Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA?

[Illmatic12]

This shouldn’t be surprising , I mean Reddish has had the same red flags going back to HS. He’s gained a reputation as an empty gym superstar who’s been coddled all his life (ala Wiggins) . He has NBA tools but his production will likely never match the hype.

Predraft I predicted CR as one of those guys who will be traded a few times in his career and eventually settle in as a 3+D Trevor Ariza type role player .

[The_Hater]

My response is that you're just saying names and choosing to ignore the team's circumstances. They're not force-feeding the dude minutes, and keeping him ahead of guys, just because he was a FRP.

Carter is a 4, Turner is the backup 1. Bembry is getting as many minutes as the team can stomach.

Simply claiming that some players play different positions Isn’t a good argument. Even ignoring that we’re in the era of positionless basketball, all 3 of those players have played SF either in the current season or as recently as last season, and none of those players I listed have played some huge minute load thst couldn’t be increased if needed. Even Hunter, who I didn’t list, has only played 26 mpg and could soak up more minutes. Meanwhile Reddish is somehow 4th on the team in minutes right now.

If the goal of the Hawks was truly to put their best players on the floor, Reddish would be getting close to zero mpg right now. But Pierce and Schlenk are obviously thinking about a different direction.

The Goal of the Hawks, Schlenk and Pierce despite the wins and showing thus far has ALWAYS been to develop this young roster. Play hard, play and compete and if they win cool.
If the thought was different, they would have looked for a different starting C and backup PG.
Also note that, Turner was also limited with sore achilles, then sprained ankle.

You and I are in agreement, it’s other posters who are making claims like there aren’t any players to soak up his 23 mpg. That’s not the reason at all.

[The_Hater]

Simply claiming that some players play different positions Isn’t a good argument. Even ignoring that we’re in the era of positionless basketball, all 3 of those players have played SF either in the current season or as recently as last season, and none of those players I listed have played some huge minute load thst couldn’t be increased if needed. Even Hunter, who I didn’t list, has only played 26 mpg and could soak up more minutes. Meanwhile Reddish is somehow 4th on the team in minutes right now.

If the goal of the Hawks was truly to put their best players on the floor, Reddish would be getting close to zero mpg right now. But Pierce and Schlenk are obviously thinking about a different direction.

The Goal of the Hawks, Schlenk and Pierce despite the wins and showing thus far has ALWAYS been to develop this young roster. Play hard, play and compete and if they win cool.
If the thought was different, they would have looked for a different starting C and backup PG.
Also note that, Turner was also limited with sore achilles, then sprained ankle.

No jay, we're supposed to ignore circumstance just to try to "prove", after 3 games, that Reddish is a bust. smdh

Hawks fans are very defensive. Perhaps you can point out where I used the word ‘bust’ and applied to to Reddish in a post?

[RaptorsLife]

I watched every duke game last year because rj Barrett Canadian

Never did I ever see a player more overhyped than cam reddish

Dude bricks so many OPEN 3s. He reminded of Andrew wiggins in some ways

[jayu70]

The Goal of the Hawks, Schlenk and Pierce despite the wins and showing thus far has ALWAYS been to develop this young roster. Play hard, play and compete and if they win cool.
If the thought was different, they would have looked for a different starting C and backup PG.
Also note that, Turner was also limited with sore achilles, then sprained ankle.

No jay, we're supposed to ignore circumstance just to try to "prove", after 3 games, that Reddish is a bust. smdh

Hawks fans are very defensive. Perhaps you can point out where I used the word ‘bust’ and applied to to Reddish in a post?

The issue we take are to those saying he's being force fed minutes because of his top 10 pick status when that is simply not the case. We are trying to explain the circumstances that warrants his mpg averages.

Huerter was on a 15 minute restriction to start the season, he's at 20 minutes now.
Turner is the defacto backup PG and is also limted due to his sore achilles and sprained ankle.
Parker is the only real backup PF to Collins, who now has to play C with Len struggling, Bruno too young and Jones terrible.
Vince fits in wherever Coach wants him.
Bembry plays 1, 2 and 3 in any situation that's why Pierce likes him off the bench.
Reddish has been on the offensive struggle bus, if it wasn't for his defense thus far he would be on the bench, that is what is keeping him on the floor.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Thought Kevin Knox shooting 37% FG in the NBA was horrible. Then I see reddish get hype while shooting 36% FG in college. I was confused lol. Like that’s not gunna get better playing against better comp.

