The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[kio80]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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[eyeatoma]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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His offensive game is beyond frustrating. Apart form that 3 pointer against the Chinese team, he has looked exactly the same as last year. His defense has been fantastic, but he is a negative on offense as far as stalling it. If we hit our 3 pointers he's great. If not, we are litterally playing 4 on 5 on offense. I think fans are justified to think about alternatives where we're not always playing with a handicap. It's amazing we are 5-0 but we haven't looked like that on offense, and as good a defensive team as we are, the Clippers although not as good (that is yet to be seen once PG arrives) on D are much better on offense. That blend of offense and defense might be good enough to beat us, although we do match up well with them.

Either way, his value is still quite high, trading him for someone like Devin Booker would be ideal for me.

[kio80]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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His offensive game is beyond frustrating. Apart form that 3 pointer against the Chinese team, he has looked exactly the same as last year. His defense has been fantastic, but he is a negative on offense as far as stalling it. If we hit our 3 pointers he's great. If not, we are litterally playing 4 on 5 on offense. I think fans are justified to think about alternatives where we're not always playing with a handicap. It's amazing we are 5-0 but we haven't looked like that on offense, and as good a defensive team as we are, the Clippers although not as good (that is yet to be seen once PG arrives) on D are much better on offense. That blend of offense and defense might be good enough to beat us, although we do match up well with them.

Either way, his value is still quite high, trading him for someone like Devin Booker would be ideal for me.

And here we go again.... give the team more time to blend, get the chemistry going.
Honestly I like the team, i love the core and I like how each and everyone of them are representing the city.
If we win the championship, great, if we don’t, we have multiple years to gel and get better.
Show some loyalty and support to the players, stop biatching after every single game, give the guys some credit ffs.
Can’t believe how all you have to complain after a 5-0 start, show some appreciation.


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[eyeatoma]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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His offensive game is beyond frustrating. Apart form that 3 pointer against the Chinese team, he has looked exactly the same as last year. His defense has been fantastic, but he is a negative on offense as far as stalling it. If we hit our 3 pointers he's great. If not, we are litterally playing 4 on 5 on offense. I think fans are justified to think about alternatives where we're not always playing with a handicap. It's amazing we are 5-0 but we haven't looked like that on offense, and as good a defensive team as we are, the Clippers although not as good (that is yet to be seen once PG arrives) on D are much better on offense. That blend of offense and defense might be good enough to beat us, although we do match up well with them.

Either way, his value is still quite high, trading him for someone like Devin Booker would be ideal for me.

And here we go again.... give the team more time to blend, get the chemistry going.
Honestly I like the team, i love the core and I like how each and everyone of them are representing the city.
If we win the championship, great, if we don’t, we have multiple years to gel and get better.
Show some loyalty and support to the players, stop biatching after every single game, give the guys some credit ffs.
Can’t believe how all you have to complain after a 5-0 start, show some appreciation.


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So I'm supposed to be blindly loyal, when many like myself can see clearly, that this young man hasn't improved the one part of his game that would make him a superstar? We can be the broadstreet bullies during the whole season, but when the playoffs arrive he'll shrink just like the last two years, and we'll be left wondering why we didn't trade him when his value was still high.

What I just stated was my opinion, and as a fan, I'm allowed that. I'm not sure why people find it disloyal to criticize your own players as a fan. That is part of the game. We want our players to be the best versions of their selves. When they're not, fans get frustrated. Welcome to sports bruh!

[Ericb5]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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It’s a vocal minority. Simmons isn’t going to get traded because there is no one worth trading him for that is realistic. I’d trade him for Donic due to the fit with Embiid, but Dallas isn’t going to do that.

He will be great here.


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[eyeatoma]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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It’s a vocal minority. Simmons isn’t going to get traded because there is no one worth trading him for that is realistic. I’d trade him for Donic due to the fit with Embiid, but Dallas isn’t going to do that.

He will be great here.


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Would love Doncic! Or Trae Yong, or Devin Booker.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think it's okay that this guy was a finished product at 18 and hasn't gotten better at anything. His development trajectory is damn near completely horizontal. That's not acceptable.

[shlo]

I don't think it's okay that this guy was a finished product at 18 and hasn't gotten better at anything. His development trajectory is damn near completely horizontal. That's not acceptable.

Simmons is fool's gold. It took me a long time to realize it, but now it seems so obvious. He'll continue to pile up great stats in the regular season in opportunistic moments. He'll get dunks on fast breaks and wow us with fancy passes. But he'll also continue to commit stupid turnovers, miss layups, miss free throws, and let defenses collapse on Embiid. He'll be a liability in close playoff games. The Sixers won't trade him, but they should.

To be fair, I will credit him for his great defense. Heck of a defender.

[VDT]

I don't think it's okay that this guy was a finished product at 18 and hasn't gotten better at anything. His development trajectory is damn near completely horizontal. That's not acceptable.

He has improved, it's just that his scoring which is the thing that people notice and what would allow him to take his game to the next level has only marginally improved.

The problem with Simmons has always been that the things that he would need to improve were the things that he was very bad at. Shooting and to a lesser degree finishing through contact have improved a bit but he was so far below average the average ( particularly shooting) that any modest improvement would be inconsequential.

I had the hope that he would improve his finishing to become a Giannis lite but i havent seen much yet apart from the Celtics game. I am also not sure if the problem is his mentality or his physical limitations.

[Kobblehead]

He hasn't gotten better, bro. People that think he got better on defense never properly credited him for being a phenomenal defender at LSU. At 23, he's the same defender, passer, rebounder, transition player he was coming out of highschool. If anything, there have been slight regressions in his game since he got to the league (free throw percentages and free throw rate).

