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j-ragg · Post #221 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:42 pm

I thought DSJ could be good even if not an above avg 3 point shooter but yeah... Knicks are the last place to go to revive your career.

Xatticus · Post #222 » by **Xatticus** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:12 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:I'm a bit jealous, that the Bulls maybe drafted there 3rd 20ppg scorer. He doesnt really look like a PG, more a combo guard but still.

If Hachimura ever gets a 3pt shot, he is a legit 22-25ppg scorer in the future.

In other news, half of this boards favorite draft pick DSJ, continuous his journey to China, in record fashion. 1.5 ppg with 12,5 % shooting and playing 8 mpg behind Elf He even undercuts my low expections for him by far

Knicks man... they should be banned from NBA.

Scott perry and Fizdale are two biggest frauds in sports. Well i called it for Fizdale year and half ago when Lebron "cried " about him and tried to play race card.

I'm not crazy ( or stupid or smart or whatever ) enough to understand what was plan for Knicks 2019-20 season.
Team that has Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Knox, Smith , Ntkilina added... overhyped, overrated, name over contribution players like:

Elfrid Payton, 25 years old proven non starter quality
Bobby Portis , best known for punching his teammate, also low BBIQ trash
Randle, typical example of player that people only know about because he was on Lakers
Morris- nutcase

Maybe they stock-pile stat padding garbage in hopes that other GMs get clueless enough to bite into inflated stats of garbage above for a trade ? Well Rob Pelinka is Gm after all , so there is some validity in that strategy i guess.

But i think they are so terrible at their jobs that they actually belived that Payton, Portis, Randle, Gibson and Morris will win them games. They didn't even care that 4 out of 9 men players in rotation play same position or that they don't have backup C or that putting Morris and Randle in same lineup will throw Knox out of starting 5.

Vegas predicting 32 wins probably means Dolan bribed somebody there. And given how much of scumbage he is, that's probably what actually happend.

As for Ntklina, Smith, Knox, Barrett... they should have done Kobe and Rubio thing, when they were ready to not play in nba at all just to avoid playing for current team.

I would desribe Knicks organisation like this: people who click on "meet local milfs in your area".

Fizdale is a really bad coach. Like maybe worse than Vogel (funny to see some Lakers fans already starting to complain about him and his rotations). I think the Knicks just had their minds set on being competitive this year but once they whiffed on Kyrie/KD they panicked and signed a bunch of middle of the road veterans.

As far as their young core goes, I'm especially not a Knox or Frank fan. All fanbases pump up their young players, but the Knicks fans do it to another level and swore that Frank would be good after his play in Fifa but he still can't crack the rotation. Rj will be a fine NBA player. I think Winslow is a good comp for him.

What a disappointment DSJ has been. I mean he is literally out of an NBA rotation right now. I really don't know what his future holds.

Eh... they struck out on their high-priority targets, but they still had to spend some money. They just took some fliers on short-term deals. If they work out, good for them. If they don't, there is really nothing lost. They will go into free agency with a ton of cap space a couple summers from now and try again.

PrimeThyme · Post #223 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:14 pm

j-ragg wrote:I thought DSJ could be good even if not an above avg 3 point shooter but yeah... Knicks are the last place to go to revive your career.

I always thought there were two ways his career could go. I thought he had the potential to have a Westbrooke type trajectory and really excel as a playmaker and finisher around the basket and just affect all areas of the game at a high level with his elite athleticism or I thought he had a path as a career 6th man.

I think it's clear now that he just doesn't have the offensive IQ and court vision that Westbrooke did. His playmaking is lacking, and he doesn't do any one thing on offense all that well. && he's also a very poor defender. Coming out of college I know I and others tried to write off his lack of motor as him just playing on a bad NC state team and lacking effort, but it has translated to the next level as well. Those effort questions followed him all the way through college, and that lack of alpha mentality and lack of desire to give maximized effort on both ends is really the biggest thing that separates him from a guy like Russell.

I'm not really sure where his career goes from here. I still think he can be an effective player coming off the bench for some team in this league, or maybe a team can take a flyer on him and get the most out of him but I'm not sure at this point. In my opinion, he's definitely not the player a lot of us thought he would be and I came to that realization during his first season.

pepe1991 · Post #224 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:16 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:I'm a bit jealous, that the Bulls maybe drafted there 3rd 20ppg scorer. He doesnt really look like a PG, more a combo guard but still.

