2020 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

My thing with Ball is scoring wise in Lithuania he shot 73% from the line, 25% from 3 and 29% from 2. Now in Australia he is shooting 73% from the line, 19% from 3 and 44% from 2. I think that jumper is broken personally, I dont ever see him being a consistent jump shooter with his wanky form. But 44% inside the arc isn't great either, especially when you compare that to RJ who is shooting 54% inside the arc.

Im also curious on how his defense looks, because he has never been asked to be a defender and I dont think of him having great lateral agility either, so I dont see all that high of defensive potential from him either. I just have a hard time seeing a guy with such huge scoring/shooting question marks and defensive question marks going #1. And its not like he is a 6'10 great athlete like Ben Simmons was coming out of LSU.

he's just a worse version of Lonzo, definitely not the defensive player Lonzo is, not quite as strong or as fast as Zo either.

[Duke4life831]

My thing with Ball is scoring wise in Lithuania he shot 73% from the line, 25% from 3 and 29% from 2. Now in Australia he is shooting 73% from the line, 19% from 3 and 44% from 2. I think that jumper is broken personally, I dont ever see him being a consistent jump shooter with his wanky form. But 44% inside the arc isn't great either, especially when you compare that to RJ who is shooting 54% inside the arc.

Im also curious on how his defense looks, because he has never been asked to be a defender and I dont think of him having great lateral agility either, so I dont see all that high of defensive potential from him either. I just have a hard time seeing a guy with such huge scoring/shooting question marks and defensive question marks going #1. And its not like he is a 6'10 great athlete like Ben Simmons was coming out of LSU.

he's just a worse version of Lonzo, definitely not the defensive player Lonzo is, not quite as strong or as fast as Zo either.

Ya that is kind of how I see it as well. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he isn't even a draft prospect or anything like that. I just dont see how he is being talked about as the #1 overall pick. Here is a PG that cant shoot, cant defend and isn't a freak athlete. Not seeing how that translates to a #1 pick.

[clyde21]

My thing with Ball is scoring wise in Lithuania he shot 73% from the line, 25% from 3 and 29% from 2. Now in Australia he is shooting 73% from the line, 19% from 3 and 44% from 2. I think that jumper is broken personally, I dont ever see him being a consistent jump shooter with his wanky form. But 44% inside the arc isn't great either, especially when you compare that to RJ who is shooting 54% inside the arc.

Im also curious on how his defense looks, because he has never been asked to be a defender and I dont think of him having great lateral agility either, so I dont see all that high of defensive potential from him either. I just have a hard time seeing a guy with such huge scoring/shooting question marks and defensive question marks going #1. And its not like he is a 6'10 great athlete like Ben Simmons was coming out of LSU.

he's just a worse version of Lonzo, definitely not the defensive player Lonzo is, not quite as strong or as fast as Zo either.

Ya that is kind of how I see it as well. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he isn't even a draft prospect or anything like that. I just dont see how he is being talked about as the #1 overall pick. Here is a PG that cant shoot, cant defend and isn't a freak athlete. Not seeing how that translates to a #1 pick.

agreed, people see 6-6 and good passer but that means nothing if he can't defend, can't run the court and is not efficient enough on offense to cover for the other side

he's a decent prospect, top 15ish in this draft but top 1 or 3...not sure what Mike Schmitz is talking about here tbh. if his name was Mike Smith would this even be a convo?

[prime1time]

My thing with Ball is scoring wise in Lithuania he shot 73% from the line, 25% from 3 and 29% from 2. Now in Australia he is shooting 73% from the line, 19% from 3 and 44% from 2. I think that jumper is broken personally, I dont ever see him being a consistent jump shooter with his wanky form. But 44% inside the arc isn't great either, especially when you compare that to RJ who is shooting 54% inside the arc.

Im also curious on how his defense looks, because he has never been asked to be a defender and I dont think of him having great lateral agility either, so I dont see all that high of defensive potential from him either. I just have a hard time seeing a guy with such huge scoring/shooting question marks and defensive question marks going #1. And its not like he is a 6'10 great athlete like Ben Simmons was coming out of LSU.

Did you really just cite numbers from Lithuania? C'mon bro. The percentages are not good. But I'm still hoping the Wiz take him if we have a top pick. Easy to talk about players in a vacuum. What players should be locks to go ahead of him?

