Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Ernest]

I disagree with the notion that Wanamaker and Edwards are no good. They are pretty good for end of the bench guys. Wanamaker is a steady hand at the 1 spot. He does everything decent and doesn't screw things up. If there was an injury, I'd trust him over Edwards for now. Semi gives up pretty good defense. If he can ever start hitting 3s then his value would go up a lot.

[Steal by Bird]

Tristan Thompson could be really good for the Celtics, but no way you give up a core piece for him.

The Sabonis noise makes sense too, but now he signed an extension it would be much harder to match salaries.

The next time Thompson becomes available it may be around the vet minimum. In that case he would be a fine.

Sobonis just signed a team friendly deal considering he now the second best post in the east and will get better. He’s better right now than Hortford ever was. Indiana will want pick(s), as well as salary match.

However, keeping Sobonis and Turner just doesn’t work, the coach already basically admitted they can’t play together. Turner salary is pretty high(20) for his actual value, but is a good defender I think. They will have to trade one of them.

Whatever the case, the Celtics center situation as it is will equal a quick play off exit. If they are serious about competing during Window of the present core, the have to make a move for a center. It will cost assets, but what’s the point of assets if you are not willing to contend.

[La Flame]

Tristan Thompson could be really good for the Celtics, but no way you give up a core piece for him.

The Sabonis noise makes sense too, but now he signed an extension it would be much harder to match salaries.

The next time Thompson becomes available it may be around the vet minimum. In that case he would be a fine.

Sobonis just signed a team friendly deal considering he now the second best post in the east and will get better. He’s better right now than Hortford ever was. Indiana will want pick(s), as well as salary match.

However, keeping Sobonis and Turner just doesn’t work, the coach already basically admitted they can’t play together. Turner salary is pretty high(20) for his actual value, but is a good defender I think. They will have to trade one of them.

Whatever the case, the Celtics center situation as it is will equal a quick play off exit. If they are serious about competing during Window of the present core, the have to make a move for a center. It will cost assets, but what’s the point of assets if you are not willing to contend.

Lmao

[100proof]

Derozan and poirier to detroit(a pick from boston maybe)

Hayward and wannamaker to the spurs (a pick as well from boston)

Drummond, christian woods or thin maker and keldon johnson to Boston

Spurs replace demar with a player they are trying to make demar be.

Detroit adds coaches favorite player and a player who can play well off of rose and griffin.

Boston adds a legit bigman and young wing pieces.

Kemba/edwards/wannamaker
Brown/smart/struss
Tatum/johnson/semi
Gwilliams/theis/woods or maker
Drummond/kanter/rwilliams

[Curmudgeon]

Tristan Thompson could be really good for the Celtics, but no way you give up a core piece for him.

The Sabonis noise makes sense too, but now he signed an extension it would be much harder to match salaries.

The next time Thompson becomes available it may be around the vet minimum. In that case he would be a fine.

Sobonis just signed a team friendly deal considering he now the second best post in the east and will get better. He’s better right now than Hortford ever was. Indiana will want pick(s), as well as salary match.

However, keeping Sobonis and Turner just doesn’t work, the coach already basically admitted they can’t play together. Turner salary is pretty high(20) for his actual value, but is a good defender I think. They will have to trade one of them.

Whatever the case, the Celtics center situation as it is will equal a quick play off exit. If they are serious about competing during Window of the present core, the have to make a move for a center. It will cost assets, but what’s the point of assets if you are not willing to contend.

Lmao

Sabonis is better right now than Horford ever was on offense. On defense, not so much. But Sabonis' defense has improved and will continue to improve, while Horford's will decline with age.

[SmartWentCrazy]

TBH, Hayward is just holding the Jays back.
Jaylen and Jayson can both do what we want Hayward to do, and at a much better price tag.

Don't get me wrong. -- Hayward is definitely a good player.
Though likely, no longer the All-Star that we wanted. And definitely not worth his $32.7M salary.

Both the Jays are coming along as playmakers but they aren’t there with Hayward yet IMO. I’m also of the mind that you can never have enough shooting which Hayward is certainly providing right now. Also, Brown has to stay out of foul trouble. If he keeps picking up cheapies, then Hayward is definitely needed

Hayward is a proven talent. But, he's not getting any better though.
Singly, he's better than either Jayson or Jaylen. But, not both of them. Adn they're both improving.

