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Post#141 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:09 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:So once again we see that post scorers (in this case Kanter) may be able to defend fellow post scorers (Embiid) even if they aren't able to defend much else. That makes sense if we assume that a lot of post scoring is battling for position for the chance to make a move.

Framing it that way leads to an offbeat analogy: A certain outstanding goal-line-only receiving-almost-only TE got the gig because he was so good at keeping opposing goal-line TEs from releasing into their routes. (Linebacker Mike Vrabel was so good as a very part-time TE that he set some obscure receiving records. But every reception in his entire career was a 1-yard touchdown pass.)


One area where his strength helps him, absolutely. One to one post defense is much easier for plodding or otherwise flawed bigs - Kanter, Greg Monroe, Okafor..
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Post#142 » by Mr Loggins » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:53 pm

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Going out on a limb saying someone likes Towns


Why does anybody read or post this guy's tweets?


I didn't know of him or his reputation, just saw and passed it along.


fair enough.

Though I'll say the first "scoop" is worth mentioning as well - that Ainge liked Anthony Davis as well.
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Post#143 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:33 pm

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Though I'll say the first "scoop" is worth mentioning as well - that Ainge liked Anthony Davis as well.


That's news????
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Post#144 » by crimsonandblue » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:16 am

Man, never thought I'd say this, but I miss Yabu on the bench. He was a terrible basketball player but a fantastic teammate.
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Post#145 » by cloverleaf » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:03 am

crimsonandblue wrote:Man, never thought I'd say this, but I miss Yabu on the bench. He was a terrible basketball player but a fantastic teammate.


They've got plenty of great teammates over on that bench now! (Bad vibes having a player who doesn't get down to a decent weight, years into his career.)
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Post#146 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:46 pm

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crimsonandblue wrote:Man, never thought I'd say this, but I miss Yabu on the bench. He was a terrible basketball player but a fantastic teammate.


They've got plenty of great teammates over on that bench now! (Bad vibes having a player who doesn't get down to a decent weight, years into his career.)


Yabusele made 61 field goals in his entire Celtics regular-season career, 21 of them 3-pters. He probably celebrated 100% of those with his bow-and-arrow move. He also had 12 steals and as many blocks, along with 105 rebounds.

He made 3 field goals in the postseason, all 2-pters.
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Post#147 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:51 pm

Here's something I don't like. The 5th clip in https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/10/26/20933449/12-takeaways-boston-celtics-literally-rebound-to-beat-toronto-raptors-jaylen-brown-jayson-tatum shows Grant's good defense on Lowry right at the end of Q1. But then Tatum winds up with the ball, and doesn't even try to hoist a 3/4 court heave before the buzzer sounds.
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Post#148 » by Roddy » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:14 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Here's something I don't like. The 5th clip in https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/10/26/20933449/12-takeaways-boston-celtics-literally-rebound-to-beat-toronto-raptors-jaylen-brown-jayson-tatum shows Grant's good defense on Lowry right at the end of Q1. But then Tatum winds up with the ball, and doesn't even try to hoist a 3/4 court heave before the buzzer sounds.


Really ? How is it a big deal ? Most players do it.
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Post#149 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:40 pm

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Fencer reregistered wrote:Here's something I don't like. The 5th clip in https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/10/26/20933449/12-takeaways-boston-celtics-literally-rebound-to-beat-toronto-raptors-jaylen-brown-jayson-tatum shows Grant's good defense on Lowry right at the end of Q1. But then Tatum winds up with the ball, and doesn't even try to hoist a 3/4 court heave before the buzzer sounds.


Really ? How is it a big deal ? Most players do it.


I like guys to choose winning over stats.

At least Jayson didn't pretend to shoot after the buzzer.
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Post#150 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:32 am

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Post#151 » by Darth Celtic » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 am

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Pretty sure that movie will be terrible, but this is a great thing. Can you imagine Kyrie doing this?
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Post#152 » by Tatumfor2 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:55 am

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Pretty sure that movie will be terrible, but this is a great thing. Can you imagine Kyrie doing this?


Maybe if he was in the movie...
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Post#153 » by KGboss » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:00 am

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Pretty sure that movie will be terrible, but this is a great thing. Can you imagine Kyrie doing this?


Maybe if he was in the movie...
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Post#154 » by itrsteve » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:34 am

While I’m completely over the Kyrie thing and hold no ill-will towards him as I think both parties are much better off now.

