Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[daoneandonly]

That's all i want to do, is stand up for someone, a baby, who does not have a voice. Who does not have a family member, i.e their own parents, who will just simply give them life. Why my wife and I adopted two children, and they are 2 of the best things that ever happened to us. All because their respective mothers decided to sacrifice 9 months of her life, due to an action of her own doing, and provide a child a chance to just simply live.

But you're basically the only one in this thread who isn't doing that. I am confused. You're the one trying to ban abortion which doesn't actually prevent them and the one who is steadfastly against actions that have proven to be effective in reducing abortions. You aren't actually trying to give a voice to anyone but yourself.

Banning abortions doesn't prevent them? That's not a fact, thats your opinion. Until it is in fact banned, you can't say that with such conviction. And another opinion is its working, 3000 abortions a day isnt my definition of working. 37% of pregnancies in our nation's capital ending in abortion, isnt working. Those numbers are painfully hight.

And abortion was only brought up because this unwarranted accusation and stigma that conservatives hate women when we were discussing katie hill, its just a farse

[daoneandonly]

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-leads-elizabeth-warren-double-support-latest-poll-harvard-caps-among-democrats-1469406

[I_Like_Dirt]

Banning abortions doesn't prevent them? That's not a fact, thats your opinion. Until it is in fact banned, you can't say that with such conviction. And another opinion is its working, 3000 abortions a day isnt my definition of working. 37% of pregnancies in our nation's capital ending in abortion, isnt working. Those numbers are painfully hight.

And abortion was only brought up because this unwarranted accusation and stigma that conservatives hate women when we were discussing katie hill, its just a farse

Abortion has been banned many times throughout the history of the world but you're waiting for yet another example to try and prove otherwise?

You're the one with an opinion that runs counter to facts who is proposing something that, to even have a chance of being effective, would be way more costly financially than simply supporting people.

What does the national capital have to do with anything? It's the center of careers, money and power. Are you surprised that abortion rates are high there?

But I didn't bring up abortion to rehash it again. You've been thankfully honest about preferring to punish women rather than prevent abortion. I just pointed it out because you brought it up and made the obvious example of, on one hand, where you were suggesting that absolute legal definitions in cases which you don't even have all the facts should be held to be the norm, while on another issue you were suggesting that we entirely ignore established legal definitions which suggests that you don't actually believe all that legal shield stuff you were saying but that you were using it selectively based on your own personal preference.

[daoneandonly]

Banning abortions doesn't prevent them? That's not a fact, thats your opinion. Until it is in fact banned, you can't say that with such conviction. And another opinion is its working, 3000 abortions a day isnt my definition of working. 37% of pregnancies in our nation's capital ending in abortion, isnt working. Those numbers are painfully hight.

And abortion was only brought up because this unwarranted accusation and stigma that conservatives hate women when we were discussing katie hill, its just a farse

Abortion has been banned many times throughout the history of the world but you're waiting for yet another example to try and prove otherwise?

You're the one with an opinion that runs counter to facts who is proposing something that, to even have a chance of being effective, would be way more costly financially than simply supporting people.

What does the national capital have to do with anything? It's the center of careers, money and power. Are you surprised that abortion rates are high there?

But I didn't bring up abortion to rehash it again. You've been thankfully honest about preferring to punish women rather than prevent abortion. I just pointed it out because you brought it up and made the obvious example of, on one hand, where you were suggesting that absolute legal definitions in cases which you don't even have all the facts should be held to be the norm, while on another issue you were suggesting that we entirely ignore established legal definitions which suggests that you don't actually believe all that legal shield stuff you were saying but that you were using it selectively based on your own personal preference.

No, its not about punishing anyone, that's another liberal talkign point.

Am I surprised? No because DC is one of the most liberal cities in the country, but you yourself constantly talk about how you favor it because women who cant afford to raise a child shouldn't be forced to. Yet you mention DC and money, so which is it? DC folks have money, you said it yourself

[daoneandonly]

Again we can stop rehashing it. Talk about the link I posted above, the poll numbers.

[dckingsfan]

Banning abortions doesn't prevent them? That's not a fact, thats your opinion. Until it is in fact banned, you can't say that with such conviction. And another opinion is its working, 3000 abortions a day isnt my definition of working. 37% of pregnancies in our nation's capital ending in abortion, isnt working. Those numbers are painfully hight.

And abortion was only brought up because this unwarranted accusation and stigma that conservatives hate women when we were discussing katie hill, its just a farse

Abortion has been banned many times throughout the history of the world but you're waiting for yet another example to try and prove otherwise?

You're the one with an opinion that runs counter to facts who is proposing something that, to even have a chance of being effective, would be way more costly financially than simply supporting people.

What does the national capital have to do with anything? It's the center of careers, money and power. Are you surprised that abortion rates are high there?