If Hachimura ever gets a 3pt shot, he is a legit 22-25ppg scorer in the future.

In other news, half of this boards favorite draft pick DSJ, continuous his journey to China, in record fashion. 1.5 ppg with 12,5 % shooting and playing 8 mpg behind Elf He even undercuts my low expections for him by far

Knicks man... they should be banned from NBA.

Scott perry and Fizdale are two biggest frauds in sports. Well i called it for Fizdale year and half ago when Lebron "cried " about him and tried to play race card.

I'm not crazy ( or stupid or smart or whatever ) enough to understand what was plan for Knicks 2019-20 season.
Team that has Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Knox, Smith , Ntkilina added... overhyped, overrated, name over contribution players like:

Elfrid Payton, 25 years old proven non starter quality
Bobby Portis , best known for punching his teammate, also low BBIQ trash
Randle, typical example of player that people only know about because he was on Lakers
Morris- nutcase

Maybe they stock-pile stat padding garbage in hopes that other GMs get clueless enough to bite into inflated stats of garbage above for a trade ? Well Rob Pelinka is Gm after all , so there is some validity in that strategy i guess.

But i think they are so terrible at their jobs that they actually belived that Payton, Portis, Randle, Gibson and Morris will win them games. They didn't even care that 4 out of 9 men players in rotation play same position or that they don't have backup C or that putting Morris and Randle in same lineup will throw Knox out of starting 5.

Vegas predicting 32 wins probably means Dolan bribed somebody there. And given how much of scumbage he is, that's probably what actually happend.

As for Ntklina, Smith, Knox, Barrett... they should have done Kobe and Rubio thing, when they were ready to not play in nba at all just to avoid playing for current team.

I would desribe Knicks organisation like this: people who click on "meet local milfs in your area".

Fizdale is a really bad coach. Like maybe worse than Vogel (funny to see some Lakers fans already starting to complain about him and his rotations). I think the Knicks just had their minds set on being competitive this year but once they whiffed on Kyrie/KD they panicked and signed a bunch of middle of the road veterans.

As far as their young core goes, I'm especially not a Knox or Frank fan. All fanbases pump up their young players, but the Knicks fans do it to another level and swore that Frank would be good after his play in Fifa but he still can't crack the rotation. Rj will be a fine NBA player. I think Winslow is a good comp for him.

What a disappointment DSJ has been. I mean he is literally out of an NBA rotation right now. I really don't know what his future holds.

Knox in my books is worst version of Wiggins and I ride "wiggins bust" bandwagon since 2016.
Smith looks terrible. I'm close to give up any hope for him. Maybe if he somehow gets to well coached team like Bucks or Heat. Same for Frank. But Knicks are graveyard for young players.

I still can't find logical reason to sign 4 PFs

j-ragg · Post #225 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:22 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Knicks man... they should be banned from NBA.

Scott perry and Fizdale are two biggest frauds in sports. Well i called it for Fizdale year and half ago when Lebron "cried " about him and tried to play race card.

I'm not crazy ( or stupid or smart or whatever ) enough to understand what was plan for Knicks 2019-20 season.
Team that has Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Knox, Smith , Ntkilina added... overhyped, overrated, name over contribution players like:

Elfrid Payton, 25 years old proven non starter quality
Bobby Portis , best known for punching his teammate, also low BBIQ trash
Randle, typical example of player that people only know about because he was on Lakers
Morris- nutcase

Maybe they stock-pile stat padding garbage in hopes that other GMs get clueless enough to bite into inflated stats of garbage above for a trade ? Well Rob Pelinka is Gm after all , so there is some validity in that strategy i guess.

But i think they are so terrible at their jobs that they actually belived that Payton, Portis, Randle, Gibson and Morris will win them games. They didn't even care that 4 out of 9 men players in rotation play same position or that they don't have backup C or that putting Morris and Randle in same lineup will throw Knox out of starting 5.

Vegas predicting 32 wins probably means Dolan bribed somebody there. And given how much of scumbage he is, that's probably what actually happend.

