2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[cberry78]

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1867491

[lilfishi22]

woot Embiid suspended for our game. Simmons gets off without even a fine though despite Latrell Sprewell-ing KAT

This whole narrative that Simmons was unreasonably heavy handed with KAT is an absolute joke. I've seen "dangerous choke hold" to "rear naked chokes" and now Latrell Sprewell-esque choke.

I mean c'mon, that was not dangerous at all. Half a lesson of jiujtisu or even wrestling and it's clear that is the type of hold to control someone, and it's next to impossible to choke someone out with the "seatbelt" hold. If Simmon's arm was from one side of the neck and connecting to the other side of the neck then sure but it never was.

[Saberestar]

woot Embiid suspended for our game. Simmons gets off without even a fine though despite Latrell Sprewell-ing KAT

This whole narrative that Simmons was unreasonably heavy handed with KAT is an absolute joke. I've seen "dangerous choke hold" to "rear naked chokes" and now Latrell Sprewell-esque choke.

I mean c'mon, that was not dangerous at all. Half a lesson of jiujtisu or even wrestling and it's clear that is the type of hold to control someone, and it's next to impossible to choke someone out with the "seatbelt" hold. If Simmon's arm was from one side of the neck and connecting to the other side of the neck then sure but it never was.

Well, probably Simmons didn't deserve any suspension but I really think that Embiid deserved more than just two games.

He initiated everything and it was very embarrassing all the **** that he did after the "fight". I mean, if he really wants to fight someone just go and try Vale tudo, and stop making a clown on a basketball court.

[lilfishi22]

woot Embiid suspended for our game. Simmons gets off without even a fine though despite Latrell Sprewell-ing KAT

This whole narrative that Simmons was unreasonably heavy handed with KAT is an absolute joke. I've seen "dangerous choke hold" to "rear naked chokes" and now Latrell Sprewell-esque choke.

I mean c'mon, that was not dangerous at all. Half a lesson of jiujtisu or even wrestling and it's clear that is the type of hold to control someone, and it's next to impossible to choke someone out with the "seatbelt" hold. If Simmon's arm was from one side of the neck and connecting to the other side of the neck then sure but it never was.

Well, probably Simmons didn't deserve any suspension but I really think that Embiid deserved more than just two games.

He initiated everything and it was very embarrassing all the **** that he did after the "fight". I mean, if he really wants to fight someone just go and try Vale tudo, and stop making a clown on a basketball court.

yeah I dunno.

Both guys were pretty close to being the "initiator" since they were both tangled up at first. Even if Embiid was the one who started it...what would he get? 3 games maybe? If they were two scrubs going at it, maybe 5 games each max. I just don't get the impression that the NBA cares to or wants to suspend either guys for much longer than they have to

Regarding Ayton, they were following the prescribed punishment

[suns12345]

This whole narrative that Simmons was unreasonably heavy handed with KAT is an absolute joke. I've seen "dangerous choke hold" to "rear naked chokes" and now Latrell Sprewell-esque choke.

I mean c'mon, that was not dangerous at all. Half a lesson of jiujtisu or even wrestling and it's clear that is the type of hold to control someone, and it's next to impossible to choke someone out with the "seatbelt" hold. If Simmon's arm was from one side of the neck and connecting to the other side of the neck then sure but it never was.

Well, probably Simmons didn't deserve any suspension but I really think that Embiid deserved more than just two games.

He initiated everything and it was very embarrassing all the **** that he did after the "fight". I mean, if he really wants to fight someone just go and try Vale tudo, and stop making a clown on a basketball court.

yeah I dunno.

Both guys were pretty close to being the "initiator" since they were both tangled up at first. Even if Embiid was the one who started it...what would he get? 3 games maybe? If they were two scrubs going at it, maybe 5 games each max. I just don't get the impression that the NBA cares to or wants to suspend either guys for much longer than they have to

Regarding Ayton, they were following the prescribed punishment

A prescribed punishment which went up 250% only recently though

[bwgood77]

Nice to finally see some decent Suns threads on the General Board, especially the ones started by non Suns fans.

[lilfishi22]

Well, probably Simmons didn't deserve any suspension but I really think that Embiid deserved more than just two games.

He initiated everything and it was very embarrassing all the **** that he did after the "fight". I mean, if he really wants to fight someone just go and try Vale tudo, and stop making a clown on a basketball court.

yeah I dunno.

Both guys were pretty close to being the "initiator" since they were both tangled up at first. Even if Embiid was the one who started it...what would he get? 3 games maybe? If they were two scrubs going at it, maybe 5 games each max. I just don't get the impression that the NBA cares to or wants to suspend either guys for much longer than they have to

Regarding Ayton, they were following the prescribed punishment

A prescribed punishment which went up 250% only recently though

Yeah it sucks it came in the same season Ayton decided to take a diuretic (assuming he doesn't take it any other time). But because it has been recently introduced, they needed to follow what was introduced.

[NapoleonII]

It's way too early for all the love on the General Board.

I hope Monty keeps these guys in line and hungry.

[cberry78]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019/10/31/20941340/devin-booker-nba-phoenix-suns-are-not-going-away

[sunskerr]

Quite frankly, we should be 5-0.

[Frank Lee]

Frankstradamus checking in....
I put on my turbin and warmed up the crystal ball, the magic 8 ball, and brewing some tea leaves

It appears we have taken one big giant step forward. If this level of play sustains and we are actually in the play off hunt I cant see any reason we dont swing hard at trading Tyler Johnson for a 20mill+ valid player. Its time the salary cap limit gets shelved and the Tax level becomes the new barricade.