[The_Hater]

No jay, we're supposed to ignore circumstance just to try to "prove", after 3 games, that Reddish is a bust. smdh

Hawks fans are very defensive. Perhaps you can point out where I used the word ‘bust’ and applied to to Reddish in a post?

The issue we take are to those saying he's being force fed minutes because of his top 10 pick status when that is simply not the case. We are trying to explain the circumstances that warrants his mpg averages.

Huerter was on a 15 minute restriction to start the season, he's at 20 minutes now.
Turner is the defacto backup PG and is also limted due to his sore achilles and sprained ankle.
Parker is the only real backup PF to Collins, who now has to play C with Len struggling, Bruno too young and Jones terrible.
Vince fits in wherever Coach wants him.
Bembry plays 1, 2 and 3 in any situation that's why Pierce likes him off the bench.
Reddish has been on the offensive struggle bus, if it wasn't for his defense thus far he would be on the bench, that is what is keeping him on the floor.

You’ve argued 2 different sides here depending on who you’re responding too.

Previously, you said that management was playing Reddish because they have said they’re committed to their young players and playing Reddish. Which I agreed with. Now you’re saying it’s because of who else is available, (which i already pointed out is a huge stretch, they have plenty of bodies who could soak up most or all his 23 mpg on the wing aside from Huerter. It wouldn’t take much).

Which one is it?

[Duke4life831]

Im a massive Cam fan, but Im also a realist when it comes to Cam. I couldn't believe some of the excuses made for him for his season at Duke last year. "Oh he was miss-used", "he was a bad fit for the Duke roster", "he was dealing with and injury" and so on.

A few things, Cam came into college with a rep of being a guy that played PG and could create on ball. Watch early Duke games and you will see plenty of Cam with the ball. Throughout the season, his responsibilities on ball lowered and lowered to the point he was essentially just a catch and shoot guy. Fit on the roster, he couldn't have asked for a better team to spend his one year in college on. He played with 2 all Americans that demanded a ton of attention and gravity. Cam was asked to take open jumpers all game long.

In high school Cam was known to have top tier potential, but 2 major red flags about him. Super inconsistent and people questioned his drive for the game. To me those red flags are major red flags. Dont get me wrong, I saw the flashes and I completely understood taking him late in the top 10, hes the kind of guy I get rolling the dice on, especially for a team like ATL (or Pels who I wanted to take him) since they already got their main man earlier in the draft. But Cam is the definition of a massive risk, I could see Cam putting it all together and being a damn good starter, or I can see him being out of the league by the time he is 25.

[CP War Hawks]

Im a massive Cam fan, but Im also a realist when it comes to Cam. I couldn't believe some of the excuses made for him for his season at Duke last year. "Oh he was miss-used", "he was a bad fit for the Duke roster", "he was dealing with and injury" and so on.

A few things, Cam came into college with a rep of being a guy that played PG and could create on ball. Watch early Duke games and you will see plenty of Cam with the ball. Throughout the season, his responsibilities on ball lowered and lowered to the point he was essentially just a catch and shoot guy. Fit on the roster, he couldn't have asked for a better team to spend his one year in college on. He played with 2 all Americans that demanded a ton of attention and gravity. Cam was asked to take open jumpers all game long.

In high school Cam was known to have top tier potential, but 2 major red flags about him. Super inconsistent and people questioned his drive for the game. To me those red flags are major red flags. Dont get me wrong, I saw the flashes and I completely understood taking him late in the top 10, hes the kind of guy I get rolling the dice on, especially for a team like ATL (or Pels who I wanted to take him) since they already got their main man earlier in the draft. But Cam is the definition of a massive risk, I could see Cam putting it all together and being a damn good starter, or I can see him being out of the league by the time he is 25.

I won't even lie, I had hoped Rui was going to slip to 10 for the Hawks. Some points about Red people don't realize.

- had some type of surgery back in May-June where he was out until September.
- he himself is on a minutes restriction. He does seem close to fully healthy.
- they apparently have him measured at 6-8 w/o shoes. So that's 6-9 in shoes, it's possible he's still growing.
- his defensive ceiling is very high with his height, length, and instincts. His shot will get ironed out at some point.