As for Ntklina, Smith, Knox, Barrett... they should have done Kobe and Rubio thing, when they were ready to not play in nba at all just to avoid playing for current team.

I would desribe Knicks organisation like this: people who click on "meet local milfs in your area".

Fizdale is a really bad coach. Like maybe worse than Vogel (funny to see some Lakers fans already starting to complain about him and his rotations). I think the Knicks just had their minds set on being competitive this year but once they whiffed on Kyrie/KD they panicked and signed a bunch of middle of the road veterans.

As far as their young core goes, I'm especially not a Knox or Frank fan. All fanbases pump up their young players, but the Knicks fans do it to another level and swore that Frank would be good after his play in Fifa but he still can't crack the rotation. Rj will be a fine NBA player. I think Winslow is a good comp for him.

What a disappointment DSJ has been. I mean he is literally out of an NBA rotation right now. I really don't know what his future holds.

Knox in my books is worst version of Wiggins and I ride "wiggins bust" bandwagon since 2016.
Smith looks terrible. I'm close to give up any hope for him. Maybe if he somehow gets to well coached team like Bucks or Heat. Same for Frank. But Knicks are graveyard for young players.

I still can't find logical reason to sign 4 PFs

Their offseason was weird for sure. I'm somewhat a believer on Knox when he gets out of there. If nothing else he looks like he can be a catch & shoot specialist eventually who can guard both forward types. Maybe a Marvin Williams type career? That's probably optimistic at this point.

Not one to throw stones but what a weird offseason for the Knicks like you guys were saying. You miss out on marquees... okay it happens. But I feel like in an effort to try and show they weren't tanking, they signed all these front court vets just to take minutes from their front court future. Weird.

PrimeThyme · Post #226 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:57 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Knicks man... they should be banned from NBA.

Scott perry and Fizdale are two biggest frauds in sports. Well i called it for Fizdale year and half ago when Lebron "cried " about him and tried to play race card.

I'm not crazy ( or stupid or smart or whatever ) enough to understand what was plan for Knicks 2019-20 season.
Team that has Mitchell Robinson, Barrett, Knox, Smith , Ntkilina added... overhyped, overrated, name over contribution players like:

Elfrid Payton, 25 years old proven non starter quality
Bobby Portis , best known for punching his teammate, also low BBIQ trash
Randle, typical example of player that people only know about because he was on Lakers
Morris- nutcase

Maybe they stock-pile stat padding garbage in hopes that other GMs get clueless enough to bite into inflated stats of garbage above for a trade ? Well Rob Pelinka is Gm after all , so there is some validity in that strategy i guess.

But i think they are so terrible at their jobs that they actually belived that Payton, Portis, Randle, Gibson and Morris will win them games. They didn't even care that 4 out of 9 men players in rotation play same position or that they don't have backup C or that putting Morris and Randle in same lineup will throw Knox out of starting 5.

Vegas predicting 32 wins probably means Dolan bribed somebody there. And given how much of scumbage he is, that's probably what actually happend.

As for Ntklina, Smith, Knox, Barrett... they should have done Kobe and Rubio thing, when they were ready to not play in nba at all just to avoid playing for current team.

I would desribe Knicks organisation like this: people who click on "meet local milfs in your area".

Fizdale is a really bad coach. Like maybe worse than Vogel (funny to see some Lakers fans already starting to complain about him and his rotations). I think the Knicks just had their minds set on being competitive this year but once they whiffed on Kyrie/KD they panicked and signed a bunch of middle of the road veterans.

As far as their young core goes, I'm especially not a Knox or Frank fan. All fanbases pump up their young players, but the Knicks fans do it to another level and swore that Frank would be good after his play in Fifa but he still can't crack the rotation. Rj will be a fine NBA player. I think Winslow is a good comp for him.

What a disappointment DSJ has been. I mean he is literally out of an NBA rotation right now. I really don't know what his future holds.

Knox in my books is worst version of Wiggins and I ride "wiggins bust" bandwagon since 2016.
Smith looks terrible. I'm close to give up any hope for him. Maybe if he somehow gets to well coached team like Bucks or Heat. Same for Frank. But Knicks are graveyard for young players.

