Boxing Thread 4.0

[Papi_swav]

Very tactical fight, neither guy wanted to give an inch so to speak which made for not the greatest viewing. The cards at the time of the stoppage were solid IMO...it felt like a tense, close fight. Kovalev boxed him solidly but once Canelo really opened up, it seemed to be a fight that truly favored him. Fantastic knockout as well.

Despite the KO, Canelo did look pretty small for LHW, so I expect him to move down to SMW. Reading stuff post-fight about questions surrounding him going back to middleweight, Canelo seemed to suggest that he is done at 160 or at least didn't like the idea of moving down immediately ala Roy Jones from HW to LHW in his next fight.

But this fight didn't come on until 1:15 AM eastern time.

The wait for this was just ridiculously long. They wanted to do this after UFC 244 finished, I know it's valid to point that there are a lot of fans that do like both UFC and Boxing, and it's nice that they can see both main events live. I want to say HBO and SHO have done this with PPV's regarding certain other sporting events, but not to this extent. UFC events are known to end pretty late, but I think it was some sort of power-play by DAZN to say that they had the big event of combat sports for this night so they wanted to go last. It'll be interesting to see how it's handled in the future but fans who don't watch UFC were not pleased to say the least.

Ok it makes sense, but yea that wait was ridiculous. I was so bored, I'm not a huge UFC fan but I don't mind watching the fights. Interested to see what happens in the future as well. Maybe put another fight pre main event.

To your first statement, honestly I think Canelo is avoiding those guys at 160. It use to be just GGG knocking everybody out but that division has came up recently, there is an abundance of contenders in that 160 division. I would like to see Canelo fight Charlo or Andrade. But I think he's taking the Mayweather blueprint. He's being very careful in who he fights because he doesn't want to lose. So he'll fight a guy past his prime but still has a big enough name that people know. Kovalev fought smart but his better days are way behind him.

If he fights GGG then it would be a shame. GGG is clearly way past his prime too and he already beat GGG the 2nd time convincingly, even though he definitely lost the 1st one. But I agree, I think it will be GGG. It will definitely sell out and everybody will make their money including DAZN.

Charlo, Derevyanchenko, Andrade, Eubannk Jr., Benavidez, Billy Joe Sanders, Hurd, Munguia are all top competitors that I would like to see him fight.

[cowboyronnie]

Lol these commentators are the worst. Im 10 rds in. I have Kovalev all 9 rds so far.

[Papi_swav]

Lol these commentators are the worst. Im 10 rds in. I have Kovalev all 9 rds so far.

Na there's no way cowboy, Kovalev was just jabbing him and keeping his distance, it looked more like he's trying to survive. Canelo was bringing the fight to him. Kovalev fought smart but Canelo as trying to time him the whole fight, he knew Kovalev chin is weak.

[cowboyronnie]

He didn't just move up, he moved up to face a guy w the touch of death. He was as relaxed with Kovalev's power as one could possibly be.

Charlo, Derevyanchenko, Andrade, Eubannk Jr., Benavidez, Billy Joe Sanders, Hurd, Munguia are all top competitors that I would like to see him fight.

Come on, man. Eubanks and Hurd?? Charlo and BJS (168), sure. Canelo v Billy Joe best fight in boxing. But Derevy has like 16 fights and is 35 yo or something. No one's crying for him to get a shot at the best boxer of this generation.

[Papi_swav]

He didn't just move up, he moved up to face a guy w the touch of death. He was as relaxed with Kovalev's power as one could possibly be.

Charlo, Derevyanchenko, Andrade, Eubannk Jr., Benavidez, Billy Joe Sanders, Hurd, Munguia are all top competitors that I would like to see him fight.

Come on, man. Eubanks and Hurd?? Charlo and BJS (168), sure. Canelo v Billy Joe best fight in boxing. But Derevy has like 16 fights and is 35 yo or something. No one's crying for him to get a shot at the best boxer of this generation.

Hurd is moving up to 160. That's the thing, Canelo will not fight all these guys, he won't fight the guys that he should. He'll fight guys with big names that's out of their prime or someone who just lost or got exposed in the previous fight. He's following the Mayweather blueprint. I expect him to fight GGG for the 3rd time now. "Best boxer of this generation" ? I mean I guess, I still won't forget that steroid meat. Or the fact that he got gifted like 4 wins he should of clearly lost. So I still have Loma and Spence ahead of him.

