Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[dckingsfan]

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

The real dilemma they have now is that what we are doing is working. They now have to argue a policy position that wouldn't save babies.

[daoneandonly]

I also realize that your biggest argument for abortion has been rape, even though rape constitutes 0.5% of abortions. Not 5%, not even a whole number, 0.5%. The baby or mother's life in danger makes up roughly 7%. So you refuse to speak about the 92.5% that have it because they refuse to be accountable for their actions.

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

How antiquated an dinaccurate is a ridiculous statement like this? "“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said."

[daoneandonly]

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

The real dilemma they have now is that what we are doing is working. They now have to argue a policy position that wouldn't save babies.

You keep saying this, working for who? Babies are still being decimated, whether the numbers are slightly smaller are irrelevant.

You know what's also working, the minimum wage being what it is, yet we have the ultra left wanting to double it at the expense of the general public

[dckingsfan]

I also realize that your biggest argument for abortion has been rape, even though rape constitutes 0.5% of abortions. Not 5%, not even a whole number, 0.5%. The baby or mother's life in danger makes up roughly 7%. So you refuse to speak about the 92.5% that have it because they refuse to be accountable for their actions.

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

How antiquated an dinaccurate is a ridiculous statement like this? "“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said."

Even though banning abortions would increase the number of abortions

[daoneandonly]

You realize abortions are the below when Roe v. Wade made it through the courts. So, there you have it. Blasting those that are trying to reduce abortions and only seeing through that (now) fractured lens.

Now let's start with the real reasons to boo Trump.

1) He has plunged us into renewed deficit spending
2) He has f'd up the economy
3) He has no coherent plan for foreign policy
4) He is literally a serial liar
5) He has no plan for climate change - he stupidly advocated for coal - which use is still being reduced in the US

At least most of the sane Rs I know concede this... so there is that. They join me in...

Boooooooooooooooooo

I also realize that your biggest argument for abortion has been rape, even though rape constitutes 0.5% of abortions. Not 5%, not even a whole number, 0.5%. The baby or mother's life in danger makes up roughly 7%. So you refuse to speak about the 92.5% that have it because they refuse to be accountable for their actions.

To your other points:
Unemployment rate 3.7%, I get more of my money in my paycheck since he took over (not even factoring in inflation or increases), so no, he didn't f up the economy
Every politician is a serial liar, name me one that is above this?

Fact check in bold. (two out of three rape victims do not report their assault & incest victims rarely disclose their abuse even to family doctors. Why? Because medical professionals are mandated to report the crime to authorities.)

But that isn't the reason we should ignore you on this. My biggest argument is now that abortions are falling quickly due to what we are doing. There is a plan that is working. When abortions were illegal the number of abortions was rising and mostly unreported. I want an actual plan that works - one that you don't have.

If you don't understand the economy don't try to derail the conversation with a meaningless blip. He threw a tax stimulus at the economy when it wasn't needed buried us in debt and didn't increase GDP. And if we are talking about unemployment - let see - where did that start? Oh snap - Trump taking credit for something he didn't start.

I see a graph where the rate is continuing to go down after Trump took over, so yeah, there's that. I never said he was perfect, heck far from it, but lets not act like Nats fans were booing him out of some outrage for the state of the economy. They boo him because 1, he's a jerk. and 2, his party tries to make people accountable and have to work to move up, the left want things given to them on silver platters while getting massages at the same time. All paid for by tax dollars mind you.

[dckingsfan]

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

The real dilemma they have now is that what we are doing is working. They now have to argue a policy position that wouldn't save babies.

You keep saying this, working for who? Babies are still being decimated, whether the numbers are slightly smaller are irrelevant.

So, you don't care if we are reducing the number of abortions unless you can punish someone? Maybe a picture works better. What to reduce the number of abortions - double down on what we are doing.

[daoneandonly]

If you could reduce abortions or ban them, which would you choose? Can't choose both.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

How antiquated an dinaccurate is a ridiculous statement like this? "“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said."

Even though banning abortions would increase the number of abortions

They'd be illegal in said scenario, so put in place proper, harsh punishments for those who do so and see if that trend continues.

[dckingsfan]

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

How antiquated an dinaccurate is a ridiculous statement like this? "“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said."

Even though banning abortions would increase the number of abortions

They'd be illegal in said scenario, so put in place proper, harsh punishments for those who do so and see if that trend continues.

All studies show that wouldn't happen - abortions would go back up. But if you want to argue from an emotional side - you just don't like them, fine.

