OT: Official KP Thread

[dakomish23]

His hype has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He's a great player already and the sky's the limit.

That's why I wanted him. IDGAF if he's martian. Get great players on this roster.

He's a great player no doubt but the generational talent stuff is all Euro hype

Jokic is probably more of a generational talent than Doncic is and that's no knock on Doncic

Yeah but Doncic is a 2nd year player. So I dont think comparing him to Jokic right now is 100% fair. But was Jokic as a year 2 player as good as Luka is now? I dislike the Mavs but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think Luka was trending towards greatness.

[3toheadmelo]

KP took a back seat so he's going to have less gaudy numbers.

Randle is far and away the #1 option on this team.

Him, like KP, take a backseat to Luka.

When KP was the first option on the Knicks he literally put up the same numbers. Bad effiency and 20+ points with poor rebounding. With more usage his effiency will drop even more. Randle is a more rounded player than him which is why he’s putting up numbers like this.

Luka is irrelevant to this.

KP 1st game as the #1 option at the age of 22

31 Pts 12 rebs 1 ast 1 blk 11-25 FG 2-6 3PT 7-9 FT

Randle wouldn't put up the same numbers he did in our first game if he's the 2nd option.

Straight forward.

And the same ol KP played like ass after his hot start every year. Randle has been more consistent than him and that’s a fact. Go look at his monster numbers last year without AD. With AD he put up similar numbers as well and he was the third option. Don’t think it’s a stretch to say he can put up the same numbers with Luka.

Not sure why you’re even caping hard for KP. Dude did us dirty and acted like a diva.

[dakomish23]

When KP was the first option on the Knicks he literally put up the same numbers. Bad effiency and 20+ points with poor rebounding. With more usage his effiency will drop even more. Randle is a more rounded player than him which is why he’s putting up numbers like this.

Luka is irrelevant to this.

KP 1st game as the #1 option at the age of 22

31 Pts 12 rebs 1 ast 1 blk 11-25 FG 2-6 3PT 7-9 FT

Randle wouldn't put up the same numbers he did in our first game if he's the 2nd option.

Straight forward.

And the same ol KP played like ass after his hot start every year. Randle has been more consistent than him and that’s a fact. Go look at his monster numbers last year without AD. With AD he put up similar numbers as well and he was the third option. Don’t think it’s a stretch to say he can put up the same numbers with Luka.

Not sure why you’re even caping hard for KP. Dude did us dirty and acted like a diva.

Who here besides you has been caping for Randle for years? Me. I'm not trying to downplay how good Randle is or has been. I'm saying that guys take a hit when they go from #1 to from #2. So comparing numbers of a #2 option to a #1 option isn't apples to apples.

I don't blame KP for wanting out. They had a chance to set up something awesome and Mills f'd it up big time.

Hope they don't do the same to RJB.

[3toheadmelo]

KP 1st game as the #1 option at the age of 22

31 Pts 12 rebs 1 ast 1 blk 11-25 FG 2-6 3PT 7-9 FT

Randle wouldn't put up the same numbers he did in our first game if he's the 2nd option.

Straight forward.

And the same ol KP played like ass after his hot start every year. Randle has been more consistent than him and that’s a fact. Go look at his monster numbers last year without AD. With AD he put up similar numbers as well and he was the third option. Don’t think it’s a stretch to say he can put up the same numbers with Luka.

Not sure why you’re even caping hard for KP. Dude did us dirty and acted like a diva.

Who here besides you has been caping for Randle for years? Me. I'm not trying to downplay how good Randle is or has been. I'm saying that guys take a hit when they go from #1 to from #2. So comparing numbers of a #2 option to a #1 option isn't apples to apples.

I don't blame KP for wanting out. They had a chance to set up something awesome and Mills f'd it up big time.

Hope they don't do the same to RJB.

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

[dakomish23]

And the same ol KP played like ass after his hot start every year. Randle has been more consistent than him and that’s a fact. Go look at his monster numbers last year without AD. With AD he put up similar numbers as well and he was the third option. Don’t think it’s a stretch to say he can put up the same numbers with Luka.

Not sure why you’re even caping hard for KP. Dude did us dirty and acted like a diva.

Who here besides you has been caping for Randle for years? Me. I'm not trying to downplay how good Randle is or has been. I'm saying that guys take a hit when they go from #1 to from #2. So comparing numbers of a #2 option to a #1 option isn't apples to apples.

I don't blame KP for wanting out. They had a chance to set up something awesome and Mills f'd it up big time.

Hope they don't do the same to RJB.

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

[K_ick_God]

Fascinating question whether Atlanta would take Doncic if they had to do it over. They got a good one and it's not a blowout if Trae elevates again this year, as he did last half of his rookie season. But my guess is that they take Doncic if we held a redraft.

