2019 Regular Season

[hermes]

dalvin cook is special

[Jedzz]

Back to the conservative stupid offense. I guess you can get away with it against the Redskins this year.

Running out of time. Running the football repeatedly using more clock and wasting the downs. Because Zimmer doesn't care if they have to kick yet another field goal and make it 9-6. Sad conservative football. It's the Redskins so you probably can run it in. But this teaches your team nothing, except throws them off the great groove they've had going as a balanced forward moving team. Seeing Diggs on plays as the lone WR makes me want to puke.

Why did I decide to watch this stupid coach's team again? I hope Adrian and Keenum can open up a can of whoopass in the second half and shove it in Zimmers conservative eye.

[hermes]

the overhead shots of us bank are really great, looks great

love being able to look through the roof and see the field

[hermes]

i like mattison, he is always going with a full head of steam

[hermes]

elflein is not having a great game

[Jedzz]

Screens, dumps to backs. Now Three wide and a dump to the back 7 yards behind the line, never looks at any WRs, just an instant dump. Designed for the dump 7 yards backwards. Follows that up with another run and holding penalty.

2nd and 21, calls a 5 yard out to Diggs. 3rd and 15, calls a run up the middle. Great Puntball Charlie Brown.

THis team is going no where with this coach. Nowhere this season, any season. Not a competitive bone in him. Not a vision in either eye. No clue about coaching for the longterm of the season, building an identity and sticking with it, holding onto their momentum, nothing. Just junk. Nobody wants to see this team on National TV, certainly not me anymore.

[Worm Guts]

The offensive line, specifically Elflein,has been terrible but still zero punts.

[hermes]

good for adrian, i'm happy for him

[hermes]

skol!

thursday games are always weird, not clean but got the job done and got a win

[Jedzz]

The offensive line, specifically Elflein,has been terrible but still zero punts.

Punts, fieldgoals. What's the difference. Aganst an average team those are all punt drives. Nobody watches football for 5 field goal games except Zimmer. He aims for them, dreams about them.

[Jedzz]

skol!

thursday games are always weird, not clean but got the job done and got a win

It was lame and you know it. The only team that would play the Redskins conservative and scared like that. Vikings. 38 runs to 23 passes, and at least 10 of those passes were dumps and screens behind the line. Cook gets the second most passing targets. I like him as a back but he's not Marshal Faulk. This is the same gameplan that lost to Bears and Pack. Any average teams smokes them if they do this. Team refuses to feature any WR not named Diggs/Thielen. Thielen's out so this becomes the game plan? Come off it.

Every other good team jumps down the redskins throat and builds on their confidence. The Vikings tank themselves on purpose. 4 field goals. Zero passing touchdowns. 5 whole completed drives. Is this the Teddy offensive from 2015? Teaching themselves how to struggle to score in the redzone?

At least you won't have to hear Diggs crying about it. He got his targets, and his second fumble. That should keep his head in check some. Zimmer keeps him happy but reverted to the game plan of day 1. Precious. Hey, at least Zimmer doesn't have to answer questions about interceptions this week. He should be all smiles. Everyone's happy. Except the league's Thursday night ratings.

9 or 10 wins max.

[Worm Guts]

I don’t think conservative was the game plan. It was response to the poor performance of the offensive line, combined with the circumstances of the game. They were moving the ball and had the lead the entire game. I think not having Thielen hurt them in the red zone.
The offensive line needs be better and the secondary needs to be better, but a win is a win. They get a chance to be better next week.

[Jedzz]

I don’t think conservative was the game plan. It was response to the poor performance of the offensive line, combined with the circumstances of the game. They were moving the ball and had the lead the entire game. I think not having Thielen hurt them in the red zone.
The offensive line needs be better and the secondary needs to be better, but a win is a win. They get a chance to be better next week.

And I say you are 100% wrong. This is repeating Zimmer's history of coaching here and people keep rationalizing this mess. Same fans berating the Oline and team's mistakes in the Bears and Pack games were calling them fantastic in the wins, and now dogging them again in this one. They, and you, never admitting why the fantastic difference in outcomes occurs. Just stop the excuses and stop blaming the players. Circumstances...what circumstances here are real? The circumstances are created by Zimmers decisions entirely. The Line struggling with the all of a sudden insanely powerful Redskins defense is entirely the creation of Mike Zimmers choices to hinder the play calling. 100%.

