Ricky Rubio appreciation thread

[bwgood77]

You may not like when somebody does that ("And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences"), but that doesn't remotely suggest that's what I was doing, and no fair minded person would think so either. I like rubio well enough as a player, but he has faults that bring his game down a couple notches- his shooting n finishing ability. Don't take it personal.

As far as the "First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal." If he could shoot more, he'd get more opportunities n take them. There'd be nothing wrong with that, hell Steve Nash was a playmaker supreme, but took many shots n would make defenses pay when he had the chance. that's just one example.

"instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand", this is just sillyness. Moving on.

No player is above criticism. The moment a player becomes above that in the eyes of a fan, it's no longer about basketball

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

Yeah, I've always loved what Ricky brings, but of course if he was a better shooter, he would be in the elite category. Doesn't mean he's not elite in other areas though and at the top when it comes to defense, passing, etc. I really like what Booker does too, but complaining about his D all the time (which has been at the bottom of the league....maybe similar to Rubio's shooting)...isn't worthwhile. I do mention though that he will need to improve his D to be considered overall elite, and probably to make all nba teams, etc.

[hollywood6964]

No player is above criticism. The moment a player becomes above that in the eyes of a fan, it's no longer about basketball

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

Yeah, I've always loved what Ricky brings, but of course if he was a better shooter, he would be in the elite category. Doesn't mean he's not elite in other areas though and at the top when it comes to defense, passing, etc. I really like what Booker does too, but complaining about his D all the time (which has been at the bottom of the league....maybe similar to Rubio's shooting)...isn't worthwhile. I do mention though that he will need to improve his D to be considered overall elite, and probably to make all nba teams, etc.

This is so silly. Nothing should "trigger" anybody about critiquing a players skills. Christ it's just basketball haha. And shouldn't judge their value? You must hate the profession of basketball, because players get paid and not off this "beauty" system you speak of, just their skills, which get valued before they get their contract.

You sound like the super-duper fan that is not to be reasoned with, so I won't, good luck to you my good man.

[NTB]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

[bwgood77]

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

Yeah, I've always loved what Ricky brings, but of course if he was a better shooter, he would be in the elite category. Doesn't mean he's not elite in other areas though and at the top when it comes to defense, passing, etc. I really like what Booker does too, but complaining about his D all the time (which has been at the bottom of the league....maybe similar to Rubio's shooting)...isn't worthwhile. I do mention though that he will need to improve his D to be considered overall elite, and probably to make all nba teams, etc.

This is so silly. Nothing should "trigger" anybody about critiquing a players skills. Christ it's just basketball haha. And shouldn't judge their value? You must hate the profession of basketball, because players get paid and not off this "beauty" system you speak of, just their skills, which get valued before they get their contract.

You sound like the super-duper fan that is not to be reasoned with, so I won't, good luck to you my good man.

Calm down man. A lot of people get triggered when I evaluate a player's weaknesses too. People just have different ways of showing their fandom. I am not sure you were responding to me, considering it was the previous post that said "trigger", but who really cares? Overdoing the complaining when they provide a lot of positives can be tiring, like if someone complained nonstop about LeBron's free throw shooting, Towns' defense, or Jokic's shot blocking.

[MathiasPW]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

[hollywood6964]

Yeah, I've always loved what Ricky brings, but of course if he was a better shooter, he would be in the elite category. Doesn't mean he's not elite in other areas though and at the top when it comes to defense, passing, etc. I really like what Booker does too, but complaining about his D all the time (which has been at the bottom of the league....maybe similar to Rubio's shooting)...isn't worthwhile. I do mention though that he will need to improve his D to be considered overall elite, and probably to make all nba teams, etc.

This is so silly. Nothing should "trigger" anybody about critiquing a players skills. Christ it's just basketball haha. And shouldn't judge their value? You must hate the profession of basketball, because players get paid and not off this "beauty" system you speak of, just their skills, which get valued before they get their contract.

You sound like the super-duper fan that is not to be reasoned with, so I won't, good luck to you my good man.