[Dan Z]

Otto Porter Jr says hello. Okay maybe he's not the worst starter in the NBA but right now he's up there. I don't think anyone thought he'd shoot .265 in his first 4 games to start the season. Along with poor defense.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01.html

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hawks fans are very defensive. Perhaps you can point out where I used the word ‘bust’ and applied to to Reddish in a post?

The issue we take are to those saying he's being force fed minutes because of his top 10 pick status when that is simply not the case. We are trying to explain the circumstances that warrants his mpg averages.

Huerter was on a 15 minute restriction to start the season, he's at 20 minutes now.
Turner is the defacto backup PG and is also limted due to his sore achilles and sprained ankle.
Parker is the only real backup PF to Collins, who now has to play C with Len struggling, Bruno too young and Jones terrible.
Vince fits in wherever Coach wants him.
Bembry plays 1, 2 and 3 in any situation that's why Pierce likes him off the bench.
Reddish has been on the offensive struggle bus, if it wasn't for his defense thus far he would be on the bench, that is what is keeping him on the floor.

You’ve argued 2 different sides here depending on who you’re responding too.

Previously, you said that management was playing Reddish because they have said they’re committed to their young players and playing Reddish. Which I agreed with. Now you’re saying it’s because of who else is available, (which i already pointed out is a huge stretch, they have plenty of bodies who could soak up most or all his 23 mpg on the wing aside from Huerter. It wouldn’t take much).

Which one is it?

Its exactly what he's stated. The Hawks are committed to developing its young core of players. Cam is apart of that core. With that said, we have some injuries limiting a few, while playing Bembry 30+ minutes, isn't a major requirement. It's not as if Bembry is some spectacular player either. Lloyd values Cams presence defensively & potential to space the floor, over just sticking bembry out there, who needs the ball in his hands to even be somewhat effective.

This thread quite irrelevant anyway considering it's 3, THREE, games to begin with.

[GQ Hot Dog]

After 4 games Cam is shooting 22% from the field and is 0-14 from three. 6 assists was a bright spot tonight, maybe Cam will fill in for Trae as PG while he's out? I'm wondering if this thread is going to turn into a prediction thread for when Cam will make his first three. The next two games are against the Heat and Spurs and I don't see Cam hitting one against either of those defensive juggernauts. When do they play the Warriors? Plenty of open shots to be had against us.

[Shock Defeat]

No surprise. He was horrible in college and will be horrible in the NBA. Dude is all hype zero substance.

[Ball4life32]

He’s shooting 42% from 2 but 0-14 from 3. He made 84 3’s at Duke. No way he’s this bad a shooter.

[Cal And Jay]

J.J. Reddick says hi. /Thread

[robbie84]

Courtney Lee

He's still in the league?

[GQ Hot Dog]

J.J. Reddick says hi. /Thread

Mike Conley is shooting exactly 20% from the field and 15% from three. He's not impressed JJ Reddick.

[abark]

crap on a guy who played 3 games? can we not wait at least like 20 games? wouldnt you the worst worker at your new work after 3 days?

It's not about the three games. He absolutely sucked in college too. This is just 3 more games of trash

jimmer fredette was .500 FG% 29ppg in 4th yr in college... adam morrison was 20 ppg in 3yrs, 28ppg in 3rd year, shooting .500...

if you are going to make conclusions based on a guy based off their college stats and 3 games in the nba, you are about as bad a skip bayless..

Ok...

Yes, there are a lot of great college players that become busts in the NBA. That's not news.

The problem is Cam was very bad in college. Please find me any top 10 pick that had a worse college season the year before they were drafted. I'm serious, please name them.

Im not jumping to this conclusion just from 3 games. Everything I have said was what I was saying about him before the draft. He simply showed nothing to deserve being drafted so high.

[Illmatic12]

Otto Porter Jr says hello. Okay maybe he's not the worst starter in the NBA but right now he's up there. I don't think anyone thought he'd shoot .265 in his first 4 games to start the season. Along with poor defense.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01.html

Not totally fair if the cause of his struggles are due to injury . I’ve seen what Otto can do when healthy but he looks far from that atm.

[Johnny Bball]

This thread is getting bumped. 100% chance. Crazy.