because he was bpa but I see no strategy yet for building around him but we will see.

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[dakomish23]

Dude said Garland yuck

Go ask RJ Barrett if he would love to have Garland right now

Anyway, Lebron won with Mario Chalmers so thats your blueprint? Ok cool, all we need now is Doncic to turn into Lebron and THJ to turn into DWade and KP to look like Bosh and boom you might have something

Steph Curry won with Harrison Barnes or do you count Klay Thompson as a triple threat scorer who is also a facilitator?

You think it's easier to build around Doncic? Ok cool, lets see how long it takes the Mavs to build a championship team. Should happen pretty quick so I'll be expecting a title from them pretty soon

Nah, I didn't say yuck to Garland, I said yuck to wanting him over RJ. Sure, I'd love to have them both, but the option was only 1, and I always take the wing over the PG in that situation.

Steph is a generational PG, I said that already, Trae, Garland, Fox are not him while Doncic is looking like a generational talent, his resume speaks for itself.

Yeah I think it's easier to build around Doncic, you can play him at multiple positions, he's got the size to play the smallball 4 (6'8 in shoes), with guys like Garland he can only play the 1, which is why the Cavs will probably trade Sexton in he future. So, you must think it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than for us to build around Barrett?

Doncic is a generational talent? I think you are letting the European hype get to you. If Doncic wasn't European there would be nothing generational about him.

You can slide Doncic wherever you want, it wont matter if the right pieces aren't around him.

When did I say it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than Knicks to build around RJ? I never said building around Young is easier, that narrative in regards to Doncic was coming from you. I saw a plan from the Hawks from the get go when it came to Young, followed them very closely because I was super high on Young so I was very curious as to where he would land and when rumors came out about Hawks making him their number 1 target I was very curious as to why so I did quite a bit research. Everything they were doing made sense and still does. Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing. I don't like the situation he's landed in with Cleveland. I see no strategy or plan that I feel confident in Garland thriving in. For sure they need to get rid of Sexton because that won't work, just like Dallas had to get rid of DSJ for Doncic to thrive. But Mavs made it clear they were building around Doncic. Knicks better build around RJ. Are Cavs building around Garland? I feel like they just took him because he was bpa but I see no strategy yet for building around him but we will see.

His hype has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He's a great player already and the sky's the limit.

That's why I wanted him. IDGAF if he's martian. Get great players on this roster.

[dakomish23]

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Julius would take a back seat to Luka too.

[HEZI]

Nah, I didn't say yuck to Garland, I said yuck to wanting him over RJ. Sure, I'd love to have them both, but the option was only 1, and I always take the wing over the PG in that situation.

Steph is a generational PG, I said that already, Trae, Garland, Fox are not him while Doncic is looking like a generational talent, his resume speaks for itself.

Yeah I think it's easier to build around Doncic, you can play him at multiple positions, he's got the size to play the smallball 4 (6'8 in shoes), with guys like Garland he can only play the 1, which is why the Cavs will probably trade Sexton in he future. So, you must think it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than for us to build around Barrett?

Doncic is a generational talent? I think you are letting the European hype get to you. If Doncic wasn't European there would be nothing generational about him.

You can slide Doncic wherever you want, it wont matter if the right pieces aren't around him.

When did I say it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than Knicks to build around RJ? I never said building around Young is easier, that narrative in regards to Doncic was coming from you. I saw a plan from the Hawks from the get go when it came to Young, followed them very closely because I was super high on Young so I was very curious as to where he would land and when rumors came out about Hawks making him their number 1 target I was very curious as to why so I did quite a bit research. Everything they were doing made sense and still does. Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing. I don't like the situation he's landed in with Cleveland. I see no strategy or plan that I feel confident in Garland thriving in. For sure they need to get rid of Sexton because that won't work, just like Dallas had to get rid of DSJ for Doncic to thrive. But Mavs made it clear they were building around Doncic. Knicks better build around RJ. Are Cavs building around Garland? I feel like they just took him because he was bpa but I see no strategy yet for building around him but we will see.

His hype has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He's a great player already and the sky's the limit.

That's why I wanted him. IDGAF if he's martian. Get great players on this roster.

He's a great player no doubt but the generational talent stuff is all Euro hype

Jokic is probably more of a generational talent than Doncic is and that's no knock on Doncic

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Julius would take a back seat to Luka too.

Not sure what Luka has to do with this. Randle flat out had a better debut than him.

[dakomish23]

Randle > max contract Ryan Anderson

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Julius would take a back seat to Luka too.

Not sure what Luka has to do with this. Randle flat out had a better debut than him.

KP took a back seat so he's going to have less gaudy numbers.

Randle is far and away the #1 option on this team.

Every team is going to get 90 points and 45 rebounds - JVG. Simple logic that can be applied to this scenario.

Him, like KP, take a backseat to Luka.

[3toheadmelo]

Julius would take a back seat to Luka too.

Not sure what Luka has to do with this. Randle flat out had a better debut than him.

KP took a back seat so he's going to have less gaudy numbers.

Randle is far and away the #1 option on this team.

Him, like KP, take a backseat to Luka.

When KP was the first option on the Knicks he literally put up the same numbers. Bad effiency and 20+ points with poor rebounding. With more usage his effiency will drop even more. Randle is a more rounded player than him which is why he’s putting up numbers like this.

Luka is irrelevant to this.

[RHODEY]

Doncic is a generational talent? I think you are letting the European hype get to you. If Doncic wasn't European there would be nothing generational about him.

You can slide Doncic wherever you want, it wont matter if the right pieces aren't around him.

When did I say it's easier for the Cavs to build around Garland than Knicks to build around RJ? I never said building around Young is easier, that narrative in regards to Doncic was coming from you. I saw a plan from the Hawks from the get go when it came to Young, followed them very closely because I was super high on Young so I was very curious as to where he would land and when rumors came out about Hawks making him their number 1 target I was very curious as to why so I did quite a bit research. Everything they were doing made sense and still does. Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing. I don't like the situation he's landed in with Cleveland. I see no strategy or plan that I feel confident in Garland thriving in. For sure they need to get rid of Sexton because that won't work, just like Dallas had to get rid of DSJ for Doncic to thrive. But Mavs made it clear they were building around Doncic. Knicks better build around RJ. Are Cavs building around Garland? I feel like they just took him because he was bpa but I see no strategy yet for building around him but we will see.

His hype has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He's a great player already and the sky's the limit.

That's why I wanted him. IDGAF if he's martian. Get great players on this roster.

He's a great player no doubt but the generational talent stuff is all Euro hype

Jokic is probably more of a generational talent than Doncic is and that's no knock on Doncic

Yeah but Doncic is a 2nd year player. So I dont think comparing him to Jokic right now is 100% fair. But was Jokic as a year 2 player as good as Luka is now? I dislike the Mavs but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think Luka was trending towards greatness.

[dakomish23]

Not sure what Luka has to do with this. Randle flat out had a better debut than him.

KP took a back seat so he's going to have less gaudy numbers.

Randle is far and away the #1 option on this team.

Him, like KP, take a backseat to Luka.

When KP was the first option on the Knicks he literally put up the same numbers. Bad effiency and 20+ points with poor rebounding. With more usage his effiency will drop even more. Randle is a more rounded player than him which is why he’s putting up numbers like this.

Luka is irrelevant to this.

KP 1st game as the #1 option at the age of 22

31 Pts 12 rebs 1 ast 1 blk 11-25 FG 2-6 3PT 7-9 FT

Randle wouldn't put up the same numbers he did in our first game if he's the 2nd option.

Straight forward.