Giannis Thread - DPOY Page 88

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Yeah I don't get what Giannis is doing TBH. Especially those 3 pointers, what is their purpose? Anything else he does with the ball has statistically a better outcome than shooting a 3. Literally anything.
I thought the whole idea was to accumulate all those shooters so Giannis doesn't have to.

if he doesn't attempt to improve his game...then he's getting worse. he can hit those....and all he needs is to make defenders stay honest and not sag into a wall around the lane.

Nah, even if he became an above average 3pt shooter the smart D in the play offs would still sag off him and form a wall, simply because he still does a lot more damage when he drives. Do the math and you'll see it for yourself, and don't forget to bake in your calc the fact that when he chucks it from 3 he never earns any FTs, and FTs are easily the most efficient shot in basketball. Giannis shooting FTs is more points per possession than Steph shooting threes.

Not every player has to do everything, this thing with the Giannis 3s is an unhealthy obsession IMO. May as well turn around and throw it over his head in the general direction of a Lopez brother.

I never said he has to do everything. But if there is one person who can break down the wall that defenders are building around the lane, it's him.

When he drives into a wall, and commits offensive fouls and therefore plays less minutes...your math doesn't work like you want it to. Also, if he can't hit 75% of his free throws, the math also fails.

[Coach Carter]

7th year in the league 14% on 3 and 55% on FTs.

The 3pt thing isn't happening.

POST MOVES, POST MOVES, POST MOVES

He needs to stop trying to be like Curry, and start watching Hakeem.

I'd imagine when bud took over and implemented his system, giannis shifted his focus accordingly. Remember the hook shot, fade away were coming along, dare i say even the mid. I still remember a wizards game on the road where he was hitting and looking very confident. Bud's system doesn't employ these.

[Pachinko_]

if he doesn't attempt to improve his game...then he's getting worse. he can hit those....and all he needs is to make defenders stay honest and not sag into a wall around the lane.

Nah, even if he became an above average 3pt shooter the smart D in the play offs would still sag off him and form a wall, simply because he still does a lot more damage when he drives. Do the math and you'll see it for yourself, and don't forget to bake in your calc the fact that when he chucks it from 3 he never earns any FTs, and FTs are easily the most efficient shot in basketball. Giannis shooting FTs is more points per possession than Steph shooting threes.

Not every player has to do everything, this thing with the Giannis 3s is an unhealthy obsession IMO. May as well turn around and throw it over his head in the general direction of a Lopez brother.

I never said he has to do everything. But if there is one person who can break down the wall that defenders are building around the lane, it's him.

When he drives into a wall, and commits offensive fouls and therefore plays less minutes...your math doesn't work like you want it to. Also, if he can't hit 75% of his free throws, the math also fails.

So let him work on the important things like FTs and not running into people, he had both those things right for long stretches last year and the year before. Screw 3 pointers, nail the important and realistic stuff. Low hanging fruit.

[trwi7]

Jeopardy making it too easy.

Read on Twitter

[greekbuck34]

7th year in the league 14% on 3 and 55% on FTs.

The 3pt thing isn't happening.

POST MOVES, POST MOVES, POST MOVES

He needs to stop trying to be like Curry, and start watching Hakeem.

What can you do with the post moves when you instantly get a double team?
Watch the Heat and the Celtics. Giannis was trying to get away from all the fouls only to get the ball at his usual spot and get instantly a double team.

Pass to the open shooter(the right play) and 3p shot.

They deny him all the available moves inside the arc and we can't make them pay for that for 4 straight quarters.

[JayMKE]

More than anything Giannis needs to become a more consistent FT shooter and then look for fouls on guys when he's getting mugged by a wall of defenders, that's just the way the NBA is now. I feel like he's avoiding it a lil bit this season with how in his head he is about FTs.

[tradejosehesux]

Give the Raps the CHIEF PURSUER award.

That and 2019 NBA CHAMPS

[glenn]

Give the Raps the CHIEF PURSUER award.

That and 2019 NBA CHAMPS

That and Most Insecure Fanbase.

[Diggr14]

We shouldn't beat that horse too much while its down. We are going to be pretty insecure around here this summer I think, especially if Giannis wont sign an extension (which I think is going to happen, sadly).

So while its fun to bang on Raps fans for insecurity. Our time is coming quick... ugh.

[glenn]

We shouldn't beat that horse too much while its down. We are going to be pretty insecure around here this summer I think, especially if Giannis wont sign an extension (which I think is going to happen, sadly).

So while its fun to bang on Raps fans for insecurity. Our time is coming quick... ugh.

We have a new champion!

[Diggr14]

We shouldn't beat that horse too much while its down. We are going to be pretty insecure around here this summer I think, especially if Giannis wont sign an extension (which I think is going to happen, sadly).

So while its fun to bang on Raps fans for insecurity. Our time is coming quick... ugh.

We have a new champion!

Do I get a belt?

[tradejosehesux]

Give the Raps the CHIEF PURSUER award.

That and 2019 NBA CHAMPS

That and Most Insecure Fanbase.

[emunney]

That and 2019 NBA CHAMPS

That and Most Insecure Fanbase.