Calm down man. A lot of people get triggered when I evaluate a player's weaknesses too. People just have different ways of showing their fandom. I am not sure you were responding to me, considering it was the previous post that said "trigger", but who really cares? Overdoing the complaining when they provide a lot of positives can be tiring, like if someone complained nonstop about LeBron's free throw shooting, Towns' defense, or Jokic's shot blocking.

I wasn't responding to you.
And what would lead you to believe I wasn't calm.
Further, he has been responding to a post I made about Rubio's shot being worse than I thought with long diatribes similar to the last post. Not sure if you read them. If you wish to ask calm from someone- maybe sire Grossman should get the Ghandi routine (that's a joke).
Also this is the second time you've said something about excessive complaining, where was that? Sounds like you are saying I've been complaining about his bad shooting, season after season, day after day on this forum or something like that. Which if I was, oh well. But as a matter of point- I haven't. And also not that it matters, but my evaluation of Rubio has been fair in my view. If it hasn't, I'm more than willing to listen to retort that is reasonable.

Take all of this lightly in the end, you know I don't take a bunch of guys dribbling and throwing a ball at a hole very seriously. But I also don't take comments from people who get upset and insinuate insults based upon my opinions on such a matter very seriously either haha, so it's fine.

[Saberestar]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

That is a beautiful read.

[bwgood77]

This is so silly. Nothing should "trigger" anybody about critiquing a players skills. Christ it's just basketball haha. And shouldn't judge their value? You must hate the profession of basketball, because players get paid and not off this "beauty" system you speak of, just their skills, which get valued before they get their contract.

You sound like the super-duper fan that is not to be reasoned with, so I won't, good luck to you my good man.

Calm down man. A lot of people get triggered when I evaluate a player's weaknesses too. People just have different ways of showing their fandom. I am not sure you were responding to me, considering it was the previous post that said "trigger", but who really cares? Overdoing the complaining when they provide a lot of positives can be tiring, like if someone complained nonstop about LeBron's free throw shooting, Towns' defense, or Jokic's shot blocking.

I wasn't responding to you.
And what would lead you to believe I wasn't calm.
Further, he has been responding to a post I made about Rubio's shot being worse than I thought with long diatribes similar to the last post. Not sure if you read them. If you wish to ask calm from someone- maybe sire Grossman should get the Ghandi routine (that's a joke).
Also this is the second time you've said something about excessive complaining, where was that? Sounds like you are saying I've been complaining about his bad shooting, season after season, day after day on this forum or something like that. Which if I was, oh well. But as a matter of point- I haven't. And also not that it matters, but my evaluation of Rubio has been fair in my view. If it hasn't, I'm more than willing to listen to retort that is reasonable.

Take all of this lightly in the end, you know I don't take a bunch of guys dribbling and throwing a ball at a hole very seriously. But I also don't take people who get upset and insinuate insults based upon my opinions on such a matter very seriously either haha, so it's fine.

I was worried about his shooting too because I thought he would be left open, wouldn't spread the floor and that would allow Booker to be doubled. This is why he wasn't my top choice. However, I have always liked a lot of what he brought to teams. I personally would like to see him and Booker staggered (always have one on floor) and play maybe only half of their minutes together, because when Booker has the ball and his dribbling (hopefully that doesn't happen often), if Rubio is on the floor, defenders will likely cheat off of him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

That is a beautiful read.

It really was. Some good dudes on this team, we'll see how things go on the court but definitely an easy team to root for.

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[hollywood6964]

Calm down man. A lot of people get triggered when I evaluate a player's weaknesses too. People just have different ways of showing their fandom. I am not sure you were responding to me, considering it was the previous post that said "trigger", but who really cares? Overdoing the complaining when they provide a lot of positives can be tiring, like if someone complained nonstop about LeBron's free throw shooting, Towns' defense, or Jokic's shot blocking.

I wasn't responding to you.
And what would lead you to believe I wasn't calm.
Further, he has been responding to a post I made about Rubio's shot being worse than I thought with long diatribes similar to the last post. Not sure if you read them. If you wish to ask calm from someone- maybe sire Grossman should get the Ghandi routine (that's a joke).
Also this is the second time you've said something about excessive complaining, where was that? Sounds like you are saying I've been complaining about his bad shooting, season after season, day after day on this forum or something like that. Which if I was, oh well. But as a matter of point- I haven't. And also not that it matters, but my evaluation of Rubio has been fair in my view. If it hasn't, I'm more than willing to listen to retort that is reasonable.