This wasn't even a game of a big early lead that he backs off of and doesn't run the score up on. No.

Play calling is 100% all of it. Using 4 downs to setup a fieldgoal drive after drive is all of it. Never trying to build a lead is all of it. Loving the situation of a close game with a small lead is all of it. That is Zimmer football and every season of his control is about this. What coach in his right mind finds out his team is an offensive juggernaut, and then against one of the worst opponents he'll meet in a season he dials everything back except targets for the one WR who he knows will make these facts public if he doesn't get his.

Stop rationalizing trash choices and answer the questions I pose. How does this teach his football team to finish drives with touchdowns? How is this helping the team build to a high point in December? The players know the state of the Redskins team, so how does this build confidence in his players? How does this instill a muscle mind memory of playing at their top output so they are ready for all the remaining opponents that will demand their best every drive?

Do you think the Oline likes being called terrible by the league after games like this? Do you think it helps to knock their confidence by making their job harder?

This team is doomed to repeat his failures and repeat the exact same struggles. I'm done discussing this with cheerleaders and anybody willing to condone this and rationalize this further. This is one of those rare situations where a coach should be fired directly following a win. He absolutely was wrong to make his team play like this yet again. Nobody running this team cares about superbowls or creating a team that can win in the playoffs at all. It's only about surviving the next week of reporters questions and getting just enough wins to keep your big paychecks steaming in. It's one big steaming pile of

[hermes]

skol!

thursday games are always weird, not clean but got the job done and got a win

It was lame and you know it. The only team that would play the Redskins conservative and scared like that. Vikings. 38 runs to 23 passes, and at least 10 of those passes were dumps and screens behind the line. Cook gets the second most passing targets. I like him as a back but he's not Marshal Faulk. This is the same gameplan that lost to Bears and Pack. Any average teams smokes them if they do this. Team refuses to feature any WR not named Diggs/Thielen. Thielen's out so this becomes the game plan? Come off it.

Every other good team jumps down the redskins throat and builds on their confidence. The Vikings tank themselves on purpose. 4 field goals. Zero passing touchdowns. 5 whole completed drives. Is this the Teddy offensive from 2015? Teaching themselves how to struggle to score in the redzone?

At least you won't have to hear Diggs crying about it. He got his targets, and his second fumble. That should keep his head in check some. Zimmer keeps him happy but reverted to the game plan of day 1. Precious. Hey, at least Zimmer doesn't have to answer questions about interceptions this week. He should be all smiles. Everyone's happy. Except the league's Thursday night ratings.

9 or 10 wins max.

what is the issue with throwing screens to cook? its getting the ball to one of the most dynamic players in the league right now in space with room to run

there always seems to be a high level of success when we run it, gets a bunch of yards all the time

[hermes]

I don’t think conservative was the game plan. It was response to the poor performance of the offensive line, combined with the circumstances of the game. They were moving the ball and had the lead the entire game. I think not having Thielen hurt them in the red zone.
The offensive line needs be better and the secondary needs to be better, but a win is a win. They get a chance to be better next week.

yeah a couple early sacks and it was clear the pass protection wasn't going to be there and we should be applauding stefanski and co for recognizing it and making appropriate changes so they didn't get cousins killed. without changing the gameplan on the fly we probably have a repeat of the bears game (especially if keenum doesn't get hurt)

[hermes]

I don’t think conservative was the game plan. It was response to the poor performance of the offensive line, combined with the circumstances of the game. They were moving the ball and had the lead the entire game. I think not having Thielen hurt them in the red zone.
The offensive line needs be better and the secondary needs to be better, but a win is a win. They get a chance to be better next week.

And I say you are 100% wrong. This is repeating Zimmer's history of coaching here and people keep rationalizing this mess. Same fans berating the Oline and team's mistakes in the Bears and Pack games were calling them fantastic in the wins, and now dogging them again in this one. They, and you, never admitting why the fantastic difference in outcomes occurs. Just stop the excuses and stop blaming the players. Circumstances...what circumstances here are real? The circumstances are created by Zimmers decisions entirely. The Line struggling with the all of a sudden insanely powerful Redskins defense is entirely the creation of Mike Zimmers choices to hinder the play calling. 100%.