[cowboyronnie]

To compare him to Mayweather is ridiculous. Just because you're judicious doesn't mean you're putting together the string of nonsense fights that Mayweather did. There's a range. Kovalev looked fit and well, he has 15 pounds on Canelo, and litr'ally murder in his hands. When the **** did Mayweather ever take on someone like that?
Do you forget that Canelo just took on Daniel Jacobs?

[Butch718]

Canelo is fighter of the year IMO, and this is coming from someone that thought GGG was robbed in both fights, and has been a vocal critic of him the past couple of years.

[Butch718]

I wonder if he would push himself to fight Beterbiev.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

To compare him to Mayweather is ridiculous. Just because you're judicious doesn't mean you're putting together the string of nonsense fights that Mayweather did. There's a range. Kovalev looked fit and well, he has 15 pounds on Canelo, and litr'ally murder in his hands. When the **** did Mayweather ever take on someone like that?
Do you forget that Canelo just took on Daniel Jacobs?

Canelo beat Jacobs after GGG already beat him, yeah Jacobs had a few fights after but he was already established as a tier below GGG and Canelo. The approach he's using right now is directly from the Mayweather playbook, he waited for GGG to get old before the first fight, he fought the big names like Cotto, Chavez and Khan even though they had nothing for him rather than fighting GGG at his peak, he beat an overmatched Liam Smith & Rocky Fielding. Going after Kovalev was a brilliant move and is a great win but at the same time it's almost exactly what Mayweather did going after Oscar who was a weight class above him but past his prime. The weight is what made it a dangerous fight, same way the weight is what made the Kovalev fight dangerous. Kovalev's only chance was a one punch KO, he almost got knocked out by Anthony Yarde in their last fight and Yarde isn't half the boxer Canelo is.

You can give Canelo his respect and not take anything away from him, but he learned a lot from Mayweather inside and outside of the ring.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I wonder if he would push himself to fight Beterbiev.

Nah, they would go after Bivol before they try to fight Beterbiev, or they'd wait a few years until age catches up with him. Bivol said he'll come down to 168 to fight Canelo.

[cowboyronnie]

To compare him to Mayweather is ridiculous. Just because you're judicious doesn't mean you're putting together the string of nonsense fights that Mayweather did. There's a range. Kovalev looked fit and well, he has 15 pounds on Canelo, and litr'ally murder in his hands. When the **** did Mayweather ever take on someone like that?
Do you forget that Canelo just took on Daniel Jacobs?

Canelo beat Jacobs after GGG already beat him, yeah Jacobs had a few fights after but he was already established as a tier below GGG and Canelo. The approach he's using right now is directly from the Mayweather playbook, he waited for GGG to get old before the first fight, he fought the big names like Cotto, Chavez and Khan even though they had nothing for him rather than fighting GGG at his peak, he beat an overmatched Liam Smith & Rocky Fielding. Going after Kovalev was a brilliant move and is a great win but at the same time it's almost exactly what Mayweather did going after Oscar who was a weight class above him but past his prime. The weight is what made it a dangerous fight, same way the weight is what made the Kovalev fight dangerous. Kovalev's only chance was a one punch KO, he almost got knocked out by Anthony Yarde in their last fight and Yarde isn't half the boxer Canelo is.

You can give Canelo his respect and not take anything away from him, but he learned a lot from Mayweather inside and outside of the ring.

GGG beat Jacobs, sorta. On paper. But that was a close fight and GGG got exposed. That's exactly the guy people like Mayweather duck. Canelo can't lose to a guy GGG beat, a guy who switches stances and exposes superstarts.

Jacob was a legit contender, everyone was impressed that Canelo took the fight. This is documented. It was as competitive as any fight he could possibly take and against a guy who exposed Canelo's biggest rival.

Yes, Kovalev's only chance was a KO. Conveniently, he's KOd 29 of 34 wins and is considered one his generation's best punchers. Dude's KOd half a dozen guys with lead lefts. And Canelo destroyed him like Mayweather has destroyed maybe one or two fighter (Corrales).