[prime1time]

he's just a worse version of Lonzo, definitely not the defensive player Lonzo is, not quite as strong or as fast as Zo either.

Ya that is kind of how I see it as well. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he isn't even a draft prospect or anything like that. I just dont see how he is being talked about as the #1 overall pick. Here is a PG that cant shoot, cant defend and isn't a freak athlete. Not seeing how that translates to a #1 pick.

agreed, people see 6-6 and good passer but that means nothing if he can't defend, can't run the court and is not efficient enough on offense to cover for the other side

he's a decent prospect, top 15ish in this draft but top 1 or 3...not sure what Mike Schmitz is talking about here tbh. if his name was Mike Smith would this even be a convo?

Yes top 5. Because Mike Schmit focuses on what Ball can do. While everyone on these boards focuses on what he can't do. First of all he's a great passer not a good passer. You have no evidence he can't defend. The notion that he doesn't run the court is also unfounded. And the efficiency while concerning should be put into context. He shoots and shoots a lot. Does his jumper need to be rebuilt? Probably. But if he was in the league right now he'd be a top 10 ball handler and a top 10 passer. If not top 5 in both categories. With a level of creativity to his game that is unparalleled any where else. If Ball was a great shooter he'd be a virtual lock to be a super star. That's why he's going to go in the top 5. Some team is going to look at him and try to figure out the jumper.

I know guys on this board don't understand, but there's no such thing as a lock. Every player when they come into the NBA needs work. Kawhi had problems. PG had problems. Bradley Beal had problems. Easy to tear a player a part in a vacuum. Give me 13 to 14 other guys that are clear cut better than Ball and I guarantee you that I can find flaws in their game just like you have with Ball.

[MVP1992]

You have no evidence he can't defend.

*Go watch any NBL game this season and there's the proof. He's lost. Sure he flirts around and gets the odd steal or deflection, but that's it. Basically playing 4 on 5

The notion that he doesn't run the court is also unfounded.

*Doesn't do bugger all in that department either. Passes it off. Stands around like a spare duck at a wedding hoping someone will pass it to him chuck another brick.


And the efficiency while concerning should be put into context. He shoots and shoots a lot. Does his jumper need to be rebuilt? Probably.

*He chucks like an under 10's kid who's too wimpy to reach the basket. Horrible form.


But if he was in the league right now he'd be a top 10 ball handler and a top 10 passer. If not top 5 in both categories. With a level of creativity to his game that is unparalleled any where else. If Ball was a great shooter he'd be a virtual lock to be a super star. That's why he's going to go in the top 5. Some team is going to look at him and try to figure out the jumper.


*Lavar is this you?

[prime1time]

You have no evidence he can't defend.

*Go watch any NBL game this season and there's the proof. He's lost. Sure he flirts around and gets the odd steal or deflection, but that's it. Basically playing 4 on 5

The notion that he doesn't run the court is also unfounded.

*Doesn't do bugger all in that department either. Passes it off. Stands around like a spare duck at a wedding hoping someone will pass it to him chuck another brick.


And the efficiency while concerning should be put into context. He shoots and shoots a lot. Does his jumper need to be rebuilt? Probably.

*He chucks like an under 10's kid who's too wimpy to reach the basket. Horrible form.


But if he was in the league right now he'd be a top 10 ball handler and a top 10 passer. If not top 5 in both categories. With a level of creativity to his game that is unparalleled any where else. If Ball was a great shooter he'd be a virtual lock to be a super star. That's why he's going to go in the top 5. Some team is going to look at him and try to figure out the jumper.


*Lavar is this you?

LOL, who's the crazy one. If all that is true, why did Mike Schmidt just say he's the most talented player in the draft? And all draft sites have him going in the top 5? No need for the ad hominem attacks because someone doesn't agree with your opinion. Unless you're are going to post time stamped videos that show a consistent pattern of what you're talking all you are is just talk.

[prime1time]

My thing with Ball is scoring wise in Lithuania he shot 73% from the line, 25% from 3 and 29% from 2. Now in Australia he is shooting 73% from the line, 19% from 3 and 44% from 2. I think that jumper is broken personally, I dont ever see him being a consistent jump shooter with his wanky form. But 44% inside the arc isn't great either, especially when you compare that to RJ who is shooting 54% inside the arc.

