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LesGrossman wrote:As i said before, the biggest things he'll do for this team are not reflected in any of those numbers. Measure his contribution in one relevant stat: W/L.
spanishninja wrote:SunsLyf3 wrote:minami wrote:
Well it was him who said that. I distinguish the two Serbians.
And after visiting the Jazz forum they are (gladly) very happy for Ricky.
Nvm i just misread the post.
But yeah Ricky is playing at a very high level that if it carries over into the reg season we're in for a pleassnt surprise.
if he is this good during the season, I don't see it as a surprise as much as that we actually knew what we were doing by paying him.
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1. After prolonged point-guard instability, the Suns finally signed savvy distributor Ricky Rubio as a free agent. Besides team offensive rating and Rubio’s personal assist average, what are some advanced numbers that will help illustrate Rubio’s impact on the Suns’ entire offense? First of all, I think it’s important to acknowledge that Rubio has long graded out as an exceptional defensive point guard by a number of my preferred measures. In particular, Rubio excels at creating turnovers both in his individual steal numbers and more holistic floor time impact measures, and creating live ball turnovers almost always helps an offense.
Looking more specifically at the offensive side of the ball, Rubio’s positives and negatives are fairly well established at this point. He’s a reluctant scorer who has become borderline passable on catch and shoot 3s from an accuracy standpoint (34.6 percent over the last three seasons) while his low volume still means defenders help off of him a lot. He is also a very poor rim finisher against a contest, hitting only 50 percent of his shots from inside 10 feet with a defender within 4 feet of him.
On the other hand, he has typically helped his teams suppress their own turnover rates, and in his Minnesota days, appeared to have decently positive impact on team shooting and overall scoring efficiency. In Utah, best estimates place him as a slight drag offensively, but if you’re a Suns optimist you note that Phoenix will have far more shooting around Rubio than did the Jazz, perhaps better comping to his Wolves’ days where his weakness as a shooter wasn’t magnified by similar deficiencies across the lineup.
bwgood77 wrote:From The Athletic, as mentioned in the Season Speculation thread...1. After prolonged point-guard instability, the Suns finally signed savvy distributor Ricky Rubio as a free agent. Besides team offensive rating and Rubio’s personal assist average, what are some advanced numbers that will help illustrate Rubio’s impact on the Suns’ entire offense? First of all, I think it’s important to acknowledge that Rubio has long graded out as an exceptional defensive point guard by a number of my preferred measures. In particular, Rubio excels at creating turnovers both in his individual steal numbers and more holistic floor time impact measures, and creating live ball turnovers almost always helps an offense.
Looking more specifically at the offensive side of the ball, Rubio’s positives and negatives are fairly well established at this point. He’s a reluctant scorer who has become borderline passable on catch and shoot 3s from an accuracy standpoint (34.6 percent over the last three seasons) while his low volume still means defenders help off of him a lot. He is also a very poor rim finisher against a contest, hitting only 50 percent of his shots from inside 10 feet with a defender within 4 feet of him.
On the other hand, he has typically helped his teams suppress their own turnover rates, and in his Minnesota days, appeared to have decently positive impact on team shooting and overall scoring efficiency. In Utah, best estimates place him as a slight drag offensively, but if you’re a Suns optimist you note that Phoenix will have far more shooting around Rubio than did the Jazz, perhaps better comping to his Wolves’ days where his weakness as a shooter wasn’t magnified by similar deficiencies across the lineup.
sunsfever68 wrote:Ricky is going to help Mikal the most. Mikal needs a real pg the most of anyone. Booker and Oubre can get their own shots, they'll definitely benefit, but Mikal and Ayton will be the biggest winners from having a real point guard.
RiRuSuns wrote:I think Ricky misses Ayton the most on the team. He has no real target at the rim, no alleyoop outlet. Tonight he tried to lob to Baynes and it failed. His assist #s are suffering.
PharmD wrote:sunsfever68 wrote:Ricky is going to help Mikal the most. Mikal needs a real pg the most of anyone. Booker and Oubre can get their own shots, they'll definitely benefit, but Mikal and Ayton will be the biggest winners from having a real point guard.
I feel like those 2 have really good chemistry. Mikal is a really clever player and a great cutter. Like you said, Mikal benefits a lot from a smart PG that can find him on those cuts. And Ricky needs guys to make those types of cuts; if the ball gets stuck in his hands he's in trouble.
Bored with extra hour overnight at work so I made some Ricky gifs.
Great Mikal cut:Spoiler:
Reminds me of this terrific one from opening night:Spoiler:
I'd like to see the 2 of them play together more. But Ricky and Oubre are working great together in the open court! When the ball is at half court here or even at the arc are you picturing one more dribble and an Oubre dunk?Spoiler:
LesGrossman wrote:RiRuSuns wrote:I think Ricky misses Ayton the most on the team. He has no real target at the rim, no alleyoop outlet. Tonight he tried to lob to Baynes and it failed. His assist #s are suffering.
I think Oubre could be that target. He is fearless, i wonder how he got away with this style without severe injury.
Dual wrote:LesGrossman wrote:RiRuSuns wrote:I think Ricky misses Ayton the most on the team. He has no real target at the rim, no alleyoop outlet. Tonight he tried to lob to Baynes and it failed. His assist #s are suffering.
I think Oubre could be that target. He is fearless, i wonder how he got away with this style without severe injury.
Yeah but he dont do the pick, that's why Ayton is missed.
Dont be mistaken, Baynes is god.
But Ricky is suffering of not having Ayton the most that's for sure.
maybe horns set would work well, with Baynes AND Ayton, where Baynes pops and Ayton rolls hard.Booker and Oubre / Bridges for the 3 or backdoor cut behind the help. Old school Nash / Stoudemire / Marion / Barbosa like.
