PG: That was way too difficult

WindyCityBorn · Post #61 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:18 am

bearadonisdna wrote:Seriously did you guys watch the game. Lauri had a nice statline even though boylen played him at 5 wen he got injured.

He didn't get hurt. He got benched.

madvillian · Post #62 » by **madvillian** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:18 am

Stratmaster wrote:Hey, look at that. The Bulls are tied for the 6th seed.

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the thing is it's early AF. And it's kinda like MLB at this point half these mofo teams aren't even really trying. guaranteed money and all that via national tv deals and revenue sharing.

tonight wasn't any great performance but ffs at least be competitive and win around 35 games in a poor conference. hell with the new lotto rules a back end finish might result in a top 5 pick.

Dez · Post #63 » by **Dez** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:20 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:Seriously did you guys watch the game. Lauri had a nice statline even though boylen played him at 5 wen he got injured.

He didn't get hurt. He got benched.

He did get hurt which is why he went to the bench in the first place.

Alcatraz17 · Post #64 » by **Alcatraz17** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:24 am

madvillian wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Same issues, we just shot better and Detroit shot badly.

Lavine had another really bad game. Made some tough shots but man, his decision making continues to suck so far this season. I felt so good about his floor game based on the end of last season and he's just reverted back to dumb play again. Hit some big time bad shots though.

WCJ and Otto were our best 2 players by a country mile tonight. Those guys play both ends, play hard, play smart, and play efficiently. They're guys that contribute to winning basketball. We gotta get Wendell more involved offensively and I want to see him taking more 3's. He's looked amazing so far this season.

Thad was very good also.

And will echo the sentiment of everyone that I want to see Gafford play. I get it with Kornet but today was a bad matchup for him and he's not going to look good blitzing the PnR on defense and having to cover so much space. Needs to make 3's offensively to be helpful and he didn't tonight.

You have to wonder about the offseason habits of both lavine and lauri. they both, for very different reasons, don't seem to be training properly. You almost prefer a Carter Jr type who just slams the weights and training drills and needs a few weeks to get lathered up.

Lavine peaked half a month ago in preseason -- dumb. Lauri, well he appears to have taken some sort of sojourn this offseason and it wasn't to high level basketball training or weight lifting. Sure he needed to slim down a bit in the top but christ he is getting bodied so much more on drives.

He (Lauri) gave up red-meat to lower his carbon footprint. Not that an elite athlete needs red meat for adequate nutrition, but it makes me wonder if he has other practices in his diet that would effect his performance...even if at a minimal level. When you're talking professional athletes..minimal can be noticeable when the goal is optimal.

beeshma · Post #65 » by **beeshma** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:25 am

Stratmaster wrote:Hey, look at that. The Bulls are tied for the 6th seed.

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That is interesting that we're literally 1 win away from the 6th seed. I guess the sky isn't falling yet. It can't fall this early in the season.

madvillian · Post #66 » by **madvillian** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:27 am

Alcatraz17 wrote:
madvillian wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Same issues, we just shot better and Detroit shot badly.

Lavine had another really bad game. Made some tough shots but man, his decision making continues to suck so far this season. I felt so good about his floor game based on the end of last season and he's just reverted back to dumb play again. Hit some big time bad shots though.

WCJ and Otto were our best 2 players by a country mile tonight. Those guys play both ends, play hard, play smart, and play efficiently. They're guys that contribute to winning basketball. We gotta get Wendell more involved offensively and I want to see him taking more 3's. He's looked amazing so far this season.

Thad was very good also.

And will echo the sentiment of everyone that I want to see Gafford play. I get it with Kornet but today was a bad matchup for him and he's not going to look good blitzing the PnR on defense and having to cover so much space. Needs to make 3's offensively to be helpful and he didn't tonight.

You have to wonder about the offseason habits of both lavine and lauri. they both, for very different reasons, don't seem to be training properly. You almost prefer a Carter Jr type who just slams the weights and training drills and needs a few weeks to get lathered up.

Lavine peaked half a month ago in preseason -- dumb. Lauri, well he appears to have taken some sort of sojourn this offseason and it wasn't to high level basketball training or weight lifting. Sure he needed to slim down a bit in the top but christ he is getting bodied so much more on drives.

He (Lauri) gave up red-meat to lower his carbon footprint. Not that an elite athlete needs red meat for adequate nutrition, but it makes me wonder if he has other practices in his diet that would effect his performance...even if at a minimal level. When you're talking professional athletes..minimal can be noticeable when the goal is optimal.

the proof will be in the pudding! for better or worse. long way to go but so far meh.

PaKii94 · Post #67 » by **PaKii94** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:27 am

bearadonisdna wrote:Seriously did you guys watch the game. Lauri had a nice statline even though boylen played him at 5 wen he got injured.
Lauri cant play center , get over it. We've only known this from his rookie year.

Wait yeah I was very surprised to see Lauri hate in the tgame thread. He actually played a good game. I have said it multiple times again and again, HE IS NOT A RIM PROTECTOR. besides that, he didn't have a blow up game but he had a good positive impact this game. FFS he had 4 assists in 25 mins, a couple steals and he hit his 3s.

