OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[Jeffster81]

Nagy sticking with Trubisky basically concedes the season, imo.

[GetBuLLish]

Nagy has not thrown Mitch under the bus. But from the substance of his statements and the way he play calls, it is obvious that he has no trust in Mitch.

You can't blame him for that. But Nagy is making things worse by allowing his lack of trust in Mitch to cascade into dumb play calling.

[GetBuLLish]

He has been so stubborn, it almost indicates that he thought his system made the Chiefs what they are, not the players. He has to wake up and coach the Bears.

What system should Nagy install right now that could be successful with one of the worst QBs in the league at the helm who has trouble making passes beyond 10 yards? I'm all ears.

Keep in mind that we don't have the personnel to be a run heavy team. This team was designed for speed and finesse. It requires a competent QB who can make reads and get the ball out to the right players.

The truth is that if we had a serviceable QB in yesterday's game, we would have scored at least 2 more touchdowns, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes our offensive line has issues and yes Nagy's playcalling leads much to be desired (especially his boneheaded, Trestman-like decision to not push for a closer field goal), but these problems are being massively magnified due to the horrific quarterback play.

[Red Larrivee]

How did you come away with that?

Nagy's been coaching that way all season. Whether it's passing or running the ball, the gameplan is created to not make Trubisky think or do too much.

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It's a bad sign when a coach is so willing to throw players under the bus. Nagy may be in preservation mode but arguably he's been as bad as Mitch this season, if not worse. It all started with that decision to not play the starters in preseason. He bought his own hype and it's all been downhill for him from there

I agree. Nagy and Trubisky have both been significant issues, but your team goes as far as your QB can take you.

I think Nagy's argument behind closed doors will be that Trubisky was not his guy, even though he signed up to be coach with the understanding that Trubisky was the guy. It's clear that Nagy saw something in the offseason that made him scale the playbook back.

[Red Larrivee]

What system should Nagy install right now that could be successful with one of the worst QBs in the league at the helm who has trouble making passes beyond 10 yards? I'm all ears.

Keep in mind that we don't have the personnel to be a power heavy team. This team was designed for speed and finesse. It requires a competent QB who can make reads and get the ball out to the right players.

The truth is that if we had a serviceable QB in yesterday's game, we would have scored at least 2 more touchdowns, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes our offensive line has issues and yes Nagy's playcalling leads much to be desired (especially his boneheaded, Trestman-like decision to not push for a closer field goal), but these problems are being massively magnified due to the horrific quarterback play.

Exactly. Not only that, but it requires downfield accuracy. This is how our QB performs downfield:



I think people got the wrong idea from last season. Trubisky was ok, largely because he worked with short fields and faced defenses that hadn't adapted to all of the wrinkles that weren't on tape from Nagy's offense. Even then, he had:

8 games of less than 7 yards per attempt
8 games of 200 passing yards or less

Defenses had a year to study and the he and Nagy haven't adapted to those adjustments. Teams are sniffing out the screens, gimmicks, and one-read throws, and they've figured out that you simply have to force him to go through his progressions and become a pocket passer. Once that happens, he's done. Trubisky can't scan the field, go through multiple reads, sense pressure, and make an accurate pass in a given possession.

Nagy's been bad this season, but I just don't understand what any HC is supposed to do with Trubisky. He really doesn't do much well outside of running the ball and escaping a collapsing pocket. He's basically Blake Bortles.

[Chi town]

Nagy has not thrown Mitch under the bus. But from the substance of his statements and the way he play calls, it is obvious that he has no trust in Mitch.

You can't blame him for that. But Nagy is making things worse by allowing his lack of trust in Mitch to cascade into dumb play calling.

This!!! So true.

You’ve got to work with what you have. Mitch will never be Mahomes.

Run the ball. Play action. Bootleg.

Enough with the BS cute plays that never work.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

[RememberLu]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

Nagy wanted to turn him into a pocket passer. It's literally "Hey, y'know that one and only thing you do well? Stop doing that."

2018 COY ladies and gentlemen

[dice]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

Nagy wanted to turn him into a pocket passer. It's literally "Hey, y'know that one and only thing you do well? Stop doing that."

2018 COY ladies and gentlemen

defenses adjusted and QBs get injured running...as has already happened this season to trubisky

trubisky's running success last season was not by design

[RememberLu]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

Nagy wanted to turn him into a pocket passer. It's literally "Hey, y'know that one and only thing you do well? Stop doing that."

2018 COY ladies and gentlemen

defenses adjusted and QBs get injured running...as has already happened this season to trubisky

trubisky's running success last season was not by design

Trubisky got injured because he takes sacks, like a moron, instead of throwing the ball away

low iq

[Betta Bulleavit]

Nagy wanted to turn him into a pocket passer. It's literally "Hey, y'know that one and only thing you do well? Stop doing that."

2018 COY ladies and gentlemen

defenses adjusted and QBs get injured running...as has already happened this season to trubisky

trubisky's running success last season was not by design

Trubisky got injured because he takes sacks, like a moron, instead of throwing the ball away

low iq

That’s not accurate at all. I’ve seen Mitch avoid more sacks than he’s just “taken”. You’re confusing him with Daniel.

[RememberLu]

defenses adjusted and QBs get injured running...as has already happened this season to trubisky

trubisky's running success last season was not by design

Trubisky got injured because he takes sacks, like a moron, instead of throwing the ball away

low iq

That’s not accurate at all. I’ve seen Mitch avoid more sacks than he’s just “taken”. You’re confusing him with Daniel.