You're on our board dingus.

[mattg]

7th year in the league 14% on 3 and 55% on FTs.

The 3pt thing isn't happening.

POST MOVES, POST MOVES, POST MOVES

He needs to stop trying to be like Curry, and start watching Hakeem.

What can you do with the post moves when you instantly get a double team?
Watch the Heat and the Celtics. Giannis was trying to get away from all the fouls only to get the ball at his usual spot and get instantly a double team.

Pass to the open shooter(the right play) and 3p shot.

They deny him all the available moves inside the arc and we can't make them pay for that for 4 straight quarters.

What can you do? Is that a serious question?

You make a quicker decision. That has been Giannis weakness since the Boston series. He is wayyyyyyyy too slow of a decision maker when multiple defenders come. That’s why the wall and whatnot work so well. The only fair way to describe Giannis decision making in the playoffs and now is flat out bad. He’s a bad decision maker. (Not even getting into his embarrassing transition play so far this year, it’s been horrific watching him barrel into 3 guys completely out of control, lose the ball, and then still look around like he was fouled)

People seem to think that because Giannis passes out of double teams and is overall willing to pass that he’s doing all he can or something but he routinely fires utter garbage to teammates that make it really hard to capitalize on the shifted defense. Passes that are 3 feet left of the shooter or at their knees aren’t good enough. Passes that are 2 thrown 2 seconds later than they needed to be and allow a defender to rotate back aren’t good enough. He has to be better.

Obviously our 2nd and 3rd best player actively hurting us more often than they help is killer right now too, and our team defense sucks since we are slow and old. But a lot of our issues start with Giannis, and have nothing to do with his lack of 3pt shot. He does need to hit FTs though, that is absolutely gutting us.

[ReasonablySober]

I can't remember if this was talked about before, but Disney+ is making a movie based on Giannis's life.

[ampd]

7th year in the league 14% on 3 and 55% on FTs.

The 3pt thing isn't happening.

POST MOVES, POST MOVES, POST MOVES

He needs to stop trying to be like Curry, and start watching Hakeem.

What can you do with the post moves when you instantly get a double team?
Watch the Heat and the Celtics. Giannis was trying to get away from all the fouls only to get the ball at his usual spot and get instantly a double team.

Pass to the open shooter(the right play) and 3p shot.

They deny him all the available moves inside the arc and we can't make them pay for that for 4 straight quarters.

There are things we can do right now that dont involve anyone developing skills they dont already have, for example mixing in using giannis more like a traditional big. Have him set some screens in a 2 man game, pick and roll, horns sets, whatever, with a guard or wing that can shoot. Hit him on the roll to the basket. One of the reasons a guy like cp3 wanted to be here is hed get about a million lobs a game to giannis doing this.

Get him some off ball stuff on cuts to the basket.

Try to force switches onto small guys close to the rim so he can go straight up and the double team isnt able to get there fast enough.

A lot of that involves diversifying the offense a bit though and bud hasn't seemed to be open to doing that

In other words, all the stuff every team in NBA history has done with dominant bigs that couldn't shoot 3s that made them hard to shut down by simply doubling them.

[greekbuck34]

Better passing, decision making, FT% and things like that will obviously help Giannis and the Bucks but it's not the ultimate solution against the Wall tactic.

All eyes are on him at all times.
3 defenders leave their men to stop all possible directions of Giannis driving to the basket.
Two defenders are always ready to form a double team on him in the post.
They switch everytime in any attempted PNR leading to all kind of missmatches for both Gianis who will eventually get another double team or the guard against a taller/slower guy.

The only thing we are doing against all of this is shooting a large number of wide open shots which is highly inconsistent based on our overall shooting ability.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I can't remember if this was talked about before, but Disney+ is making a movie based on Giannis's life.

How much will I now be paying for a Disney+ subscription?

ETA: God, i hope it ends with him signing the NBA largest ever extension. Alternate ending: Giannis wins championship with Bucks.

[Coach Carter]

Hence why bron is much more difficult to defend against. You can't double him, almost every time he'll punish a shifted defence. Theoretically, should giannis become a respectable facilitator, it should free him up.

[HKPackFan]

I have the best daughter ever!

She goes to boarding school in South Florida, but was in Orlando for a Disney weekend getaway for her cousin's bday.

FOR Me it was already Friday night so I slept but when I woke up she had given me a bunch of missed calls. I messaged her if everything was okay, she said let's talk later. I do some cardio and come back home a couple hrs later and watch the bucks game (Saturday morning for me).

My wife is telling me to call my daughter back but I'm like... Man I'm watching a bucks game, I'll call after!

I call her back and she sends me this :













Best daughter ever!

And I'm literally wearing my black bucks Tee when I'm talking to her, almost the same as the one he's wearing.

Apparently Friday morning he just walked into the elevator of the hotel.

She is awesome for thinking of me and asking him to give me a hello, and just how awesome is Giannis to deal with this overexcited teenager in the elevator, and making them hold the door an extra minute (it was buzzing coz she kept it open so long) yet he's so gracious and friendly. Unbelievable.

I'm just blown away and I'm on cloud9.