This is where I’m at, too. I like Hayward but I’d absolutely deal him if it would nab us a long-term big man. The reality is that, for better or worse, the Jays are our core going forward. I personally think Smart can more than replace Haywards playmaking and that Smarts D is more important than Haywards shooting.

I’d look to see if we could deal Hayward for Turner later in the year. He’s an all-NBA caliber defender that provides great spacing. His chemistry with the FIBA guys would also greatly expedite the transition.

[Fencer reregistered]

We have five perimeter vets who can score. We have two or three rookie perimeter players who can hopefully eventually score, one of whom seemed ready to do so in the offseason. The only reasons anybody could, would or should doubt our perimeter scoring depth are probably a combination of:
-- There are four perimeter positions these days, not three, and hence up to 192 minutes to fill. To fill those minutes comfortably with scorers really takes six guys.
-- Obviously, guys get hurt from time to time, and for any given game not everybody will be available.
-- It's November 3, and none of those rookies has scored well yet in NBA games that count. It's time to give up hope for any of them and find replacements.
-- None of our big guys can or ever will be able to score. All scoring has to come from the perimeter.

We'll be completely fine, for example, if any two of the following things happen:
-- No more than one of the perimeter scorers is hurt at once.
-- At least one rookie guard scores well.
-- There's an offensively viable two-bigs pairing, where "bigs" includes anybody from Grant, Semi, Theis or the unarguable centers.

[Darth Celtic]

If we have to trade for someone, it becomes a lot harder. Look at someone like Drummond. I could see Det having a crappy record and deciding to blow it up. But even if they wanted to gift him to us, how do we make the money work? We don't have any dead weight to send out.

It's have to be Hayward, just in terms of salary. And if they're blowing it up, that means Hayward plus first rounders.
I'd pass.

I'd do it for 1 x 1st Rounder. Though, if they're taking our deadweight players and giving us an additional good player, then I'd give them 2 x 1st Rounders. Depends upon the personnel.

Keeping in mind, that Drummond could never finish a game. He sucks too much on Free throws.
Rovert Williams would have to be in at End of Games, over Drummond.

Not anymore. He went from 30% early in career, to 60% last 2 years, and is at 64% this year. He seems to be working really hard on it and made 3/4 at the end of the Nets games.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

[Joshyjess]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

I think I'd switch Kanter and Theis. Theis has proven to be a much better all-around player.

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

I'm all for trading Wanamaker, Green, Semi, Theis, Poirer combo with bucks pick for any servicable backup 4 or 5. Not sure who our target would be.

Wanamaker/Poireir/Semi Bucks pick to Kings for Bjelica?

Poirier and 2 2nd round picks for Willie Conley Stein?

Theis/Poirier Semi and the Bucks pick and 2 2nds to Wizards for Thomas Bryant?

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

I'm all for trading Wanamaker, Green, Semi, Theis, Poirer combo with bucks pick for any servicable backup 4 or 5. Not sure who our target would be.

Wanamaker/Poireir/Semi Bucks pick to Kings for Bjelica?

Poirier and 2 2nd round picks for Willie Conley Stein?

Theis/Poirier Semi and the Bucks pick and 2 2nds to Wizards for Thomas Bryant?

If you look around the league you notice a ton of NBA teams have the same issue as the Celtics. Not a lot of quality big men in the NBA anymore. The teams that have depth are going to be asking for a high price this trade deadline in my opinion

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

I'm all for trading Wanamaker, Green, Semi, Theis, Poirer combo with bucks pick for any servicable backup 4 or 5. Not sure who our target would be.

Wanamaker/Poireir/Semi Bucks pick to Kings for Bjelica?

Poirier and 2 2nd round picks for Willie Conley Stein?

Theis/Poirier Semi and the Bucks pick and 2 2nds to Wizards for Thomas Bryant?

If you look around the league you notice a ton of NBA teams have the same issue as the Celtics. Not a lot of quality big men in the NBA anymore. The teams that have depth are going to be asking for a high price this trade deadline in my opinion

that's just 3 ideas from 3 of the worst teams in the NBA right now. Warriors have no reason to try and win, and have no reason to keep WCS after this year as they won't be hard capped next year. Getting a few 2nds for much needed depth for a guy they basically signed to a min contract is worth it. Kings are playing terrilbe. First round pick for Bjelica would be good for them, but I'm afraid they will try and win still won't sell this year. Wizards. That's the hard one. Bryant is playing well, is 22, and is cost controlled for 3 years. I'm sure they hold too much value and will not be trading him.