[3toheadmelo]

Who here besides you has been caping for Randle for years? Me. I'm not trying to downplay how good Randle is or has been. I'm saying that guys take a hit when they go from #1 to from #2. So comparing numbers of a #2 option to a #1 option isn't apples to apples.

I don't blame KP for wanting out. They had a chance to set up something awesome and Mills f'd it up big time.

Hope they don't do the same to RJB.

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

Not sure how the scheme would be different. Luka would still be doing his thing and so will Randle. Good players adjust. If the usage is still 25 with Luka then that only confirms that Randle would’ve been putting up the same numbers there. But agree to disagree here.

If it wasn’t for KPs hot stretch we would’ve gotten one of Ayton, Luka or Trae. Knicks were terrible when he cooled down and even worse when he got hurt. Not much we could’ve done there.

[K_ick_God]

Who here besides you has been caping for Randle for years? Me. I'm not trying to downplay how good Randle is or has been. I'm saying that guys take a hit when they go from #1 to from #2. So comparing numbers of a #2 option to a #1 option isn't apples to apples.

I don't blame KP for wanting out. They had a chance to set up something awesome and Mills f'd it up big time.

Hope they don't do the same to RJB.

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

Little early to say that. KP needs to stay consistent and healthy. He was great early last year and then had a lot of games where he floated. Doncic helps but I think it's still not that hard to take KP out of the game with physical D. I'm not sure that changes a lot, except that Luka can make people pay.

I remember one game in Toronto where KP was really bad just because they were overplaying him.

D is KP's key. I was impressed with his finishing around the basket, seems he's making strides there which would be big. He'd be great if he could become automatic from somewhere or hit 38% from 3 consistently. He really didn't do that last year. That was his number but it was highly skewed from the first few games. After that he dipped to average.

[dakomish23]

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

Not sure how the scheme would be different. Luka would still be doing his thing and so will Randle. Good players adjust. If the usage is still 25 with Luka then that only confirms that Randle would’ve been putting up the same numbers there. But agree to disagree here.

If it wasn’t for KPs hot stretch we would’ve gotten one of Ayton, Luka or Trae. Knicks were terrible when he cooled down and even worse when he got hurt. Not much we could’ve done there.

Randle would be the sole go to guy when Luka is out. His usage would be through the roof.

KP being hot wasn’t the sole reason for that winning. The vets helped fill in the gaps. Nobody does it by themselves.

[dakomish23]

Randle would’ve put up the same or similar numbers as a #2 option. He’s had a bunch of a games like that.

Your opinion doesn’t lineup with the stats. Randles usage vs the Spurs was 25%. KP’s is 33% which is higher than when he was even a first option on the Knicks. So actually if Randle was on the Mavs his numbers would’ve been even stronger with KPs usage.

The Knicks just started a rebuild when Melo got traded. It’s common sense for him to be patient and let us build through the draft. He could’ve been playing with RJ right now but he clearly had his own personal issues so whatever. Randle is on the same level as him as a player and if he keeps this up he’s no doubt better than him so I’m not even mad about trading him.

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

Little early to say that. KP needs to stay consistent and healthy. He was great early last year and then had a lot of games where he floated. Doncic helps but I think it's still not that hard to take KP out of the game with physical D. I'm not sure that changes a lot, except that Luka can make people pay.

I remember one game in Toronto where KP was really bad just because they were overplaying him.

D is KP's key. I was impressed with his finishing around the basket, seems he's making strides there which would be big. He'd be great if he could become automatic from somewhere or hit 38% from 3 consistently. He really didn't do that last year. That was his number but it was highly skewed from the first few games. After that he dipped to average.

Little early to say what?

[god shammgod]

Fascinating question whether Atlanta would take Doncic if they had to do it over. They got a good one and it's not a blowout if Trae elevates again this year, as he did last half of his rookie season. But my guess is that they take Doncic if we held a redraft.

i don't know, trae might really end up the next curry or better. curry went to college for 3 years, so trae's on a faster track then him. i think he's a better passer. he gets his efficiency up and there's not much difference. he might be an all-star this year.

[K_ick_God]

Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

KP played 29 mins.

7 of those minutes were without Luka. During those 7 minutes, his USG was 48%

http://nbawowy.addmorefunds.com/c4l95h5ybbn

The 22 mins he was with Luka, his USG was 25%

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy

Makes sense to me when they don't have a legitimate #3 guy. Randle's USG would be similar in the same situation. It's the scheme.

We didn't want to build through the draft. We went all in on winning now. We made that dumbass signing. We played the vets over the kids. We got useless Ws that pushed us down in a draft. Last year was the first year since 14-15 that we focused on the kids and lived with the results.