But if you really cared about reducing abortions you would back the policies that are working. Not the ones that didn't work in the past.

I know - hard to swallow.

[daoneandonly]

Even though banning abortions would increase the number of abortions

They'd be illegal in said scenario, so put in place proper, harsh punishments for those who do so and see if that trend continues.

All studies show that wouldn't happen - abortions would go back up. But if you want to argue from an emotional side - you just don't like them, fine.

But if you really cared about reducing abortions you would back the policies that are working. Not the ones that didn't work in the past.

I know - hard to swallow.

So here's your argument essentially, just let people do what they want, they're going to do it anyway regardless. Sounds exactly how the left work. Ban it, and if low lifes resort to back alley avenues to get them, that's unfortunate, but the risk is on them.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

So let's stop with the pretense that you're actually trying to protect babies and not trying to punish women. You're clearly more interested in punishing women than saving babies.

[daoneandonly]

Easy, ban them, that's not really a hard choice.

So let's stop with the pretense that you're actually trying to protect babies and not trying to punish women. You're clearly more interested in punishing women than saving babies.

Close to 3000 babies aborted a day in the US, and you and dck say its working and the numbers are small.

[dckingsfan]

They'd be illegal in said scenario, so put in place proper, harsh punishments for those who do so and see if that trend continues.

All studies show that wouldn't happen - abortions would go back up. But if you want to argue from an emotional side - you just don't like them, fine.

But if you really cared about reducing abortions you would back the policies that are working. Not the ones that didn't work in the past.

I know - hard to swallow.

So here's your argument essentially, just let people do what they want, they're going to do it anyway regardless. Sounds exactly how the left work. Ban it, and if low lifes resort to back alley avenues to get them, that's unfortunate, but the risk is on them.

Incorrect.

Increase funding for those that have babies to reduce the fear that they won't be able to provide for the baby. Continue to increase dispensing birth control. Continue to work on messaging that destigmatizes being a single mom.

Increase funding to better understand how to reduce abortions.

You have no plan. You just don't like that there is a plan already working and that could work even better.

[daoneandonly]

All studies show that wouldn't happen - abortions would go back up. But if you want to argue from an emotional side - you just don't like them, fine.

But if you really cared about reducing abortions you would back the policies that are working. Not the ones that didn't work in the past.

I know - hard to swallow.

So here's your argument essentially, just let people do what they want, they're going to do it anyway regardless. Sounds exactly how the left work. Ban it, and if low lifes resort to back alley avenues to get them, that's unfortunate, but the risk is on them.

Incorrect.

Increase funding for those that have babies to reduce the fear that they won't be able to provide for the baby. Continue to increase dispensing birth control. Continue to work on messaging that destigmatizes being a single mom.

Increase funding to better understand how to reduce abortions.

You have no plan. You just don't like that there is a plan already working and that could work even better.

Its 2019, who the heck stigmatizes single moms? Such a 1940s argument if I ever heard one

[I_Like_Dirt]

You have no plan. You just don't like that there is a plan already working and that could work even better.

I'd suggest he's more interested in seeing his tax dollars spent on punishing people he feels deserve to be punished rather than helping someone who isn't himself.

I know I'm speaking on his behalf here so I'll get more into generalities. That's where the divide tends to diverge politically. This concept that we don't actually need government for anything and it just gets in the way. Then there is a caveat of we need police/military/etc. to protect us and maintain order. That begets the questions of protect us from what and maintain what order? Suddenly things start getting a whole lot more complicated whether a person wants to admit it or not and it gets even muddier when actually helping people winds up more effective than simply telling them not to do something and punishing them when they don't do it.

[daoneandonly]

You have no plan. You just don't like that there is a plan already working and that could work even better.

I'd suggest he's more interested in seeing his tax dollars spent on punishing people he feels deserve to be punished rather than helping someone who isn't himself.

I know I'm speaking on his behalf here so I'll get more into generalities. That's where the divide tends to diverge politically. This concept that we don't actually need government for anything and it just gets in the way. Then there is a caveat of we need police/military/etc. to protect us and maintain order. That begets the questions of protect us from what and maintain what order? Suddenly things start getting a whole lot more complicated whether a person wants to admit it or not and it gets even muddier when actually helping people winds up more effective than simply telling them not to do something and punishing them when they don't do it.

Your two way of having it also applies to your side. The whole my body my choice argument the government should stay out, while also advocating the government fund institutions likes PP that take care of said body. That's the epitome of hypocrisy

[montestewart]

Da1, why is Illisei's statement that, "For many women [in Romania under Ceausescu], sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed," antiquated and inaccurate? In your academic studies of Romania, have you found evidence that contradicts her statement?