I still can't find logical reason to sign 4 PFs

He worked with another one of those "shot doctors" this summer that rebuilt his stroke from the ground up (sounds familiar) and this is what it looks like now..

Spoiler:

pepe1991 · Post #227 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:14 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:Fizdale is a really bad coach. Like maybe worse than Vogel (funny to see some Lakers fans already starting to complain about him and his rotations). I think the Knicks just had their minds set on being competitive this year but once they whiffed on Kyrie/KD they panicked and signed a bunch of middle of the road veterans.

As far as their young core goes, I'm especially not a Knox or Frank fan. All fanbases pump up their young players, but the Knicks fans do it to another level and swore that Frank would be good after his play in Fifa but he still can't crack the rotation. Rj will be a fine NBA player. I think Winslow is a good comp for him.

What a disappointment DSJ has been. I mean he is literally out of an NBA rotation right now. I really don't know what his future holds.

Knox in my books is worst version of Wiggins and I ride "wiggins bust" bandwagon since 2016.
Smith looks terrible. I'm close to give up any hope for him. Maybe if he somehow gets to well coached team like Bucks or Heat. Same for Frank. But Knicks are graveyard for young players.

I still can't find logical reason to sign 4 PFs

He worked with another one of those "shot doctors" this summer that rebuilt his stroke from the ground up (sounds familiar) and this is what it looks like now..

Spoiler:
https://streamable.com/e9jtb

Watch on YouTube

so much talent. So much talent that will be wasted.

RookieStar · Post #228 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:22 pm

MIA giving MIL the business without Butler... This despite a near trip-dubs from Gian. They are a scary team. I dunno if we are a better team than them at this point.

PrimeThyme · Post #229 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 pm

RookieStar wrote:MIA giving MIL the business without Butler... This despite a near trip-dubs from Gian. They are a scary team. I dunno if we are a better team than them at this point.

They're a better team than us. More depth and they have a top 15 player in Butler. They look like a clearcut top 4-5 seed in the East to me.

RookieStar · Post #230 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:41 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
RookieStar wrote:MIA giving MIL the business without Butler... This despite a near trip-dubs from Gian. They are a scary team. I dunno if we are a better team than them at this point.

They're a better team than us. More depth and they have a top 15 player in Butler. They look like a clearcut top 4-5 seed in the East to me.

The only advantage for us right now is Vuc especially now they don't have Whiteside with them. Vuc always feasts on those "smaller" C.

The other advantage would be IF Fultz blossoms and abuse their PGs. But otherwise, except for Tross.. thier bench also kills ours.

pepe1991 · Post #231 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:34 am

Harden 2-18 for 3 has to be some kind a record.
Two games into a season and Westbrook is flat out better player for them

pepe1991 · Post #232 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:44 am

Suns Clippers game is way more entertaining than it should be

PrimeThyme · Post #233 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:46 am

pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Knox in my books is worst version of Wiggins and I ride "wiggins bust" bandwagon since 2016.
Smith looks terrible. I'm close to give up any hope for him. Maybe if he somehow gets to well coached team like Bucks or Heat. Same for Frank. But Knicks are graveyard for young players.

I still can't find logical reason to sign 4 PFs

He worked with another one of those "shot doctors" this summer that rebuilt his stroke from the ground up (sounds familiar) and this is what it looks like now..

Spoiler:
https://streamable.com/e9jtb

Watch on YouTube

so much talent. So much talent that will be wasted.

Read on Twitter

It gets worse... I genuinely feel bad for him actually :-?

thelead · Post #234 » by **thelead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:48 am

pepe1991 wrote:Harden 2-18 for 3 has to be some kind a record.
Two games into a season and Westbrook is flat out better player for them

He always has been the better 'player'. That's not to say that Harden isn't great. Westbrook is just rare in that he is super talented AND plays like and energy bench player at all times. Harden would be the GOAT if he had Westbrook's motor.

thelead · Post #235 » by **thelead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:49 am

pepe1991 wrote:Suns Clippers game is way more entertaining than it should be

For the first time in a long time, almost the entire NBA is entertaining because there is much more talent balance than we've seen in a decade.

pepe1991 · Post #236 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:52 am

PrimeThyme wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:He worked with another one of those "shot doctors" this summer that rebuilt his stroke from the ground up (sounds familiar) and this is what it looks like now..

