Celtics General Thread 2019-20, "Re-Start"

[Roddy]

Marcus Morris, from Jay King:

Morris did not know at the time exactly what would happen, he believed the Celtics needed to hit the reset button. Asked what he thought needed to change, he replied, “We all know.”

“I don’t really want to speak on that,” Morris said. “I mean, we all know. (Kyrie) is my guy, but they needed a fresh start. Everybody needed a fresh start. And they got it, man. The energy seems – being around them, just playing them that one game (Saturday), the energy seems to be a lot better.”

I know I'm probably the only one here that miss Marcus Morris. He was an underrated rebounder and a warrior. Good luck to him.

[100proof]

I would trade Theis and a 2nd for Bertans

I like bertans, but isn't he weak defensively?

[Scoonie]

I know I'm probably the only one here that miss Marcus Morris. He was an underrated rebounder and a warrior. Good luck to him.

He's a talented player and a decent shooter, but he was a ball-stopper and fairly selfish player. In the big picture, losing Morris was addition by subtraction.

[Gant]

NBAMath has Kemba as its third highest ranked player so far this season (Kawhi 1, Harden 2):

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[SmartWentCrazy]

Just a guess:

-If Hayward keeps up his strong play
-If Sabonis and the Pacers look good with Turner out

I could see a Hayward + filler for Turner, McDermott and filler deal emerge later this season.

I dont think the Turner/Sabonis pairing will work long term and I do think Indy could sell itself on a Brogdon/Oladipo/Hayward/Sabonis core going forward. The Celtics would role with a Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner lineup.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Just a guess:

-If Hayward keeps up his strong play
-If Sabonis and the Pacers look good with Turner out

I could see a Hayward + filler for Turner, McDermott and filler deal emerge later this season.

I dont think the Turner/Sabonis pairing will work long term and I do think Indy could sell itself on a Brogdon/Oladipo/Hayward/Sabonis core going forward. The Celtics would role with a Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner lineup.

Maybe.. Why burn a major asset trading for Turner when we have Rob Williams developing nicely?

I’d look at multi-team scenarios where we get Turner and another asset -

Hayward to ORL
Fournier, MEM pick, Kanter/Theis to IND
Turner, Fultz to BOS?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just a guess:

-If Hayward keeps up his strong play
-If Sabonis and the Pacers look good with Turner out

I could see a Hayward + filler for Turner, McDermott and filler deal emerge later this season.

I dont think the Turner/Sabonis pairing will work long term and I do think Indy could sell itself on a Brogdon/Oladipo/Hayward/Sabonis core going forward. The Celtics would role with a Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner lineup.

Maybe.. Why burn a major asset trading for Turner when we have Rob Williams developing nicely?

I’d look at multi-team scenarios where we get Turner and another asset -

Hayward to ORL
Fournier, MEM pick, Kanter/Theis to IND
Turner, Fultz to BOS?

Because Turner is significantly better, on a great contract and is a plus shooter.

Also, why on earth would you add a Mem pick, Kanter and Theis to the deal I suggested just to get Fultz?

[itrsteve]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

[Disinformation]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

[Darth Celtic]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

no matter how good he plays, a guy who had that injury is unlikely to turn down that much cash. Even removing the fact he's playing for Brad and that's what he really wants to do.

[Disinformation]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

no matter how good he plays, a guy who had that injury is unlikely to turn down that much cash. Even removing the fact he's playing for Brad and that's what he really wants to do.

I tend to agree. But the narrative that he could leave has been out there for a while now. I'm not sure where it's coming from.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

no matter how good he plays, a guy who had that injury is unlikely to turn down that much cash. Even removing the fact he's playing for Brad and that's what he really wants to do.

Lets say he averages close to what he’s doing now- 17-6-3. He’d be the top FA on the market. I could easily see him getting another 4 year deal at 20M+.

People scoffed at Al opting out and he got a 4/110 offer— a big season could cause Gordon to do the same.