[dobrojim]

One of the worst, asinine and most backwards comment I have ever seen In RealGM in all my time here.

Actually backwards, asinine, but most of all hypocritical, is the party that preaches science when it comes to climate change and their definition of a baby, but ignore science when it comes to biology and using a bathroom.

If you actually knew science behind transgender people, you would understand how effective sex change has become. You are literally the one who preach 40 year old guys with beards use same bathrooms as 8 year old girls. You are getting it backwards, but of course your scientific reasoning is that transgender person is just a guy in a drag, so you are basically not only clueless, but incredibly offensive as well.

Thanks for writing this. I'm guessing DA1 would probably respond incredibly poorly, on a purely human level,
if he ever had a family member turn out to be gay or trans. His stance on these cultural issues is disturbing
to read but I'm optimistic that given the intense focus that he and other like minded cons have, combined with
how broadly unpopular these sentiments are, the party he supports will either soon be a relic in the
dustbin of history or be forced into modernity with a total repudiation of these culture war issues.

[dckingsfan]

So here's your argument essentially, just let people do what they want, they're going to do it anyway regardless. Sounds exactly how the left work. Ban it, and if low lifes resort to back alley avenues to get them, that's unfortunate, but the risk is on them.

Incorrect.

Increase funding for those that have babies to reduce the fear that they won't be able to provide for the baby. Continue to increase dispensing birth control. Continue to work on messaging that destigmatizes being a single mom.

Increase funding to better understand how to reduce abortions.

You have no plan. You just don't like that there is a plan already working and that could work even better.

Its 2019, who the heck stigmatizes single moms? Such a 1940s argument if I ever heard one

Derailing but okay.

They’re easy. They’re slutty. They got pregnant with some random guy. Or, selfishly, they ran out to the sperm bank when they turned forty. It’s their fault.

They’re always broke. They’re on welfare. They’re sponging off the taxpayers. They should work for a living, and, simultaneously, they should stay home with their kids. Whatever they do, it’s never as good as what a married mom does. Ever. It’s their fault.

Your plan? This one is actually working.

[montestewart]

Continue to work on messaging that destigmatizes being a single mom.

Its 2019, who the heck stigmatizes single moms? Such a 1940s argument if I ever heard one

Derailing but okay.

They’re easy. They’re slutty. They got pregnant with some random guy. Or, selfishly, they ran out to the sperm bank when they turned forty. It’s their fault.

They’re always broke. They’re on welfare. They’re sponging off the taxpayers. They should work for a living, and, simultaneously, they should stay home with their kids. Whatever they do, it’s never as good as what a married mom does. Ever. It’s their fault.

Is that a Da1 quote? If so, way to use the archives.

There is a major intersection where Pro-Choice Street and Single Mom Destigmatization Avenue meet. It's called Democratic Voters Plaza. Do you drive, Da1?

[UcanUwill]

Actually backwards, asinine, but most of all hypocritical, is the party that preaches science when it comes to climate change and their definition of a baby, but ignore science when it comes to biology and using a bathroom.

If you actually knew science behind transgender people, you would understand how effective sex change has become. You are literally the one who preach 40 year old guys with beards use same bathrooms as 8 year old girls. You are getting it backwards, but of course your scientific reasoning is that transgender person is just a guy in a drag, so you are basically not only clueless, but incredibly offensive as well.

You seem to be taking this issue personally for no reason. It's simple though, its a bathroom, with respect to the transgendered, go ahead and have your change and be who you feel you have the right to be. No one is taking away any vital rights form you. But when it comes to public restrooms, it should be mandated they use the restroom of the gender they were born into. A predator could easily manipulate these new laws to harm someone. Of course it can happen in any scenario with the same sex, but no reason to open up another possibility just to be politically correct when there's no need to be.

So, you are perfectly fine with men use same bathrooms as women, if it means by small chance it cuts off pervert in drag? Thats a weird reasoning, next time you see bearded guy use womens bathroom, you better know that its your idea. Its a too ways to look at this, you either not threatened by transgender men, which is fine, and dont believe any of them could mean danger, or... you dont really acknowledge those men as men.

And I completely understand your stance on abortions, personally I disagree with you, but I dont think theres a black or white stance here. But you believe yourself to be morally superior just because you against abortion, and at the same time you rep party thats doing their best keeping NRA values in place and that cheers for politicians who commits the most death penalties, so do tell me more how morally pro life you are.