Spoiler:
https://streamable.com/e9jtb

Watch on YouTube

so much talent. So much talent that will be wasted.

Read on Twitter

It gets worse... I genuinely feel bad for him actually

Take a look at result :
82-76
, 29 sec left in 3rd quater

They lost 118- 95 :lol:

It's sad. For both him and Frank. Frank was 4th overall pick buried in rotation on a team that won 17 games. :banghead:

What was worst thing that wold happen if they played him? Lose 2 more games?

MagicFan101 · Post #237 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:55 am

thelead wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Harden 2-18 for 3 has to be some kind a record.
Two games into a season and Westbrook is flat out better player for them

He always has been the better 'player'. That's not to say that Harden isn't great. Westbrook is just rare in that he is super talented AND plays like and energy bench player at all times. Harden would be the GOAT if he had Westbrook's motor.

Ummm, no. His lack of effort on defense is more accepting the harsh reality that he doesn’t have the kind of body, speed or athleticism to do it. Having Harden’s motor wouldn’t change that and therefore he could never be anywhere close to the conversation of GOAT. Those who are did it on both ends of the floor.

thelead · Post #238 » by **thelead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:35 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Harden 2-18 for 3 has to be some kind a record.
Two games into a season and Westbrook is flat out better player for them

He always has been the better 'player'. That's not to say that Harden isn't great. Westbrook is just rare in that he is super talented AND plays like and energy bench player at all times. Harden would be the GOAT if he had Westbrook's motor.

Ummm, no. His lack of effort on defense is more accepting the harsh reality that he doesn’t have the kind of body, speed or athleticism to do it. Having Harden’s motor wouldn’t change that and therefore he could never be anywhere close to the conversation of GOAT. Those who are did it on both ends of the floor.

Harden has to be the laziest superstar I've ever seen. If he gave a damn, worked on his body, and played with Westbrooks drive/mentality, he would definitely be in the conversation for GOAT. He lacks athleticism because he doesn't have the motor/drive/mentality to give it his all. Look at his body today vs his rookie year. He's an MVP candidate while not giving a damn about his body.

pepe1991 · Post #239 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:31 am

thelead wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:He always has been the better 'player'. That's not to say that Harden isn't great. Westbrook is just rare in that he is super talented AND plays like and energy bench player at all times. Harden would be the GOAT if he had Westbrook's motor.

Ummm, no. His lack of effort on defense is more accepting the harsh reality that he doesn’t have the kind of body, speed or athleticism to do it. Having Harden’s motor wouldn’t change that and therefore he could never be anywhere close to the conversation of GOAT. Those who are did it on both ends of the floor.

Harden has to be the laziest superstar I've ever seen. If he gave a damn, worked on his body, and played with Westbrooks drive/mentality, he would definitely be in the conversation for GOAT. He lacks athleticism because he doesn't have the motor/drive/mentality to give it his all. Look at his body today vs his rookie year. He's an MVP candidate while not giving a damn about his body.

So you telling me that this isn't how peak performance looks like ?

MagicFan101 · Post #240 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:02 pm

thelead wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
thelead wrote:He always has been the better 'player'. That's not to say that Harden isn't great. Westbrook is just rare in that he is super talented AND plays like and energy bench player at all times. Harden would be the GOAT if he had Westbrook's motor.

Ummm, no. His lack of effort on defense is more accepting the harsh reality that he doesn’t have the kind of body, speed or athleticism to do it. Having Harden’s motor wouldn’t change that and therefore he could never be anywhere close to the conversation of GOAT. Those who are did it on both ends of the floor.

Harden has to be the laziest superstar I've ever seen. If he gave a damn, worked on his body, and played with Westbrooks drive/mentality, he would definitely be in the conversation for GOAT. He lacks athleticism because he doesn't have the motor/drive/mentality to give it his all. Look at his body today vs his rookie year. He's an MVP candidate while not giving a damn about his body.

The motor and killer instinct IN PAIR with the athleticism and talent gave other guys seats at the GOAT table.

A motor didn’t create their talent or athleticism.