Something I was thinking about tonight: remember those games where he’d be out and things just seemed to work?

You didn’t want to jump to conclusions and say Boston was better without Kyrie, but something seemed different. The games seemed to hold a different energy

He’d then come back, torch a few VC’s to completely invalidate your previous eye test.

While a win is a win and we’re stupid to write off raw talent, something still felt off but you came to grips that his talent was a necessary means to the end.

Welp, I’ve seen enough games to know Kemba is the happy mix and fit that works for this particular team. We all assumed it, but now we’re seeing it.

As the season goes on, it’s really going to hit. The synergy of guys eating and getting regular touches night after night while having that guy who can provide an all-star lifeline impact is going to be huge.

Milwaukee will be a great early season litmus test to grow from.

Either way, I’m thrilled.
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Post#155 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:28 am

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Post#156 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:36 am

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Pretty sure that movie will be terrible, but this is a great thing. Can you imagine Kyrie doing this?


I don't think he did it for Uncle Drew.
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Post#157 » by sam_I_am » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:00 pm

itrsteve wrote:While I’m completely over the Kyrie thing and hold no ill-will towards him as I think both parties are much better off now.

Something I was thinking about tonight: remember those games where he’d be out and things just seemed to work?

You didn’t want to jump to conclusions and say Boston was better without Kyrie, but something seemed different. The games seemed to hold a different energy

He’d then come back, torch a few VC’s to completely invalidate your previous eye test.

While a win is a win and we’re stupid to write off raw talent, something still felt off but you came to grips that his talent was a necessary means to the end.

Welp, I’ve seen enough games to know Kemba is the happy mix and fit that works for this particular team. We all assumed it, but now we’re seeing it.

As the season goes on, it’s really going to hit. The synergy of guys eating and getting regular touches night after night while having that guy who can provide an all-star lifeline impact is going to be huge.

Milwaukee will be a great early season litmus test to grow from.

Either way, I’m thrilled.


It’s clear that Kemba is a major downgrade in talent from Kyrie. Kyrie is bigger, finishes at the rim through contact like no other at his size and is as good as there as at creating space for his own shot. Against Philly .... you could see how much harder it was without Kyrie on the offensive end.

And yet.....it’s just so much more fun to watch Kemba with these guys. They have to work a lot harder to get their shots .... and it requires a team effort to get those shots and the team seems happier to do it. Already this year our point leaders have been Hayward 25, Brown/Tatum 25 and Kemba 32. It’s going to be a fun season. Hopefully RW and GW make huge leaps by season end to overcome loss of Horford.
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Post#158 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:49 pm

Here's a dumb thing I'm tracking -- number of 25+ point games from players outside of our top scorer. I felt we've never really had legit scoring threats outside of IT, Irving, and to a smaller extent Jeff freaking Green in the Stevens era. This might be the first season where we have 3 or 4 guys who can score 25+ any given night.

2013-14:
• Green - 13
• Others - 16 (next highest: 5)

2014-15:
• Green - 7
• Others - 16 (next highest: 5)

2015-16:
• Thomas - 24
• Others - 12 (next highest: 5)

2016-17:
• Thomas - 55
• Others - 8 (next highest: 4)

2017-18:
• Irving - 28
• Others - 13 (next highest: 5)

2018-19:
• Irving - 31
• Others - 14 (next highest: 5)

Three games in, we have one 25+ point game each from Kemba, Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.
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Post#159 » by GoCeltics123 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:41 pm

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Post#160 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:17 pm

Just mapping out a Morey-esque trade path:

In December, trade Theis/Kanter to Miami for Kelly Olynyk

Follow up by trading Olynyk to Cleveland for Brandon Knight

Trade Brandon Knight to Phoenix for Tyler Johnson

Trade Tyler Johnson (with a 1st?) to Toronto for Serge Ibaka

Keep Ibaka, or trade him (with a 1st?) to OKC for Steven Adams

In every case but one you’re saving the teams money, and Knight for Olynyk helps Cleveland..

With a few very plausible moves, you turn 9+ million in annual salary into at least 19 (Tyler) and maybe more - getting around the stipulations about trading recently acquired players. Up until Johnson and maybe Ibaka we’d still be under the luxury tax threshold. It gets tricky when Brown’s extension hits, but if you re-up Ibaka and maybe Hayward for less, or Adams two years from now, it’s manageable even with Tatum’s extension - at minimum, it’s a way to turn Theis/Kanter into a larger trade chip.

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