This wasn't even a game of a big early lead that he backs off of and doesn't run the score up on. No.

Play calling is 100% all of it. Using 4 downs to setup a fieldgoal drive after drive is all of it. Never trying to build a lead is all of it. Loving the situation of a close game with a small lead is all of it. That is Zimmer football and every season of his control is about this. What coach in his right mind finds out his team is an offensive juggernaut, and then against one of the worst opponents he'll meet in a season he dials everything back except targets for the one WR who he knows will make these facts public if he doesn't get his.

Stop rationalizing trash choices and answer the questions I pose. How does this teach his football team to finish drives with touchdowns? How is this helping the team build to a high point in December? The players know the state of the Redskins team, so how does this build confidence in his players? How does this instill a muscle mind memory of playing at their top output so they are ready for all the remaining opponents that will demand their best every drive?

Do you think the Oline likes being called terrible by the league after games like this? Do you think it helps to knock their confidence by making their job harder?

This team is doomed to repeat his failures and repeat the exact same struggles. I'm done discussing this with cheerleaders and anybody willing to condone this and rationalize this further. This is one of those rare situations where a coach should be fired directly following a win. He absolutely was wrong to make his team play like this yet again. Nobody running this team cares about superbowls or creating a team that can win in the playoffs at all. It's only about surviving the next week of reporters questions and getting just enough wins to keep your big paychecks steaming in. It's one big steaming pile of

its not reasonable to expect any team to score 42 points a game, play perfect football and give 100% effort every time out. it just isn't. these are human beings, not robots we can't set our watch to expect a certain result each time - otherwise what would be the point?

sometimes people are going to have off-days, some games teams are going to have to grind out ugly wins and you just have to do enough to get by. its not always going to be pretty but all the wins count the same

[Jedzz]

what is the issue with throwing screens to cook? its getting the ball to one of the most dynamic players in the league right now in space with room to run

there always seems to be a high level of success when we run it, gets a bunch of yards all the time

Not all the time. As evidenced by 4 field goals against one of the worst teams of the league this season. Obviously, they are not getting anywhere they want to with these plays. But it's not just the passes to him. It's those added to all the others behind the line of scrimmage. Passes to the TEs back there. They aren't even at the line, they are 5 to 7 yards back. That's 5 to 7 yards they have to make up just to get to the line. Space? They don't need that kind of space. These are mistakes and then using so much of it that allows defenses to sit in a small area as a group.

A screen can be had that is still a forward target. The Vikings just did it in last weeks game when everything was forward. This game, everything is backwards. Do you understand yet?

[Worm Guts]

Three of the FGs were caused by a sack and two holding penalties. Considering the Vikings had 5 holding penalties, it’s a minor miracle to go the entire game without a punt.

[Jedzz]

its not reasonable to expect any team to score 42 points a game, play perfect football and give 100% effort every time out. it just isn't. these are human beings, not robots we can't set our watch to expect a certain result each time - otherwise what would be the point?

sometimes people are going to have off-days, some games teams are going to have to grind out ugly wins and you just have to do enough to get by. its not always going to be pretty but all the wins count the same

Give it a rest with this meaningless stories and excuses.

If they called the same plays they did the week prior, the team would have easily put up 28-30 pts on the redskins. They were 1-6 for huge reasons. 42 points? Who expects that every game? Nice pie in the sky number to throw out there to suggest I'm demanding.

They did not call the same kinds of plays. Plain and simple. Stop making excuses.

We can go back to the Bears and Pack games and see the same garbage. Go to the wins and see how completely different it is. This has been a constant of Zimmer seasons since he got here.

[Jedzz]

Three of the FGs were caused by a sack and two holding penalties. Considering the Vikings had 5 holding penalties, it’s a minor miracle to go the entire game without a punt.

Now it's a miracle. You two are the miracles.

Uh uh, no. I'm not discussing football with cheerleaders and robot excuse makers.