However, my proposal was more about adding an awesome big thats a perfect schematic fit and has built in chemistry with our guys due to FIBA.

[Darth Celtic]

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

no matter how good he plays, a guy who had that injury is unlikely to turn down that much cash. Even removing the fact he's playing for Brad and that's what he really wants to do.

Lets say he averages close to what he’s doing now- 17-6-3. He’d be the top FA on the market. I could easily see him getting another 4 year deal at 20M+.

People scoffed at Al opting out and he got a 4/110 offer— a big season could cause Gordon to do the same.

However, my proposal was more about adding an awesome big thats a perfect schematic fit and has built in chemistry with our guys due to FIBA.

Unlike Al, if he does 17 6 3 the rest of the year and opts out and is offered 4 year 100m, we would offer 4 year 101m. Al was 34, not 30.

[SichtingLives]

I haven't gotten to see Turner this year but he always seems to have less of an impact on the game than I expect him to. He's got all the skills and physical ability to be a dominant center in todays league but he only comes off as above-average (besides his one elite skill of shotblocking). Still he'd be a great fit in our system.

As for Hayward, I'd deal him this year if the return fits but I don't see him super keen to walk away especially if we and he has a good season, I'd think the memory of what happened the last time he went into a new situation is fresh in his mind and I'd bet when all the dust settles and we get back to being a drama-free basketball club that he really likes it here. I'm also not so sure anyone is going to quite break the bank for him the way its being talked about but then there is still a lot of basketball to be played.

[GoCeltics123]

Marcus Morris, from Jay King:

Morris did not know at the time exactly what would happen, he believed the Celtics needed to hit the reset button. Asked what he thought needed to change, he replied, “We all know.”

“I don’t really want to speak on that,” Morris said. “I mean, we all know. (Kyrie) is my guy, but they needed a fresh start. Everybody needed a fresh start. And they got it, man. The energy seems – being around them, just playing them that one game (Saturday), the energy seems to be a lot better.”

I know I'm probably the only one here that miss Marcus Morris. He was an underrated rebounder and a warrior. Good luck to him.

I was eh on bringing him back, but he's a good dude and made Ben Simmons look like a total **** in a playoff series, so I loved him .

[sam_I_am]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

no matter how good he plays, a guy who had that injury is unlikely to turn down that much cash. Even removing the fact he's playing for Brad and that's what he really wants to do.

Obviously there will be illegal collusion before he officially opts out and his agent will know what some team will offer. Why would you opt in for 1 year if you can opt out and get 4 years? Only reason is if he sucks this year. We already know he is opting out - barring another injury - because he is really good again.

[itrsteve]

Just checking in to see if people are still suggesting to trade Hayward.

They are. I think the concern is that he might leave after this season, especially if he's playing well. If he builds up his value by continuing to play well, he could be a good trade asset vs. the possibility of losing him for nothing a la Kyrie and Al.

They’re restricting his contract this summer. He’s here to finish what he started.

[Fencer reregistered]

History question -- when is the last time the Sixers made it to a later round of the postseason than the Celtics did?

(I know they looked more impressive in last year's second round than the Cs did, but that isn't my question.)

Obviously this happened in 2001, when they went to the Finals. But has it happened since?

[zoyathedestroya]

History question -- when is the last time the Sixers made it to a later round of the postseason than the Celtics did?

(I know they looked more impressive in last year's second round than the Cs did, but that isn't my question.)

Obviously this happened in 2001, when they went to the Finals. But has it happened since?

Good call. It hasn't.
Left column is Sixers; right is Celtics.

[Fencer reregistered]

History question -- when is the last time the Sixers made it to a later round of the postseason than the Celtics did?

(I know they looked more impressive in last year's second round than the Cs did, but that isn't my question.)

Obviously this happened in 2001, when they went to the Finals. But has it happened since?

Good call. It hasn't.
Left column is Sixers; right is Celtics.

So before last season, the last time the Sixers had ANY claim to have done better than the Cs in the playoffs was 2003. No wonder their fans are so giddy now.