[Papi_swav]

To compare him to Mayweather is ridiculous. Just because you're judicious doesn't mean you're putting together the string of nonsense fights that Mayweather did. There's a range. Kovalev looked fit and well, he has 15 pounds on Canelo, and litr'ally murder in his hands. When the **** did Mayweather ever take on someone like that?
Do you forget that Canelo just took on Daniel Jacobs?

Mayweather fought a tough Miguel Cotto.. Cotto was a little out of his prime but he was still dangerous and he stood toe to toe with him. Floyd fought a tough Maidana. Corrales was a big name and undefeated when he fought Floyd. Jose Luis Castillo gave Mayweather a tough fight which is why he gave him a rematch, alot of people even think Floyd lost the first fight, me included. Victor Ortiz was a legit contender at the time. Ricky Hatton, Gatti, De La Hoya, Mosley, Juan Marquez, Zab Judah are some pretty big names, but he fought all those guys a little after their prime or after they got exposed. The exact same thing Canelo is doing right now. Canelo is taking the same route he did, I don't see how u can't see that. Canelo would of NEVER fought Kovalev pre-Ward fights or fought GGG 4-5 years ago when he was knocking everybody out. He fought GGG after he got exposed by Jacobs. And I highly doubt he fights Charlo until he losses or gets exposed. The same with all the other guys I mentioned. Yes Canelo is great but he's being very very careful and being strategical on every fight.

[cowboyronnie]

He only fought GGG after he got exposed by Jacobs. He only fought Jacobs after he lost to GGG.

I think there might be a flaw in your argument.

[Butch718]

Donaire/Inoue later today I think.

Donaire has a puncher's chance. That left hook is still money. That being said I expect Inoue to knock him out in the mid to later rounds.

[GS Warriors 1]

Inoue/Donaire is Thursday morning, I think broadcast starts at 4a/7a.

[Butch718]

Wow, that’s easily FOTY for me. Donaire gave him a hell of a fight. Don’t know how he got up from that liver shot.

Cue to the incoming “Inoue got exposed” takes.

[Rich Rane]

Wow, that’s easily FOTY for me. Donaire gave him a hell of a fight. Don’t know how he got up from that liver shot.

Cue to the incoming “Inoue got exposed” takes.

Donaire was game and tested the hell lot of him, but as expected, Inoue pulled it out. It was exactly the type of fight Inoue needed. Not sure how Donaire got up from that body shot and then to stun Inoue as well. ROTY candidate for that 11th.

[Butch718]

Inoue just signed with Top Rank. That's a huge get for them. He's going to be featured prominently on ESPN(not ESPN plus).

[Butch718]

Wow, that’s easily FOTY for me. Donaire gave him a hell of a fight. Don’t know how he got up from that liver shot.

Cue to the incoming “Inoue got exposed” takes.

Donaire was game and tested the hell lot of him, but as expected, Inoue pulled it out. It was exactly the type of fight Inoue needed. Not sure how Donaire got up from that body shot and then to stun Inoue as well. ROTY candidate for that 11th.

The difference between Donaire and all the other fighters that Inoue beat that crap out of was that Donaire didn't come into the fight afraid. He decided to take the fight to Inoue, and said "**** it." I have nothing but respect for Nonito. Only 100% clean fighter in the sport. He did VADA 365 a year, when no one else was doing it.

[Rich Rane]

Inoue just signed with Top Rank. That's a huge get for them. He's going to be featured prominently on ESPN(not ESPN plus).

Thank he'll be fighting more stateside too. More people here need to see him at a more convenient time.

The difference between Donaire and all the other fighters that Inoue beat that crap out of was that Donaire didn't come into the fight afraid. He decided to take the fight to Inoue, and said "**** it." I have nothing but respect for Nonito. Only 100% clean fighter in the sport. He did VADA 365 a year, when no one else was doing it.

Been a fan of Donaire since that first KO of Darchinyan. Thought we saw the mountain he'd never climb against Rigondeaux. Right after, saw noticeable decline in the second Darchinyan fight. Thought he should've started to think about retiring after Walters. Through it all, the guy was always willing to throw and leave it all in the ring.