Take all of this lightly in the end, you know I don't take a bunch of guys dribbling and throwing a ball at a hole very seriously. But I also don't take people who get upset and insinuate insults based upon my opinions on such a matter very seriously either haha, so it's fine.

I was worried about his shooting too because I thought he would be left open, wouldn't spread the floor and that would allow Booker to be doubled. This is why he wasn't my top choice. However, I have always liked a lot of what he brought to teams. I personally would like to see him and Booker staggered (always have one on floor) and play maybe only half of their minutes together, because when Booker has the ball and his dribbling (hopefully that doesn't happen often), if Rubio is on the floor, defenders will likely cheat off of him.

Yeah I agree. Only if Carter is having a good game do I think Williams should run more of a traditional lineup switching from starters to bench. There's some other variables, team being played, matchups, etc., but yeah.

Also I like Rubio for the most part, the shooting is glaring, but he's pretty decent overall. The sun's, as they were viewed coming into the season, probably couldn't do any better.

[bwgood77]

I wasn't responding to you.
And what would lead you to believe I wasn't calm.
Further, he has been responding to a post I made about Rubio's shot being worse than I thought with long diatribes similar to the last post. Not sure if you read them. If you wish to ask calm from someone- maybe sire Grossman should get the Ghandi routine (that's a joke).
Also this is the second time you've said something about excessive complaining, where was that? Sounds like you are saying I've been complaining about his bad shooting, season after season, day after day on this forum or something like that. Which if I was, oh well. But as a matter of point- I haven't. And also not that it matters, but my evaluation of Rubio has been fair in my view. If it hasn't, I'm more than willing to listen to retort that is reasonable.

Take all of this lightly in the end, you know I don't take a bunch of guys dribbling and throwing a ball at a hole very seriously. But I also don't take people who get upset and insinuate insults based upon my opinions on such a matter very seriously either haha, so it's fine.

I was worried about his shooting too because I thought he would be left open, wouldn't spread the floor and that would allow Booker to be doubled. This is why he wasn't my top choice. However, I have always liked a lot of what he brought to teams. I personally would like to see him and Booker staggered (always have one on floor) and play maybe only half of their minutes together, because when Booker has the ball and his dribbling (hopefully that doesn't happen often), if Rubio is on the floor, defenders will likely cheat off of him.

Yeah I agree. Only if Carter is having a good game do I think Williams should run more of a traditional lineup switching from starters to bench. There's some other variables, team being played, matchups, etc., but yeah.

Also I like Rubio for the most part, the shooting is glaring, but he's pretty decent overall. The sun's, as they were viewed coming into the season, probably couldn't do any better.

Seems like Booker and Jerome would play well in the backcourt, and maybe Rubio next to Bridges.

[hollywood6964]

I was worried about his shooting too because I thought he would be left open, wouldn't spread the floor and that would allow Booker to be doubled. This is why he wasn't my top choice. However, I have always liked a lot of what he brought to teams. I personally would like to see him and Booker staggered (always have one on floor) and play maybe only half of their minutes together, because when Booker has the ball and his dribbling (hopefully that doesn't happen often), if Rubio is on the floor, defenders will likely cheat off of him.

Yeah I agree. Only if Carter is having a good game do I think Williams should run more of a traditional lineup switching from starters to bench. There's some other variables, team being played, matchups, etc., but yeah.

Also I like Rubio for the most part, the shooting is glaring, but he's pretty decent overall. The sun's, as they were viewed coming into the season, probably couldn't do any better.

Seems like Booker and Jerome would play well in the backcourt, and maybe Rubio next to Bridges.

I don't know much about Jerome. I'd have to see him. Rubio n bridges look pretty good together though in limited minutes thus far. The D n bridges cutting off Rubio drives n probes has been very Stockton to hornaceck.

[Jorgeglez7]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

I've already known it but I fking cried anyway.

[Bogyo]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ricky-rubio-phoenix-suns-nba-foundation

I've already known it but I fking cried anyway.

Didn't know that. I was too weak to read, I'm a mama's boy as well, scared sh*tless what will happen when my mom is not around anymore.