[Parliament10]

Both the Jays are coming along as playmakers but they aren’t there with Hayward yet IMO. I’m also of the mind that you can never have enough shooting which Hayward is certainly providing right now. Also, Brown has to stay out of foul trouble. If he keeps picking up cheapies, then Hayward is definitely needed

Hayward is a proven talent. But, he's not getting any better though.
Singly, he's better than either Jayson or Jaylen. But, not both of them. Adn they're both improving.

This is where I’m at, too. I like Hayward but I’d absolutely deal him if it would nab us a long-term big man. The reality is that, for better or worse, the Jays are our core going forward. I personally think Smart can more than replace Haywards playmaking and that Smarts D is more important than Haywards shooting.

I’d look to see if we could deal Hayward for Turner later in the year. He’s an all-NBA caliber defender that provides great spacing. His chemistry with the FIBA guys would also greatly expedite the transition.

IDk if the Pacers would want to trade Myles Turner, though.
Might need to be a 3-Team trade also, to get the numbers to match up.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hayward is a proven talent. But, he's not getting any better though.
Singly, he's better than either Jayson or Jaylen. But, not both of them. Adn they're both improving.

This is where I’m at, too. I like Hayward but I’d absolutely deal him if it would nab us a long-term big man. The reality is that, for better or worse, the Jays are our core going forward. I personally think Smart can more than replace Haywards playmaking and that Smarts D is more important than Haywards shooting.

I’d look to see if we could deal Hayward for Turner later in the year. He’s an all-NBA caliber defender that provides great spacing. His chemistry with the FIBA guys would also greatly expedite the transition.

IDk if the Pacers would want to trade Myles Turner, though.
Might need to be a 3-Team trade also, to get the numbers to match up.

Two things would need to happen:

-Hayward keeps up this level of play
-Indy really kills it without Turner and decides they’re building around him

[Steal by Bird]

The next time Thompson becomes available it may be around the vet minimum. In that case he would be a fine.

Sobonis just signed a team friendly deal considering he now the second best post in the east and will get better. He’s better right now than Hortford ever was. Indiana will want pick(s), as well as salary match.

However, keeping Sobonis and Turner just doesn’t work, the coach already basically admitted they can’t play together. Turner salary is pretty high(20) for his actual value, but is a good defender I think. They will have to trade one of them.

Whatever the case, the Celtics center situation as it is will equal a quick play off exit. If they are serious about competing during Window of the present core, the have to make a move for a center. It will cost assets, but what’s the point of assets if you are not willing to contend.

Lmao

Sabonis is better right now than Horford ever was on offense. On defense, not so much. But Sabonis' defense has improved and will continue to improve, while Horford's will decline with age.

Sure a prime Hortford is a better defender that a young Sabonis. But comparing them at same same stage, 3rd year: Sabo 2.2 defensive +\- hortford 1.9.

Main concern is upgrading the post.

[Parliament10]

Ok. But what's the deal with Hayward? -- He could just opt-out after this season.
We gonna let another expensive guy go for free? IJA

Cause let's be honest. We don't need him. And definitely not past this year.
And, he could opt-in for $34.1M next year. It's just not good all around.

[Homerclease]

Ok. But what's the deal with Hayward? -- He could just opt-out after this season.
We gonna let another expensive guy go for free? IJA

Cause let's be honest. We don't need him. And definitely not past this year.
And, he could opt-in for $34.1M next year. It's just not good all around.

Maybe the Magic and Aaron Gordon? Dunno if Issac could play the 4 for them but it seems like Orlando could use Hayward’s offense

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can't see Hayward going anywhere... Maybe they can get Turner for some young guys and picks??

Theis 5m, Romeo 3.45m, Poirier 2.5m, G. Williams 2.38m, MEM pick, Bucks pick

[SmartWentCrazy]

Can't see Hayward going anywhere... Maybe they can get Turner for some young guys and picks??

Theis 5m, Romeo 3.45m, Poirier 2.5m, G. Williams 2.38m, MEM pick, Bucks pick

Theyre not going to trade a core piece if theyre not getting a guy who can also be one back.