Bleacher Report “ top 15 SGs” no Lavine

mtron32 · Post #61 » by **mtron32** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:25 am

I'm fine with all the disrespect, he hasn't earned it.

erlim · Post #62 » by **erlim** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:28 am

Yeah at first I was feeling like that list was a big troll joke, but now it's apparent it was dead on.

IamSam · Post #63 » by **IamSam** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:22 pm

I'm expecting him to go nuts tonight against Cleveland just to keep this thread fun and interesting. :lol:

PaKii94 · Post #64 » by **PaKii94** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:23 pm

IamSam wrote:I'm expecting him to go nuts tonight against Cleveland just to keep this thread fun and interesting.

I want him to go nuts.... playing team ball that is 8-)

Ferulci · Post #65 » by **Ferulci** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:44 am

Man, the time where some people thought that Lavine > Mitchell seems like a lifetime ago.

ZOMG · Post #66 » by **ZOMG** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:33 am

I've officially lost all hope. LaVine is who he is and he's not changing. IMO it's preposterous that people are saying his deal is "good value". Compared to what?? Felicio?

Zach is being paid 20 million dollars per season to play awful, losing basketball. He has never looked worse than right now and is most definitely not among the Top 15 SG's in this league. I say that's very bad value.

drosereturn · Post #67 » by **drosereturn** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:58 pm

Lavine is a pretty contradictory player in that he is a slam dunk champion rivaling MJ but is more of a 6th man type.
Dunking well doesnt really mean anything other than pure entertainment which is why a lot of his fans got blindsided and thought he was some burgeoning superstar. The pundits like to point out he is similar caliber to Beal due to stats but they dont know he is empty stats player. I mean he did shock me by producing 25/5/5 but even then was still within my expectations in that he gives up more points than he scores and rarely facilitates the offense. Box score doesnt mean much when analytics for 6 yrs say otherwise.

ShadyMoney · Post #68 » by **ShadyMoney** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 5:35 pm

Lavine should be number 1

transplant · Post #69 » by **transplant** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 7:50 pm

This thread is perfect. Less than 3 weeks ago, the consensus was that Lavine had been dissed by not being included as a top 15 SG. Now the consensus is that, of course he wasn't a top 15 SG.

There are lessons to be learned here, but I'm not sure we'll learn them.

Post #70 » by **Michael Jackson** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 7:52 pm

transplant wrote:This thread is perfect. Less than 3 weeks ago, the consensus was that Lavine had been dissed by not being included as a top 15 SG. Now the consensus is that, of course he wasn't a top 15 SG.

There are lessons to be learned here, but I'm not sure we'll learn them.

He might be still according to that list because bad performance or not he is better than some of those guys...

transplant · Post #71 » by **transplant** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 8:02 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
transplant wrote:This thread is perfect. Less than 3 weeks ago, the consensus was that Lavine had been dissed by not being included as a top 15 SG. Now the consensus is that, of course he wasn't a top 15 SG.

There are lessons to be learned here, but I'm not sure we'll learn them.

He might be still according to that list because bad performance or not he is better than some of those guys...

Glad to see some perspective, Michael. It's in very short supply here.

Post #72 » by **Michael Jackson** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 8:34 pm

transplant wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
transplant wrote:This thread is perfect. Less than 3 weeks ago, the consensus was that Lavine had been dissed by not being included as a top 15 SG. Now the consensus is that, of course he wasn't a top 15 SG.

There are lessons to be learned here, but I'm not sure we'll learn them.

He might be still according to that list because bad performance or not he is better than some of those guys...

Glad to see some perspective, Michael. It's in very short supply here.

Used to be level headed now I do what the PR team told me to do I See Red!

I think that Mitchell interview I posted on the previous page does a great job summing up Zach. In LaVine’s defense, he is on 5 coaches in 6 years and none of them really have helped him out where he needs help. I am sure Thibs did but he had his hands full babysitting Wiggins. Fred nit Boylen are doing this guy any favors and he just doesn’t have the best decision making. Thing is he truly seems willing to learn, he just needs a better teacher, and you can improve on instincts.

dice · Post #73 » by **dice** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:04 pm

i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

Red Larrivee · Post #74 » by **Red Larrivee** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:27 pm

dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

I don't think so. The only difference defensively I see is that he's forcing more turnovers, which is something at least. But, the hope was that he'd at least look more competent off the ball and he mostly hasn't.

Offensively, his shot distribution is tailored to how the league currently is. All of his offense is either at the rim or from 3. He's still prone to lapses of heroball at the worst times.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #75 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:33 pm

dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

Most people were hoping for progression, though it's still very early.

Signs aren't looking good.

PaKii94 · Post #76 » by **PaKii94** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:51 pm

dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

If you watched last year he was improving mentally near the end of the season. He seems to have reverted from that along with decreased production.

dice · Post #77 » by **dice** » Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:54 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

If you watched last year he was improving mentally near the end of the season. He seems to have reverted from that along with decreased production.

so he's like the typical schoolkid who forgot a lot of what he learned over summer break. except that lavine's break was 7 months

Post #78 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:01 am

dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

So the problem has been he listened and gave up the midrange... so he has forced a lot of drives in traffic and even when he gets straight to the cup he has had poor luck with his finesse in finishing. He also I think has been forcing more threes. All this is ok as it will even out and he likely will look better soon. Overall his defense is somewhat more aware and he is passing ok for him but still has the same tunnel vision. His assists should be up no fault to his own but the fact the whole damn team can’t shoot outside of Thad.

dice · Post #79 » by **dice** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:15 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

So the problem has been he listened and gave up the midrange

he couldn't shoot the midrange for crap last season

Post #80 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 12:18 am

dice wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
dice wrote:i don't get this board. team sucked last year, team has sucked so far this year...

lavine last year vs this year (per 36):

25/5/5, 57%ts
23/4/5, 54%ts

that's not a significant decline given that it's only been 5 games and 3-4 new rotation players are being worked into the lineup. additionally, his a:to ratio, steals and blocks are all up

i mercifully have not been watching much, but are his intangibles really worse than last year? that would be hard to believe

So the problem has been he listened and gave up the midrange

he couldn't shoot the midrange for crap last season

Yeah I am not saying it is a bad move but he has forced his game a little bit more and that has resulted in him not finishing as well. I’m for him not using the midrange but you can see him adjusting to it.