Check me on this, but Im thinking we can resign Saric and Baynes without cap restrictions. We let TJo just expire and once again, the low limit cap salary is our high mark. Rinse repeat. The tax point is going to be $130-140 mill, but we cant get close to there without having the players under our semi control, where we can offer up market deals to retain them. I think we have that now, if my assumption is correct on Super Dario and Iron Baynes.

TJo is expiring and Kimsky has a team option. Thats 25million of salary reduction for a team. (You know where Im going with this)
Yes thats right.... enter the Love dragon. He has to be available with the right deal.... saving the Cavs 28mill X3 and giving them a lightly protected 1st has to be attractive. Replacing Kimsky with Love is a tremendous upgrade IMO and would be another log on the reignited fire.

The only hesitation I see is if SARIC balls out to be that top level PF we have needed since... since... since...days of Stat? He might seek a starting spot, or rather, not lose it. Thats a good thing if he is pig**** happy here. OR if Love wont come off the bench for 24 mins a night. But, with the Bromance relationship our GM has with Love, may be Jones can get him to buy in for his swansong. We have to be first in line with an offer. Are there any others out there?

Might be early talking about retaining Saric and Baynes...but thats what GMs think about. No longer is McDeconstruct influencing our fandom. Retaining talent, while adding talent is the key to a return of repeated playoff appearances. we are finally on that track. And to be a player, you have to be a payer. You hear me Bobby?

Ill take this squad all F-n day

Gs ....Rubio / Booker/ Carter / Jerome / LeQ?
Fs ....Saric /Love? / Oubre / Bridges / CamJo
Cs.... Baynes / Ayton / ?

However, I can also see all that occurring above with Tyler Johnson just fading away for cash savings. Perhaps he plays himself to another deal here as cohesion is an underated value. Either way, its a good place to be.



That will be $15 for this glimpse into the future.... your session is over. Now bring out the LoveHaters.

[Mr Puddles]

^^^
As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

[bwgood77]

^^^
As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

Funny I almost mentioned Tyle for Gallinari today and a week or so ago, but i wasn't thinking much more....but didn't today because of how well our PFs are playing.

Ultimately I think it comes down to whether we want to pay Saric. If Kaminsky is playing well I see no need to include him...would keep for depth. Just Tyler and heavily protected pick...would have to be future 2nd rounder, but like you say, don't have many. Could throw in Carter IF we don't want to pay him AND Ty Jerome is playing really well, as well as Okobo. I like Jevon and he can probably be re-signed for cheap but we just drafted Jerome and have dirt cheap options on Okobo who is getting better. Won't be surprised if we go PG in draft either if we get decent pick. Great deep PG crop....even though we probably could more use another big after passing on Clarke/Washington.

[Crives]

^^^
As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

I get the feeling Jones is taking the patient view on the rebuild. If he wants Gallo I see him waiting till summer

[Crives]

Do you guys really think a Jones would move Tyler? He’s a good expiring... but it feels to me like the #1 goal is to turn the culture around, and that Tyler can really help with the culture... I have a feeling we see no trades as Jones wants the guys to build continuity and change the culture.

[Mr Puddles]

Do you guys really think a Jones would move Tyler? He’s a good expiring... but it feels to me like the #1 goal is to turn the culture around, and that Tyler can really help with the culture... I have a feeling we see no trades as Jones wants the guys to build continuity and change the culture.

Depends on the deal. I don't think we'd be a actively looking to move him but if the right player comes along Tyler will likely get moved. I like Tyler Johnson, but with Jerome and Cam Johnson can slide in and take his minutes - so if there's a guy out there that can be had and fills a bigger need I could see us making that move.

I agree with you though, there's probably a better chance than not that we'll just stand pat at the trade deadline.

[bwgood77]

^^^
As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

I get the feeling Jones is taking the patient view on the rebuild. If he wants Gallo I see him waiting till summer

Gallo isn't a rebuilding move. It would be strictly for what we feel is more needed this season. Our PF depth right now is probably deeper than the SG depth though, at least until Jerome gets back, and I don't know that the difference between Gallo and our guys is enough to get rid of Tyler Johnson off the bench anyway.

I love Tyler. He has grit, is tough and a perfect hard nosed bench guy.

[Saberestar]

^^^
As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

I get the feeling Jones is taking the patient view on the rebuild. If he wants Gallo I see him waiting till summer

I am not sure about the exact numbers but I think that we will no have enough money to offer him a big contract. We would have to renounce to sign some of our own players ( Saric, Baynes, Tyler and Carter).

I really like Gallinari, but it's Saric OR him for us.

[bwgood77]

Do you guys really think a Jones would move Tyler? He’s a good expiring... but it feels to me like the #1 goal is to turn the culture around, and that Tyler can really help with the culture... I have a feeling we see no trades as Jones wants the guys to build continuity and change the culture.

No, because I think when most mention trading him it's so another team could get an expiring, but that means they would be dumping money onto us, and my guess is we'd rather keep our space clean barring someone giving up a really useful player.

If anything, I think we might re-sign him if he's worth it. I'd probably rather have him at ML money than a guy like Saric at $15.

[Crives]

Do you guys really think a Jones would move Tyler? He’s a good expiring... but it feels to me like the #1 goal is to turn the culture around, and that Tyler can really help with the culture... I have a feeling we see no trades as Jones wants the guys to build continuity and change the culture.

No, because I think when most mention trading him it's so another team could get an expiring, but that means they would be dumping money onto us, and my guess is we'd rather keep our space clean barring someone giving up a really useful player.

If anything, I think we might re-sign him if he's worth it. I'd probably rather have him at ML money than a guy like Saric at $15.

If Saric keeps playing like he did against GS I’d be happy to get him on a $15m deal... only FA this summer that possibly looks more interesting to replace the pf spot is Grant..

We really need to see Ayton when he gets back.. if he becomes a consistent rim protector like the Kings game then Ayton + Saric will be a great fit.