This season? This season you've seen him avoid more sacks than he's taken?

he's been poor in the pocket and has shown very little awareness or feel, either in the pocket or outside of it

[bullsnewdynasty]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

Nagy wanted to turn him into a pocket passer. It's literally "Hey, y'know that one and only thing you do well? Stop doing that."

2018 COY ladies and gentlemen

defenses adjusted and QBs get injured running...as has already happened this season to trubisky

trubisky's running success last season was not by design

Mitch was top 5 in rushing yards among QB's and he suddenly stopped this year. Definitely seems like something came from the coaching staff. You don't neuter a guy's strengths when they're limited to begin with. The same thing happened with Cam Newton and he went from a MVP candidate to a borderline starter.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Trubisky got injured because he takes sacks, like a moron, instead of throwing the ball away

low iq

That’s not accurate at all. I’ve seen Mitch avoid more sacks than he’s just “taken”. You’re confusing him with Daniel.

This season? This season you've seen him avoid more sacks than he's taken?

he's been poor in the pocket and has shown very little awareness or feel, either in the pocket or outside of it

I’m not sure if you’ve ever played the position before. I know I haven’t. But I have played some football and I can tell you that it’s hard to avoid a sack (much less complete a pass) when that pocket that you speak of collapses in 3-4 seconds as it often has this season. You either have to get that ball out hella-quick and risk throwing it into the middle of nowhere (Chase) or drop and take the sack (Chase almost always). It’s not as simple as a lot of people think it is.

[Payt10]

Is there a reason that Mitch never runs the ball anymore? I know that he got injured this year but if you look at last year, he was consistently running for 40/50 yards per game.

It's literally the only thing he does well, and it's the one thing that he hasn't done all year. Him running as effectively as he did last year was one of the main reasons why he was 2nd in QBR last year among all quarterbacks, and it's why he's now among the worst.

It's a combination of a stubborn quarterback trying to become something he's not, and bad play design by Nagy. The offense needs Trubisky to use his legs, and they need to call more plays designed to get him outside the pocket where he can use some of his athletic ability.

[Red Larrivee]

It's literally the only thing he does well, and it's the one thing that he hasn't done all year. Him running as effectively as he did last year was one of the main reasons why he was 2nd in QBR last year among all quarterbacks, and it's why he's now among the worst.

It's a combination of a stubborn quarterback trying to become something he's not, and bad play design by Nagy. The offense needs Trubisky to use his legs, and they need to call more plays designed to get him outside the pocket where he can use some of his athletic ability.

There's a few problems with this:

1. The offensive line is not run blocking well. So, calling designed runs isn't going to be effective.
2. Increased chance of injury.
3. Increased chance of Chase Daniel starting games.

Runs would help, but ultimately Trubisky has to be able to make accurate passes with regularity. That's what makes players like Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson dangerous. They can leave the pocket, threaten the run, and make accurate passes on the go. Trubisky can barely make accurate passes with his feet set in a clean pocket.

[Payt10]

It's literally the only thing he does well, and it's the one thing that he hasn't done all year. Him running as effectively as he did last year was one of the main reasons why he was 2nd in QBR last year among all quarterbacks, and it's why he's now among the worst.

It's a combination of a stubborn quarterback trying to become something he's not, and bad play design by Nagy. The offense needs Trubisky to use his legs, and they need to call more plays designed to get him outside the pocket where he can use some of his athletic ability.

There's a few problems with this:

1. The offensive line is not run blocking well. So, calling designed runs isn't going to be effective.
2. Increased chance of injury.
3. Increased chance of Chase Daniel starting games.

Runs would help, but ultimately Trubisky has to be able to make accurate passes with regularity. That's what makes players like Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson dangerous. They can leave the pocket, threaten the run, and make accurate passes on the go. Trubisky can barely make accurate passes with his feet set in a clean pocket.

I get the injury stuff, but at some point, you have to be self-aware enough to realize when something isn't working, and that—if you want to put your team in the best position to win—you need to go back to playing to your strengths. The Bears have ran out of time to experiment with Trubisky as a pocket passer. The time to do that would have been in pre-season... The same pre-season the HC decided he didn't want him to play in.

Even if he doesn't want designed runs called, can they at least roll him outside the pocket to pass?? At least that would split the field in half for him and not force him into trying to go through all his reads on every drop back. I just don't understand why they can handle Mitch like the Chiefs handled Alex Smith (as a runner). You don't need to make him into Tim Tebow, but given where he's at in his development as a passer, he NEEDS to use his legs more, otherwise it's completely useless to have him out there on the field while you're still trying to win games.

[bearadonisdna]

Would anybody be interested in bell for a 3rd or 4th round pick?

Its bad timing with monts 1 good game but he is the type of name that would cancel out the howard gaffe.

[nomorezorro]

i've been withholding judgment on nagy because i think trubisky is an anchor on the offense, but this kicking stuff is pretty brutal. doubling down on the decision not to get closer, and then this:

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[Susan]

Would anybody be interested in bell for a 3rd or 4th round pick?

Its bad timing with monts 1 good game but he is the type of name that would cancel out the howard gaffe.

Trade deadline passed and no.

There was no Howard gaffe, the gaffe would be to draft a RB early or pay a RB a big contract. The only thing we need to do with our RB room right now is cut Mike Davis to get a 4th round compensatory pick.