Im also curious on how his defense looks, because he has never been asked to be a defender and I dont think of him having great lateral agility either, so I dont see all that high of defensive potential from him either. I just have a hard time seeing a guy with such huge scoring/shooting question marks and defensive question marks going #1. And its not like he is a 6'10 great athlete like Ben Simmons was coming out of LSU.

he's just a worse version of Lonzo, definitely not the defensive player Lonzo is, not quite as strong or as fast as Zo either.

He's actually better than Lonzo. Better ball handler, better passer and arguably a better finisher. Lonzo is stronger right now, but I've seen no evidence to suggest that he's faster. Also, people on this board love to obsess about defense. Defense is context specific. The right team culture and anyone can play solid defense because defense is more about effort than skill. I've even seen guys like Nick Young and JR Smith play defense so the notion that an 18 year olds defense is going to be a legit reason not to draft a kid is silly.

Also, people love posting numbers. When is someone in this thread going to mention how lacking in talent Ball's team is? The guy's a pass first player on a team with no talent.

[clyde21]

i can tell these LaMelo discussions are gonna be annoying af tbh

[Marcus]

i can tell these LaMelo discussions are gonna be annoying af tbh

Once his season ends and the college season goes full swing you won't even notice. He doesn't have the Doncic following that could make the board unbearable. Just hang in there bud

[clyde21]

i can tell these LaMelo discussions are gonna be annoying af tbh

Once his season ends and the college season goes full swing you won't even notice. He doesn't have the Doncic following that could make the board unbearable. Just hang in there bud

haha the Doncic stuff was out of control! yea it won't be that bad.

[Marcus]

i can tell these LaMelo discussions are gonna be annoying af tbh

Once his season ends and the college season goes full swing you won't even notice. He doesn't have the Doncic following that could make the board unbearable. Just hang in there bud

haha the Doncic stuff was out of control! yea it won't be that bad.

Bruh!!! damn near shutdown a thread a day.

[clyde21]

i think EJ might work himself into the lotto at some point IMO, kind of a similar rise to PJ had, i like him.

[Marcus]

anybody tuning in Tuesday for collegiate shindiggery and if so who you looking for?

[Marcus]

i think EJ might work himself into the lotto at some point IMO, kind of a similar rise to PJ had, i like him.

what's the selling point for you?

[clyde21]

i think EJ might work himself into the lotto at some point IMO, kind of a similar rise to PJ had, i like him.

what's the selling point for you?

good baseline for a modern day 4, switchable, can hit an open 3, and even dribble drive some, decent ball skills

shot 48% for the year but if you take the last 15 or so games that went up to 53% once he got comfortable so I'm confident in the trend

[Marcus]

i think EJ might work himself into the lotto at some point IMO, kind of a similar rise to PJ had, i like him.

what's the selling point for you?

good baseline for a modern day 4, switchable, can hit an open 3, and even dribble drive some, decent ball skills

shot 48% for the year but if you take the last 15 or so games that went up to 53% once he got comfortable so I'm confident in the trend

you see any Bazley in him or is that lazy?

[clyde21]

what's the selling point for you?

good baseline for a modern day 4, switchable, can hit an open 3, and even dribble drive some, decent ball skills

shot 48% for the year but if you take the last 15 or so games that went up to 53% once he got comfortable so I'm confident in the trend

you see any Bazley in him or is that lazy?

ehh, I think Baz is more of a true wing, EJ more of combo forward that can play the 5 in small lineups possibly.

[Marcus]

good baseline for a modern day 4, switchable, can hit an open 3, and even dribble drive some, decent ball skills

shot 48% for the year but if you take the last 15 or so games that went up to 53% once he got comfortable so I'm confident in the trend

you see any Bazley in him or is that lazy?

ehh, I think Baz is more of a true wing, EJ more of combo forward that can play the 5 in small lineups possibly.

best pro prospect on that roster outside of Maxey?

[clyde21]

you see any Bazley in him or is that lazy?

ehh, I think Baz is more of a true wing, EJ more of combo forward that can play the 5 in small lineups possibly.

best pro prospect on that roster outside of Maxey?

yes at this point