Hold That · Post #68 » by **Hold That** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:28 am

This game basically told me Sato got money we could’ve spent on D.Rose. We could really use someone who provides constant scoring pressure from the PG position next to Lavine. It opens up LaVines game that much more.

weneeda2guard · Post #69 » by **weneeda2guard** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:29 am

Pacers game up next maybe thad young revenge game , pacers are pretty bad right now, they will have us marked as the team to get a win on, we need to maintain these leads we building.

PaKii94 · Post #70 » by **PaKii94** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:30 am

I had an epiphany earlier in the game. Zach needs to be a pure scorer. Forget about distributing. He needs to have faith that the ball will make its way to him. He needs to think about the pass when the defense breaks down.

Also I don't like him just hanging around during the beginning of the game. He needs to be hustling to reach his spots and I'm sure the ball would reach him

AKfanatic · Post #71 » by **AKfanatic** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:32 am

It is still beyond comprehension to me how a guy with the length, shooting mechanics, and touch of Lauri Markkanen hasn’t developed a good one foot fade-away around the paint and a simple drop-step counter move to use when guys overplay they fade. Such moves would open up so much of his game and allow him to really take advantage of his natural skill set.....

Beyond that, Lauri seems completely lost on offense. Not to keep hammering away at the same point, but it really seems that his taking a backseat to Zach has destroyed his development as a player. His aggression level has near disappear since his rookie year of being the top option and he often seems confused as to where he needs to be when Zach is handing the ball. Lauri would benefit from getting less minutes with Lavine.

....Carter is showing a lot of what had many of us fans high on him as a pick. Kid is just smart and plays the game right. Hopefully he keeps this stretch of good play going, builds confidence, and really comes into his own.

It was nice to see Otto find his role tonight. His smart, if not spectacular play, is needed (along with Wendell) to balance out the low IQ ball the Bulls seem to get from the guys that are supposed to lead.

I still feel like Lauri has it in him to be really really good.... but it’s hard to see him reaching his potential when he’s dependent on guys that don’t playmake to get him the ball. Until Lavine picks up some of the passing he showed late last season, he’s a detriment to this teams hopes of any consistent offensive production.

I’d really like to see Boylen run some Coby, Otto, Lauri, Carter lineups....hell let Arch run point with that group if he really wants Coby off ball. Stop forcing Zach to be a playmaker or attempting to use him like Harden and force him to run off ball.

And play Gafford for crying out loud.

bearadonisdna · Post #72 » by **bearadonisdna** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:33 am

This was a good win but its an extremely flawed roster if zach has to play Sf and lauri has to play center.
Zach is past the development stage , he has paid his dues and i think its his time to shine at guard.

MrSparkle · Post #73 » by **MrSparkle** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:38 am

Boylen almost gave the game away.

If Thibs was the master of overplaying guys to ‘theoretically’ win all 48 minutes with his best defensive line-ups, Boylen seems to be the master of running his worst and most flawed defensive line-ups in consistent fashion.

If you step back and look at the Detroit active roster, it’s unbelievable that the game was close.

wonderboy2 · Post #74 » by **wonderboy2** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:47 am

mtron32 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Finally a win. But, goodness they made that way too difficult against a really depleted Piston teram. They tried hard to give it away at the end but the Pistons just didn't want to take it.

yeah, I can't stand seeing Zach play PG

I can’t stand seeing Sato play pg or defense. Dudes a liability out there.

wonderboy2 · Post #75 » by **wonderboy2** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:47 am

mtron32 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Finally a win. But, goodness they made that way too difficult against a really depleted Piston teram. They tried hard to give it away at the end but the Pistons just didn't want to take it.

yeah, I can't stand seeing Zach play PG

I can’t stand seeing Sato play pg or defense. Dudes a liability out there.

wonderboy2 · Post #76 » by **wonderboy2** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:51 am

Hold That wrote:This game basically told me Sato got money we could’ve spent on D.Rose. We could really use someone who provides constant scoring pressure from the PG position next to Lavine. It opens up LaVines game that much more.

I for the life of me can’t believe the bulls signed Sato over Rose. Rose is a difference maker and Sato is invisible out there most of the time. I hate players that are passive and low impact players.

WindyCityBorn · Post #77 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:55 am

wonderboy2 wrote:
Hold That wrote:This game basically told me Sato got money we could’ve spent on D.Rose. We could really use someone who provides constant scoring pressure from the PG position next to Lavine. It opens up LaVines game that much more.

I for the life of me can’t believe the bulls signed Sato over Rose. Rose is a difference maker and Sato is invisible out there most of the time. I hate players that are passive and low impact players.

Yeah I could not care less about how low Sato's turnovers are. It's easy to take care of the ball when you don't attempt to do anything. He sucks

aramada · Post #78 » by **aramada** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:03 am

I’m fine with a closing lineup of Sato-Lavine-Otto-Thad-Carter. It’s fairly balanced and Thad can space the floor right now.
Sato is really annoying though. He’s scared of taking any shot outside of the occasional open 3. His missing layups is so frustrating.

Hold That · Post #79 » by **Hold That** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:19 am

Not fine with Sato closing games. It puts way too much pressure on Lavine to make plays or score, often leads to costly turnovers.

WindyCityBorn · Post #80 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:33 am

Hold That wrote:Not fine with Sato closing games. It puts way too much pressure on Lavine to make plays or score, often leads to costly turnovers.

Coby needs to take that role if we are going to do anything this season. Sato plays scared at like 27 years old. I don't much changing for him. He is a career backup.