[lilfishi22]

You may not like when somebody does that ("And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences"), but that doesn't remotely suggest that's what I was doing, and no fair minded person would think so either. I like rubio well enough as a player, but he has faults that bring his game down a couple notches- his shooting n finishing ability. Don't take it personal.

As far as the "First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal." If he could shoot more, he'd get more opportunities n take them. There'd be nothing wrong with that, hell Steve Nash was a playmaker supreme, but took many shots n would make defenses pay when he had the chance. that's just one example.

"instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand", this is just sillyness. Moving on.

No player is above criticism. The moment a player becomes above that in the eyes of a fan, it's no longer about basketball

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

That's the issue. What you're saying is your subjective opinion. Poor shooting might be a minor flaw when you consider the rest of his skill set but I can see why others (including myself) don't think of it as just a minor flaw. He's able to make up for the poor shooting somewhat by being above average to great in other categories but in today's NBA, a guard that can't shoot is almost as exploitable as a big that can't guard the PnR. There will be times when it's not an issue because he'll have a hot shooting night and on those nights he'll certainly look like a top 10 PG. But that's the reason why Rubio hasn't been a top PG in this league; those hot shooting nights are kind of few and far in between. He's a top passing PG and a solid leader which is exactly what we need right now but he's never made an all-star team, he's never made an all-NBA team, hell he's never even made a player of the week.

I don't think he'll be in the Suns way if we make playoffs this season but certainly if we are looking at higher than just a first or 2nd round exit in the near future, I do think he'll be a potential roadblock. Exploitable players become more exploitable in the playoffs.

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[Medall21]

No player is above criticism. The moment a player becomes above that in the eyes of a fan, it's no longer about basketball

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

That's the issue. What you're saying is your subjective opinion. Poor shooting might be a minor flaw when you consider the rest of his skill set but I can see why others (including myself) don't think of it as just a minor flaw. He's able to make up for the poor shooting somewhat by being above average to great in other categories but in today's NBA, a guard that can't shoot is almost as exploitable as a big that can't guard the PnR. There will be times when it's not an issue because he'll have a hot shooting night and on those nights he'll certainly look like a top 10 PG. But that's the reason why Rubio hasn't been a top PG in this league; those hot shooting nights are kind of few and far in between. He's a top passing PG and a solid leader which is exactly what we need right now but he's never made an all-star team, he's never made an all-NBA team, hell he's never even made a player of the week.

I don't think he'll be in the Suns way if we make playoffs this season but certainly if we are looking at higher than just a first or 2nd round exit in the near future, I do think he'll be a potential roadblock. Exploitable players become more exploitable in the playoffs.

I can understand your concerns but this is probably because you were not able to see him in last two Utah Jazz playoff runs or in National Team. He was arguably (subjective) the best player of his team increasing a lot his production (objective) from regular season both seasons and, for exemple, he completely outplayed Westbrook in the first one.

You must not be worried about him in playoffs, he will give Suns much better chance to win than other PG's who score 25 per night.

And btw after this night he's shooting threes at 40% XD

[lilfishi22]

Absolutely agree. WHat triggers me is not criticism per se but rather questioning the value of a player in general because of something i consider a minor flaw. I think many people have a pre-set idea of what a point guard should look like, be able to do, and so on, but the beauty of the game is that its not a computer game, guys show up with completely different and unexpected skill set and that is not a bad thing. LIke someone claimed Ricky would be in the suns way should they reach the playoffs, becuse he isnt a great 3pt shooter. That is so ignorant that i have a hard time leaving it uncommented.

That's the issue. What you're saying is your subjective opinion. Poor shooting might be a minor flaw when you consider the rest of his skill set but I can see why others (including myself) don't think of it as just a minor flaw. He's able to make up for the poor shooting somewhat by being above average to great in other categories but in today's NBA, a guard that can't shoot is almost as exploitable as a big that can't guard the PnR. There will be times when it's not an issue because he'll have a hot shooting night and on those nights he'll certainly look like a top 10 PG. But that's the reason why Rubio hasn't been a top PG in this league; those hot shooting nights are kind of few and far in between. He's a top passing PG and a solid leader which is exactly what we need right now but he's never made an all-star team, he's never made an all-NBA team, hell he's never even made a player of the week.