Even guys we thought were at their ceiling like old ass Malcolm Brodgon have been on a higher development trajectory than Ben.

[the_process]

Seriously, I have been on a few forums for a few different teams for a number of years, but damn, the 76ers fans are hard to please, already talking about trading their PG given a 5-0 start.
That’s why we can’t have nice things, we are ****!


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It’s a vocal minority. Simmons isn’t going to get traded because there is no one worth trading him for that is realistic. I’d trade him for Donic due to the fit with Embiid, but Dallas isn’t going to do that.

He will be great here.


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Would love Doncic! Or Trae Yong, or Devin Booker.

I think the last one is a realistic trade. Next summer. If the Sixers lose in the ECF’s. If the Sixers make the Finals this year I think they’ll just run it back.

[VDT]

He hasn't gotten better, bro. People that think he got better on defense never properly credited him for being a phenomenal defender at LSU. At 23, he's the same defender, passer, rebounder, transition player he was coming out of highschool. If anything, there have been slight regressions in his game since he got to the league (free throw percentages and free throw rate).

Even guys we thought were at their ceiling like old ass Malcolm Brodgon have been on a higher development trajectory than Ben.

His rebounding and court vision were already exceptional. His defense was already pretty good. Still in all these he has improved simply by being more experienced.

Offensively his fts are a bit better and his touch in the paint has improved a bit. The fact that he has kept his production even after he is scouted and defended accordingly is a proof that he has improved as a player.

Where you are right is that he hasn't had the improvement one expects from a young player.

As i said, as a rookie he was a player that was very good at some things and very bad at a couple other things. That's the reason that until now he hasn't had a marked improvement. It is hard to get much better in the things he is good at and he needs to get much better in the things he is bad at before you see a difference. That and the fact that he is scouted and is defended in the way he is defended. Still he is just in his third season.

[MambaJuice]

I'm disappointed in Ben's offense too but I'm not ready to move on. Not even close. Wake me when we drop two in a row at least.

[Sixerscan]

He hasn't gotten better, bro. People that think he got better on defense never properly credited him for being a phenomenal defender at LSU. At 23, he's the same defender, passer, rebounder, transition player he was coming out of highschool. If anything, there have been slight regressions in his game since he got to the league (free throw percentages and free throw rate).

Even guys we thought were at their ceiling like old ass Malcolm Brodgon have been on a higher development trajectory than Ben.

If Ben was on a mediocre team like Brogdon his numbers would be a lot better. Like brogdon didn’t suddenly get a lot better he’s just not on a very good team anymore. If he was put back on the Bucks his numbers would go down a lot.

And saying he hasn’t gotten better defensively since LSU seems based on some statistical quirk and not really on his play.

[agiaco]

It can be frustrating at times to see Ben being passive or not making quick enough leaps but the Sixers are lucky to have him. He made some big plays last night despite having what some would consider an off game. That steal and dunk in transition, the clutch free throws. There's definitely nobody in that draft I'd want over Simmons now.

[notericjr]

im not giving up on ben (yet) but he cant even hold himself accountable

what happened to "if im open, ill take it!"

hes been open at the beginning of almost every possession he's ever had since the opening game and we've gotten nothing.

i understand his thinking in that finding the open guy for 3 is the best option/outcome but how many times has our offense broken down in the halfcourt to the point where the ball ends up in ennis' or matisse's or korks (great game though) hands where they're forced to put up a contested 3 that obviously has little to no chance going in? I'd rather see ben takes those open 3s instead. is he really that bad of a shooter that a wide open 3/almost akin to being in an open gym from ben...is a lower percentage shot than a dribble step back contested 3 by kork?

[76ciology]

At some point we have to accept Ben for what he is. And this means putting him against PGs on defense and letting him attack smaller opponents at the post with 4 guys spacing the floor.

This means less post plays for Embiid when Ben is on the court.

Because the kind of game Ben plays against the Hawks and the Blazers can’t continue. Unless you want him to be invisible again during the playoffs.

[76ciology]

The way I see Ben is he is not naturally a shooter that he needs to go into “shooter mode” in order to shoot.

For a scorer, this should be a natural. This is why guys like Melo or Kobe dont pass the ball. It’s in their DNA to take the shot when open that they can’t distinguish if the opportunity is for a pass or for a shot. For Ben, he has to think whether to shoot it or pass. And we all know that you lose the battle whenever you overthink, just as poor freethrow shooters continue to be bad because they overthink it before shooting.

And if you want Ben to improve into a better scorer/shooter, you have to live with him having “Kris Dunn” type games where he’s going to shoot in the 30%FG% and cost you a game.

That is why Doncic and Ingram took a leap this season and Ben hasn’t. Mavs and Lakers were giving those two green lights to shoot at will. This allowed those two to develop into scorers.

[Mik317]

they aren't going to trade Ben or Embiid anytime soon...so its a waste of time to even try to discuss it lol.

Ben needs to shoot...normal jumpshots ASAP. However we are 5-0 and while its not great to watch it has not killed us yet...so he's not going to start chucking yet....

it is what it is

[PhillyPhilly]

I wonder if he's more focused on free throws rather than actually shooting jumpers right now? Maybe in his mind IF he can find a consistent stroke from the FT line, he will then be able to use it as a jumper moving forward? The two he hit late in Portland looked very decent and is a new form he developed over the summer so hopefully he continues to hit them and improves his average.

In closing Ben will do what he's able to get away with. If Brett isn't willing to put his foot down and demand some jumpers from Ben then Ben isn't likely to change imo.