But I didn't bring up abortion to rehash it again. You've been thankfully honest about preferring to punish women rather than prevent abortion. I just pointed it out because you brought it up and made the obvious example of, on one hand, where you were suggesting that absolute legal definitions in cases which you don't even have all the facts should be held to be the norm, while on another issue you were suggesting that we entirely ignore established legal definitions which suggests that you don't actually believe all that legal shield stuff you were saying but that you were using it selectively based on your own personal preference.

No, its not about punishing anyone, that's another liberal talkign point.

Am I surprised? No because DC is one of the most liberal cities in the country, but you yourself constantly talk about how you favor it because women who cant afford to raise a child shouldn't be forced to. Yet you mention DC and money, so which is it? DC folks have money, you said it yourself

Jailing millions would be punishment. That is just a fact.

And it would be fiscally stupid. Just spending other peoples money and bankrupting state governments.

[daoneandonly]

We spend a lot of money on unnecessarily stupid things, what else is new? In this case at least, it can help spare a life. Not so much with these:

Proving That Frat Brothers Like to Party - The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism used a $5 million grant to fund a 2016 study at the National Institutes of Health on the reveling habits of college students. The study revealed what anyone who went to college could tell you for free: Members of fraternities and sororities drink more on average than the larger university population. This is especially true on days of big sporting events.

NASA Research on How Religious Groups Would Respond to Aliens - Your tax dollars helped NASA examine how the world’s religions might react when we make contact with extraterrestrial lifeforms. The Center of Theological Inquiry used a $1.1 million grant from the NASA Astrobiology Institute in 2016 to study potential reactions by religious leaders and populations to the hypothetical future discovery of life beyond Earth — and how it could influence their beliefs about the origins and meaning of life.

NASA Research on the Affect of Global Warming on Wine - In 2016, NASA participated in an $88,000 study that examined the effect of global warming on wine in France. Some of the best vintages in history have come out of France in recent years, and scientists believe there is a connection between increased temperatures and more robust, flavorful wines. The study combined modern data gathered by satellite imagery with historical data, like records kept by French monks who controlled vast vineyards near monasteries dating back to 1300.

Paying for Shady Doctors to Stay in Business - Through the Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP programs, the federal government paid $3 million to medical “professionals” who had been banned from public healthcare programs, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Some of these people committed fraud. Others performed unnecessary procedures to pad their invoices. At least 100 doctors were supposed to be removed for reasons relating to criminal charges, but they kept practicing — and collecting your tax dollars.

Vacant Buildings ($175,000,000) - Not building vacant buildings, maintaining them. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs spent this money to maintain hundreds of buildings that have been vacant for years.

European Legislators ($2,600,000) - In 2011, the U.S. spent these millions on “parliamentary strengthening” in Eastern Europe. That basically means we taught them how to balance and follow a budget

Neon Light Museum ($1,800,000) - Our tax dollars hard at work. Almost $2 million went to create a museum of neon lights in Las Vegas, NV.

Pancakes ($765,828) - These funds went to subsidize an IHOP in an apparently “under-served” area of Washington DC.

And so on and so forth:

https://moneyminiblog.com/lists/stupidest-things-u-s-government-spends-money-on/
https://www.gobankingrates.com/taxes/tax-laws/shocking-things-taxes-pay-for/

Not even mentioning the biggest one of them all, Planned Parenthood

[montestewart]

Or perhaps someone who doesn't even live in this country, yet feels the need to contribute his irrelvant 1 cent is a little bit closer to trolling

Without respect to any particular posts, I welcome and appreciate posts from people who live outside the US, including expats, US citizens/residents who were born in other countries, and US citizens who have lived abroad.

At least since WWII, the US has had a powerful influence on the rest of the world. Growing up in the Washington areas, with exposure to military families, diplomatic families, embassy families, and especially immigrant families (Nigerian, Iranian, Ethiopian, Haitian, South and Central American, Korean, Chinese) gave me exposure to issues and viewpoints that the press hardly or incompletely covered.

I recall a study group in college, when I casually mentioned the corruption in this country, and my fellow students (Indian, Turkish, Sudanese respectively) informed me that I was naive to believe that rank and file corruption in the US in any way compared to that in their own countries. True or not, it is one thing to read that about another country, quite another to hear it from a native of a country.

It generally is more productive to address viewpoints than to question poster credibility. People who live in countries that have universal health coverage, for example, probably have a lot of relevant information to offer regarding US healthcare. People who live in the Middle East no doubt have relevant comments regarding US foreign policy. Why live in a bubble and shut these comments out?

[daoneandonly]

Or perhaps someone who doesn't even live in this country, yet feels the need to contribute his irrelvant 1 cent is a little bit closer to trolling

Without respect to any particular posts, I welcome and appreciate posts from people who live outside the US, including expats, US citizens/residents who were born in other countries, and US citizens who have lived abroad.