At least now we got something but we could have had everything.

Little early to say that. KP needs to stay consistent and healthy. He was great early last year and then had a lot of games where he floated. Doncic helps but I think it's still not that hard to take KP out of the game with physical D. I'm not sure that changes a lot, except that Luka can make people pay.

I remember one game in Toronto where KP was really bad just because they were overplaying him.

D is KP's key. I was impressed with his finishing around the basket, seems he's making strides there which would be big. He'd be great if he could become automatic from somewhere or hit 38% from 3 consistently. He really didn't do that last year. That was his number but it was highly skewed from the first few games. After that he dipped to average.

Little early to say what?

That KP is gonna even have a really good year.

[malik959]

First game:
Doncic and KP totaled 57pts/13rb/5as

Randle and RJ 46pts/16rb/8as

Of course we went up against the tougher opponent

[Slicin N Dicin]

Hey guess what:

Spoiler:

KP still a lil asss biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch

[dakomish23]

Little early to say that. KP needs to stay consistent and healthy. He was great early last year and then had a lot of games where he floated. Doncic helps but I think it's still not that hard to take KP out of the game with physical D. I'm not sure that changes a lot, except that Luka can make people pay.

I remember one game in Toronto where KP was really bad just because they were overplaying him.

D is KP's key. I was impressed with his finishing around the basket, seems he's making strides there which would be big. He'd be great if he could become automatic from somewhere or hit 38% from 3 consistently. He really didn't do that last year. That was his number but it was highly skewed from the first few games. After that he dipped to average.

Little early to say what?

That KP is gonna even have a really good year.

I agree with that. I'm surprised his first game went as good as it did

[RHODEY]

He's a great player no doubt but the generational talent stuff is all Euro hype

Jokic is probably more of a generational talent than Doncic is and that's no knock on Doncic

Yeah but Doncic is a 2nd year player. So I dont think comparing him to Jokic right now is 100% fair. But was Jokic as a year 2 player as good as Luka is now? I dislike the Mavs but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think Luka was trending towards greatness.

You need to come over to the light Darth.

[RHODEY]

First game:
Doncic and KP totaled 57pts/13rb/5as

Randle and RJ 46pts/16rb/8as

Of course we went up against the tougher opponent

and RJ is a rook.

[K_ick_God]

Fascinating question whether Atlanta would take Doncic if they had to do it over. They got a good one and it's not a blowout if Trae elevates again this year, as he did last half of his rookie season. But my guess is that they take Doncic if we held a redraft.

i don't know, trae might really end up the next curry or better. curry went to college for 3 years, so trae's on a faster track then him. i think he's a better passer. he gets his efficiency up and there's not much difference. he might be an all-star this year.

Always easier to love the guy you have but in this case, since Doncic is still more rare as a pretty big and multitalented playmaker/scorer ... though agreed that Trae is definitely taking off and special ... I don't know that you could knock Luka out of the top spot in the draft when push came to shove.

We'll never know. But I think we agree that Trae is very far from a consolation prize.

[Oscirus]

Fascinating question whether Atlanta would take Doncic if they had to do it over. They got a good one and it's not a blowout if Trae elevates again this year, as he did last half of his rookie season. But my guess is that they take Doncic if we held a redraft.

i don't know, trae might really end up the next curry or better. curry went to college for 3 years, so trae's on a faster track then him. i think he's a better passer. he gets his efficiency up and there's not much difference. he might be an all-star this year.

Always easier to love the guy you have but in this case, since Doncic is still more rare as a pretty big and multitalented playmaker/scorer ... though agreed that Trae is definitely taking off and special ... I don't know that you could knock Luka out of the top spot in the draft when push came to shove.

We'll never know. But I think we agree that Trae is very far from a consolation prize.

Not just trae but another first rounder which they used to raise their pick to get d andre hunter. Straight up, sure Donic all the way but Hunter should tilt it atlantas way.

[K_ick_God]

i don't know, trae might really end up the next curry or better. curry went to college for 3 years, so trae's on a faster track then him. i think he's a better passer. he gets his efficiency up and there's not much difference. he might be an all-star this year.

Always easier to love the guy you have but in this case, since Doncic is still more rare as a pretty big and multitalented playmaker/scorer ... though agreed that Trae is definitely taking off and special ... I don't know that you could knock Luka out of the top spot in the draft when push came to shove.

We'll never know. But I think we agree that Trae is very far from a consolation prize.

Not just trae but another first rounder which they used to raise their pick to get d andre hunter. Straight up, sure Donic all the way but Hunter should tilt it atlantas way.

Yes. The pick is big. So it's not a real/fair question and therefore you guys may be right ultimately in the real world, that they won the trade. And last I checked the real world is more important.