I don't think he'll be in the Suns way if we make playoffs this season but certainly if we are looking at higher than just a first or 2nd round exit in the near future, I do think he'll be a potential roadblock. Exploitable players become more exploitable in the playoffs.

I can understand your concerns but this is probably because you were not able to see him in last two Utah Jazz playoff runs or in National Team. He was arguably (subjective) the best player of his team increasing a lot his production (objective) from regular season both seasons and, for exemple, he completely outplayed Westbrook in the first one.

You must not be worried about him in playoffs, he will give Suns much better chance to win than other PG's who score 25 per night.

And btw after this night he's shooting threes at 40% XD

I watched the first round of the past two seasons of the Jazz. Just not consistent enough and they could've really used his shooting to open the floor up for Mitchell. Their failure is not all on him but he certainly could've helped if he could shoot. I watched the world cup too and he did impress me there

Yeah he had a good shooting night and if he was consistent, I wouldn't be worried at all. Do we think we win tonight if he didn't have a great shooting night?

[Note30]

That's the issue. What you're saying is your subjective opinion. Poor shooting might be a minor flaw when you consider the rest of his skill set but I can see why others (including myself) don't think of it as just a minor flaw. He's able to make up for the poor shooting somewhat by being above average to great in other categories but in today's NBA, a guard that can't shoot is almost as exploitable as a big that can't guard the PnR. There will be times when it's not an issue because he'll have a hot shooting night and on those nights he'll certainly look like a top 10 PG. But that's the reason why Rubio hasn't been a top PG in this league; those hot shooting nights are kind of few and far in between. He's a top passing PG and a solid leader which is exactly what we need right now but he's never made an all-star team, he's never made an all-NBA team, hell he's never even made a player of the week.

I don't think he'll be in the Suns way if we make playoffs this season but certainly if we are looking at higher than just a first or 2nd round exit in the near future, I do think he'll be a potential roadblock. Exploitable players become more exploitable in the playoffs.

I can understand your concerns but this is probably because you were not able to see him in last two Utah Jazz playoff runs or in National Team. He was arguably (subjective) the best player of his team increasing a lot his production (objective) from regular season both seasons and, for exemple, he completely outplayed Westbrook in the first one.

You must not be worried about him in playoffs, he will give Suns much better chance to win than other PG's who score 25 per night.

And btw after this night he's shooting threes at 40% XD

I watched the first round of the past two seasons of the Jazz. Just not consistent enough and they could've really used his shooting to open the floor up for Mitchell. Their failure is not all on him but he certainly could've helped if he could shoot. I watched the world cup too and he did impress me there

Yeah he had a good shooting night and if he was consistent, I wouldn't be worried at all. Do we think we win tonight if he didn't have a great shooting night?

Rubio fan here. No you don't if he doesn't shoot well. That being said, this is a team with two other all stars and good role players in Harris and Rich that you beat. I think he'll probably improve a bit more and be averaging about 13/8/41%/36% for the year. But his impact will be felt later in other ways. In the early 4th after that stupid turnover he made, which could have been solved with a cutter, he directed the offense, from that point, TJ scored 2 buckets, then Baynes, then the tieds turned Rubes scored 3 buckets and Dbook closed **** out. But its those in between moments that will get overlooked, but also where he will be the most helpful. Yes there are nights where you'll curse him for not shooting better, but he'll be improving the offense bit by bit. Love how Monty and him are gelling. Hopefully we see you in the playoffs! I'll be around now and then.

[BobbieL]

Great read by Rubio.

I usually don't listen to Doug and Wolf but today I had an appointment so listened. Doug is an idiot. He was talking about Rubio in MN and UT and he thought Booker was inspiring Rubio to play better defense. I mean, how stupid is that . He didn't think Rubio was more than Kendal Marshall. A good PG that passes is smart but nothing else. He said thats why Utah upgraded from him. Well they upgraded to a better player (though Conley is struggling) - but Rubio has been a good solid pro for many years. The shot is the shot.

Moral of the story - there is a reason I don't listen to Douglice and Wolf and its not Wolf or Calvisi.