At least since WWII, the US has had a powerful influence on the rest of the world. Growing up in the Washington areas, with exposure to military families, diplomatic families, embassy families, and especially immigrant families (Nigerian, Iranian, Ethiopian, Haitian, South and Central American, Korean, Chinese) gave me exposure to issues and viewpoints that the press hardly or incompletely covered.

I recall a study group in college, when I casually mentioned the corruption in this country, and my fellow students (Indian, Turkish, Sudanese respectively) informed me that I was naive to believe that rank and file corruption in the US in any way compared to that in their own countries. True or not, it is one thing to read that about another country, quite another to hear it from a native of a country.

It generally is more productive to address viewpoints than to question poster credibility. People who live in countries that have universal health coverage, for example, probably have a lot of relevant information to offer regarding US healthcare. People who live in the Middle East no doubt have relevant comments regarding US foreign policy. Why live in a bubble and shut these comments out?

Touche, I hear you

[montestewart]

Hey Da1, don't forget the president's endless taxpayer subsidized golf junkets to promote and subsidize his own for-profit properties.

[daoneandonly]

Yes, add that to the list monte, you wont hear any complaints from me

[dobrojim]

Again we can stop rehashing it. Talk about the link I posted above, the poll numbers.

I suggest you request that you have a monitor suspend your posting privileges
every time you bring it up. I suggest this because you have previously said
you would not talk about it in the future and then later, you talk about it.
It's like the serial killer in the b movie murder, stop me b efore I kill again.
You don't want to (or say you don't) talk about it, but can't help yourself.
And you talk about it when no one else brings it up. You believe libs policy
choice on that single issue proves everything bad anyone has ever said about
libs. There is no grey, only black and white, right and wrong.

[daoneandonly]

Again we can stop rehashing it. Talk about the link I posted above, the poll numbers.

I suggest you request that you have a monitor suspend your posting privileges
every time you bring it up. I suggest this because you have previously said
you would not talk about it in the future and then later, you talk about it.
It's like the serial killer in the b movie murder, stop me b efore I kill again.
You don't want to (or say you don't) talk about it, but can't help yourself.
And you talk about it when no one else brings it up. You believe libs policy
choice on that single issue proves everything bad anyone has ever said about
libs. There is no grey, only black and white, right and wrong.

Sure, you have the right to feel as such dob, have a blessed day!

[dobrojim]

And millions of other people also have a right to believe that having an abortion
is not 'killing a baby'. Believing a fetus is morally, ethically and legally the same
as killing a living breathing person is essentially a religious belief, one which
requires no proof beyond this is what I believe. You will never force everyone
else to adhere to your particular religious beliefs. And thank goodness for that.

[daoneandonly]

And you're back to talking about it, not me. Believing that is no more a religious belief than helping the poor, "to whom much is given" which you also feel the need to enforce on others. At least in one case, the result isn't death

I as a US citizen has a right to say hey, I should pay the same % of my income to taxes as dob does, as gtn does, as dck does, as dirt does. No one person should have to pay more percentage wise just because someone a long time ago deemed it "fair"

[dobrojim]

You've shown you true stripes too often to take seriously as far as having an objectively moral,
ethical view on anything. You're willing to overlook any shortcoming in any area, except one.
And even then you've shown that you really don't believe what you say you believe.

[daoneandonly]

And so have you, so we cna be done with each other

I brought it up again only to highlight

1. Hypocrisies with those that use science on this argument, but ignore it in other issues
2. Thinking that Hill got her comeuppance, like abortion, means we hate or want to control women and believe in double standards, newsflash, most of us dont. Most of us are married to women, and many are blessed to be raising what will soon be women when they reach that age.

So yeah, enough with all the deflections

[Pointgod]

And so have you, so we cna be done with each other

I brought it up again only to highlight

1. Hypocrisies with those that use science on this argument, but ignore it in other issues
2. Thinking that Hill got her comeuppance, like abortion, means we hate or want to control women and believe in double standards, newsflash, most of us dont. Most of us are married to women, and many are blessed to be raising what will soon be women when they reach that age.

So yeah, enough with all the deflections

Serious question for you. Is the only reason that you vote for Trump is because he puts Conservative judges on the Supreme Court which would lead to making it harder for women to seek legal abortions? Like we know that Trump doesn’t give a **** about abortions and I’m sure he’s funded more than his fare share. He’s also a rapist and goes against every Christian value, so seriously are you just a one issue voter on abortion? If Hillary Clinton was anti choice would you vote for her?

[pancakes3]

just catching up. what a marvelous salon of intriguing and contemplative opinions! algonquin roundtable reborn, exactly a century after their inaugural lunch.

men can't be misogynists if they're married to women! fantastic!

[Wizardspride]

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